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scuba@uaimail.com.br
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:02 am    Post subject: Piper Arrow vs Cessna 182 Reply with quote



I would like to know the advantages and disadvantages of these
aircraft. They have aproximately the same performance with a
significant difference in the fuel consumption. What about maintenance
cost? Please post your comments.



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Jay Honeck
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:08 am    Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow vs Cessna 182 Reply with quote



Useful load of an Arrow is no where near that of a Skylane. THAT is the
main difference, IMHO.

For a fairer comparison, you need to compare a Piper Pathfinder/Dakota with
the Skylane.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


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kontiki
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow vs Cessna 182 Reply with quote

Jay Honeck wrote:
Quote:
Useful load of an Arrow is no where near that of a Skylane. THAT is the
main difference, IMHO.

For a fairer comparison, you need to compare a Piper Pathfinder/Dakota with
the Skylane.

Besides what Jay mentioned, the Skylane is roomier than the Arrow... the
two doors makes it a lot easier to get in and out. The Skylane will cost
you a lot more to buy but may be a bit less to maintain.


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Dave S
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:06 am    Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow vs Cessna 182 Reply with quote



kontiki wrote:

Quote:
Besides what Jay mentioned, the Skylane is roomier than the Arrow... the
two doors makes it a lot easier to get in and out. The Skylane will cost
you a lot more to buy but may be a bit less to maintain.

Also, not all skylane's are retracts... All arrows to my knowledge are.

The retractable gear adds cost and complexity.

Dave


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Paul
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:38 am    Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow vs Cessna 182 Reply with quote

....For a fairer comparison, you need to compare a Piper Arrow with
the Cessna Cardinal (177).

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Paul

"Jay Honeck" <jjhoneck (AT) NOSPAMmchsi (DOT) com> a écrit dans le message de news:
5fMse.80709$xm3.77623 (AT) attbi_s21 (DOT) ..
Quote:
Useful load of an Arrow is no where near that of a Skylane. THAT is the
main difference, IMHO.

For a fairer comparison, you need to compare a Piper Pathfinder/Dakota
with the Skylane.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"




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Montblack
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow vs Cessna 182 Reply with quote

("Paul" wrote)
Quote:
...For a fairer comparison, you need to compare a Piper Arrow with
the Cessna Cardinal (177).


177 RG :-)


Montblack


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Jonathan Goodish
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow vs Cessna 182 Reply with quote

In article <kfTse.6052$jX6.204 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Dave S <Dastaten (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:
Quote:
Also, not all skylane's are retracts... All arrows to my knowledge are.
The retractable gear adds cost and complexity.


The non-retractable version of the Arrow is the Archer, which is also
missing the constant-speed prop.

In my opinion, the only advantage the Arrow has over the Archer is range
due to the ability to load more fuel. I'm not sure that advantage is
worth the extra cost in maintenance and insurance.



JKG

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Javier Henderson
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow vs Cessna 182 Reply with quote

Jonathan Goodish <jgoodish (AT) comcast (DOT) net> writes:

Quote:
In article <kfTse.6052$jX6.204 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Dave S <Dastaten (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:
Also, not all skylane's are retracts... All arrows to my knowledge are.
The retractable gear adds cost and complexity.


The non-retractable version of the Arrow is the Archer, which is also
missing the constant-speed prop.

In my opinion, the only advantage the Arrow has over the Archer is range
due to the ability to load more fuel. I'm not sure that advantage is
worth the extra cost in maintenance and insurance.

Is the Arrow any faster than the Archer?

-jav

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Jonathan Goodish
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow vs Cessna 182 Reply with quote

In article <86vf4bwb9f.fsf (AT) skylane (DOT) kjsl.com>,
Javier Henderson <javier (AT) KJSL (DOT) COM> wrote:
Quote:
In my opinion, the only advantage the Arrow has over the Archer is range
due to the ability to load more fuel. I'm not sure that advantage is
worth the extra cost in maintenance and insurance.

Is the Arrow any faster than the Archer?


Yes, as you would expect given the reduced drag from the gear. However,
I don't believe the speed advantage is any more than 15kts or so, which
isn't much for the increase in insurance and maintenance costs. You can
get the same performance out of fixed-gear, fixed pitch prop airplanes
like the Tiger.



JKG

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Javier Henderson
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow vs Cessna 182 Reply with quote

Jonathan Goodish <jgoodish (AT) comcast (DOT) net> writes:

Quote:
In article <86vf4bwb9f.fsf (AT) skylane (DOT) kjsl.com>,
Javier Henderson <javier (AT) KJSL (DOT) COM> wrote:
In my opinion, the only advantage the Arrow has over the Archer is range
due to the ability to load more fuel. I'm not sure that advantage is
worth the extra cost in maintenance and insurance.

Is the Arrow any faster than the Archer?


Yes, as you would expect given the reduced drag from the gear. However,
I don't believe the speed advantage is any more than 15kts or so, which
isn't much for the increase in insurance and maintenance costs. You can
get the same performance out of fixed-gear, fixed pitch prop airplanes
like the Tiger.

Hm.. I've owned a couple of Tigers, I'd get about 135KTAS on the
average. I thought the Arrow would be closer to 150 KTAS?

-jav

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kontiki
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow vs Cessna 182 Reply with quote

Javier Henderson wrote:
Quote:
Hm.. I've owned a couple of Tigers, I'd get about 135KTAS on the
average. I thought the Arrow would be closer to 150 KTAS?

-jav

The Arrows I've flown generally cruise at about 135kts.


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Javier Henderson
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow vs Cessna 182 Reply with quote

kontiki <kontiki (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> writes:

Quote:
Javier Henderson wrote:
Hm.. I've owned a couple of Tigers, I'd get about 135KTAS on the
average. I thought the Arrow would be closer to 150 KTAS?

The Arrows I've flown generally cruise at about 135kts.

I guess I haven't missed much!

My Skylane cruises at 135 KTAS also, on about 13-14 GPH. The Tiger did
it on about 9.5 GPH, I sure do miss those fuel flows...

-jav

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Bob Noel
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow vs Cessna 182 Reply with quote

In article <WS1te.1125$yg4.796 (AT) news01 (DOT) roc.ny>,
kontiki <kontiki (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:
Hm.. I've owned a couple of Tigers, I'd get about 135KTAS on the
average. I thought the Arrow would be closer to 150 KTAS?

The Arrows I've flown generally cruise at about 135kts.

I've seen 140+ ktas in an arrow 180. But I've only flown
that arrow on one round trip.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule


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Paul
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:52 am    Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow vs Cessna 182 Reply with quote

Sure, the RG.

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Paul

"Montblack" <Y4-NOT...4monty4blacky (AT) yvisiy (DOT) com> a écrit dans le message de
news: [email]11b8f1teetf037e (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com[/email]...
Quote:
("Paul" wrote)
...For a fairer comparison, you need to compare a Piper Arrow with
the Cessna Cardinal (177).


177 RG :-)


Montblack




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Tauno Voipio
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow vs Cessna 182 Reply with quote

Javier Henderson wrote:
Quote:
kontiki <kontiki (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> writes:


Javier Henderson wrote:

Hm.. I've owned a couple of Tigers, I'd get about 135KTAS on the
average. I thought the Arrow would be closer to 150 KTAS?

The Arrows I've flown generally cruise at about 135kts.


I guess I haven't missed much!

My Skylane cruises at 135 KTAS also, on about 13-14 GPH. The Tiger did
it on about 9.5 GPH, I sure do miss those fuel flows...

-jav

My Turbo Arrow IV cruises 135 KTAS on 9 - 10 GPH near surface,
and 150 KTAS with same flow at FL 100.

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Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio (at) iki fi


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