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 Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:05 am Post subject: Re: RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU |
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Spartan613 wrote:
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| Thursday, 19 February 2009
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| 016/2009
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| RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU
| As an interim measure, a leased fleet of five additional Hawker Pacific
B300
| King Air aircraft will undertake light air transport tasks. These
aircraft
| will be phased into the Townsville-based 38 Squadron as the Caribou is
| progressively retired toward the end of 2009. Three King Air 350
aircraft,
| currently operated by Army, will also be transferred across to 38
Squadron.
Great replace the Caribou (for 4 years) with an aircraft type that cannot
do the job.
(Why not just buy The C-27J and be done with it)
Instead of a toy executive a/c.
They have to wait for the White Paper first.
It might propose more Chinooks for the Army, or Ospreys for a Joint unit. Or
a mix of C27s and AC27s.
Time will tell.
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Please !! No Ospreys although a great IDEA
some maturity and Zillions of Dollars to go yet |
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The Raven
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU |
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"phil-c" <invalid (AT) invalid (DOT) com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Spartan613 wrote:
"Sunny" <wombatlodge (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"The Raven" <swilson150 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com.au> wrote in message
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| Thursday, 19 February 2009
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| 016/2009
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| RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU
| As an interim measure, a leased fleet of five additional Hawker
Pacific
B300
| King Air aircraft will undertake light air transport tasks. These
aircraft
| will be phased into the Townsville-based 38 Squadron as the Caribou is
| progressively retired toward the end of 2009. Three King Air 350
aircraft,
| currently operated by Army, will also be transferred across to 38
Squadron.
Great replace the Caribou (for 4 years) with an aircraft type that
cannot
do the job.
(Why not just buy The C-27J and be done with it)
Instead of a toy executive a/c.
They have to wait for the White Paper first.
It might propose more Chinooks for the Army, or Ospreys for a Joint unit.
Or a mix of C27s and AC27s.
Time will tell.
Please !! No Ospreys although a great IDEA
some maturity and Zillions of Dollars to go yet
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Agreed, Ospreys as a replacement for Caribous? Consider how the Caribous are
used........an Osprey couldn't compete in the majority of environments. |
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phil-c
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU |
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The Raven wrote:
| Quote: | "Spartan613" <buggeroff (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"Sunny" <wombatlodge (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:cl6nl.21959$cu.19840@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"The Raven" <swilson150 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com.au> wrote in message
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| Thursday, 19 February 2009
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| 016/2009
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| RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU
| As an interim measure, a leased fleet of five additional Hawker Pacific
B300
| King Air aircraft will undertake light air transport tasks. These
aircraft
| will be phased into the Townsville-based 38 Squadron as the Caribou is
| progressively retired toward the end of 2009. Three King Air 350
aircraft,
| currently operated by Army, will also be transferred across to 38
Squadron.
Great replace the Caribou (for 4 years) with an aircraft type that cannot
do the job.
(Why not just buy The C-27J and be done with it)
Instead of a toy executive a/c.
They have to wait for the White Paper first.
It might propose more Chinooks for the Army, or Ospreys for a Joint unit.
Or a mix of C27s and AC27s.
Time will tell.
Consider the timing. Announce the Caribou retirement some weeks out from the
Australian Avalon Airshow. Given how hard the Spartan was pushing the
concept of a replacement to the Caribou last time around, wouldn't surprise
me if a 'sudden' announcement is made then...
Hmmmmmmmmmm I shall not give odds on what you say . |
But think you are correct -although the announcement will give heaps of
folks some heart burn |
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The Raven
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU |
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"Spartan613" <buggeroff (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:%urol.22904$cu.5140@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
| Quote: | "Sunny" <wombatlodge (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:cl6nl.21959$cu.19840@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"The Raven" <swilson150 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com.au> wrote in message
news:499ce8c6$0$7377$afc38c87 (AT) news (DOT) optusnet.com.au...
| Thursday, 19 February 2009
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| 016/2009
|
| RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU
| As an interim measure, a leased fleet of five additional Hawker Pacific
B300
| King Air aircraft will undertake light air transport tasks. These
aircraft
| will be phased into the Townsville-based 38 Squadron as the Caribou is
| progressively retired toward the end of 2009. Three King Air 350
aircraft,
| currently operated by Army, will also be transferred across to 38
Squadron.
Great replace the Caribou (for 4 years) with an aircraft type that cannot
do the job.
(Why not just buy The C-27J and be done with it)
Instead of a toy executive a/c.
They have to wait for the White Paper first.
It might propose more Chinooks for the Army, or Ospreys for a Joint unit.
Or a mix of C27s and AC27s.
Time will tell.
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Consider the timing. Announce the Caribou retirement some weeks out from the
Australian Avalon Airshow. Given how hard the Spartan was pushing the
concept of a replacement to the Caribou last time around, wouldn't surprise
me if a 'sudden' announcement is made then... |
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phil-c
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:05 am Post subject: Re: RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU |
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Spartan613 wrote:
| Quote: | "phil-c" <invalid (AT) invalid (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:gntpeb$7m9$2 (AT) news (DOT) motzarella.org...
Spartan613 wrote:
"Sunny" <wombatlodge (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:cl6nl.21959$cu.19840@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"The Raven" <swilson150 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com.au> wrote in message
news:499ce8c6$0$7377$afc38c87 (AT) news (DOT) optusnet.com.au...
| Thursday, 19 February 2009
|
| 016/2009
|
| RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU
| As an interim measure, a leased fleet of five additional Hawker
Pacific
B300
| King Air aircraft will undertake light air transport tasks. These
aircraft
| will be phased into the Townsville-based 38 Squadron as the Caribou is
| progressively retired toward the end of 2009. Three King Air 350
aircraft,
| currently operated by Army, will also be transferred across to 38
Squadron.
Great replace the Caribou (for 4 years) with an aircraft type that
cannot
do the job.
(Why not just buy The C-27J and be done with it)
Instead of a toy executive a/c.
They have to wait for the White Paper first.
It might propose more Chinooks for the Army, or Ospreys for a Joint unit.
Or a mix of C27s and AC27s.
Time will tell.
Please !! No Ospreys although a great IDEA
some maturity and Zillions of Dollars to go yet
The USMC is using them on operations in Iraq. If there are any problems, I
suspect the word would be getting out.
see http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9845473-7.html |
As i said Early Days and if production ramps up Zillions of dollars
and the platform by normal definition is not yet mature in service .
This does impugn the type it is just common sense .
Operational wear and tear and the subsequent mods that all aircraft
get defines a platform maturing , does it not.
Speaking of Maturity the Old Bous now that is maturity eh :)
Some further reading for you
http://springboarder.blogspot.com/2008/01/mv-22-osprey-flubs-second-combat.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1207/p03s01-usmi.html#
http://springboarder.blogspot.com/2007/10/osprey-combat-debut-aircraft-as-bad.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/010308dnintospreys.2c114c4.html
Given Time ,money ,more money and operational feedback the machine
should either reach its stated parameters or who knows .
Personally I love the concept .
cheers |
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Spartan613
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:05 am Post subject: Re: RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU |
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"phil-c" <invalid (AT) invalid (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:gntpeb$7m9$2 (AT) news (DOT) motzarella.org...
| Quote: | Spartan613 wrote:
"Sunny" <wombatlodge (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:cl6nl.21959$cu.19840@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"The Raven" <swilson150 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com.au> wrote in message
news:499ce8c6$0$7377$afc38c87 (AT) news (DOT) optusnet.com.au...
| Thursday, 19 February 2009
|
| 016/2009
|
| RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU
| As an interim measure, a leased fleet of five additional Hawker
Pacific
B300
| King Air aircraft will undertake light air transport tasks. These
aircraft
| will be phased into the Townsville-based 38 Squadron as the Caribou is
| progressively retired toward the end of 2009. Three King Air 350
aircraft,
| currently operated by Army, will also be transferred across to 38
Squadron.
Great replace the Caribou (for 4 years) with an aircraft type that
cannot
do the job.
(Why not just buy The C-27J and be done with it)
Instead of a toy executive a/c.
They have to wait for the White Paper first.
It might propose more Chinooks for the Army, or Ospreys for a Joint unit.
Or a mix of C27s and AC27s.
Time will tell.
Please !! No Ospreys although a great IDEA
some maturity and Zillions of Dollars to go yet
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The USMC is using them on operations in Iraq. If there are any problems, I
suspect the word would be getting out.
--
"Those who beat their swords into ploughshares will plough for those who
didn't". |
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Stealth Pilot
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:44:53 +0900, phil-c <invalid (AT) invalid (DOT) com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Spartan613 wrote:
"phil-c" <invalid (AT) invalid (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:gntpeb$7m9$2 (AT) news (DOT) motzarella.org...
Spartan613 wrote:
"Sunny" <wombatlodge (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:cl6nl.21959$cu.19840@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"The Raven" <swilson150 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com.au> wrote in message
news:499ce8c6$0$7377$afc38c87 (AT) news (DOT) optusnet.com.au...
| Thursday, 19 February 2009
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| 016/2009
|
| RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU
| As an interim measure, a leased fleet of five additional Hawker
Pacific
B300
| King Air aircraft will undertake light air transport tasks. These
aircraft
| will be phased into the Townsville-based 38 Squadron as the Caribou is
| progressively retired toward the end of 2009. Three King Air 350
aircraft,
| currently operated by Army, will also be transferred across to 38
Squadron.
Great replace the Caribou (for 4 years) with an aircraft type that
cannot
do the job.
(Why not just buy The C-27J and be done with it)
Instead of a toy executive a/c.
They have to wait for the White Paper first.
It might propose more Chinooks for the Army, or Ospreys for a Joint unit.
Or a mix of C27s and AC27s.
Time will tell.
Please !! No Ospreys although a great IDEA
some maturity and Zillions of Dollars to go yet
The USMC is using them on operations in Iraq. If there are any problems, I
suspect the word would be getting out.
see http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9845473-7.html
As i said Early Days and if production ramps up Zillions of dollars
and the platform by normal definition is not yet mature in service .
This does impugn the type it is just common sense .
Operational wear and tear and the subsequent mods that all aircraft
get defines a platform maturing , does it not.
Speaking of Maturity the Old Bous now that is maturity eh :)
Some further reading for you
http://springboarder.blogspot.com/2008/01/mv-22-osprey-flubs-second-combat.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1207/p03s01-usmi.html#
http://springboarder.blogspot.com/2007/10/osprey-combat-debut-aircraft-as-bad.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/010308dnintospreys.2c114c4.html
Given Time ,money ,more money and operational feedback the machine
should either reach its stated parameters or who knows .
Personally I love the concept .
cheers
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phil you have worked in the english ministry of procurement havent
you? 
this sort of attitude is what got the harrier developed so I suppose
it has some advantages.
the v22 osprey as it sits now is a brilliant aircraft. I'd own one.
Stealth Pilot |
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GrassyNoel
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:11 am Post subject: Re: RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU |
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On Feb 24, 3:44 pm, phil-c <inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Given Time ,money ,more money and operational feedback the machine
should either reach its stated parameters
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In the case of the Space Shuttle, it never has come up to spec
(after 37 years since the decision authorising STS was made in 1972) |
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JimK
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU |
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"Spartan613" <buggeroff (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Sunny" <wombatlodge (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"The Raven" <swilson150 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com.au> wrote in message
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| Thursday, 19 February 2009
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| 016/2009
|
| RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU
| As an interim measure, a leased fleet of five additional Hawker Pacific
B300
| King Air aircraft will undertake light air transport tasks. These
aircraft
| will be phased into the Townsville-based 38 Squadron as the Caribou is
| progressively retired toward the end of 2009. Three King Air 350
aircraft,
| currently operated by Army, will also be transferred across to 38
Squadron.
Great replace the Caribou (for 4 years) with an aircraft type that cannot
do the job.
(Why not just buy The C-27J and be done with it)
Instead of a toy executive a/c.
They have to wait for the White Paper first.
It might propose more Chinooks for the Army,
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Chinooks carry more and flies faster....
..... oh, and cost a bucket more to maintain. |
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Spartan613
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:06 am Post subject: Re: RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU |
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"Spartan613" <buggeroff (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"Sunny" <wombatlodge (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"The Raven" <swilson150 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com.au> wrote in message
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| Thursday, 19 February 2009
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| 016/2009
|
| RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU
| As an interim measure, a leased fleet of five additional Hawker
Pacific
B300
| King Air aircraft will undertake light air transport tasks. These
aircraft
| will be phased into the Townsville-based 38 Squadron as the Caribou is
| progressively retired toward the end of 2009. Three King Air 350
aircraft,
| currently operated by Army, will also be transferred across to 38
Squadron.
Great replace the Caribou (for 4 years) with an aircraft type that
cannot
do the job.
(Why not just buy The C-27J and be done with it)
Instead of a toy executive a/c.
They have to wait for the White Paper first.
It might propose more Chinooks for the Army,
Chinooks carry more and flies faster....
.... oh, and cost a bucket more to maintain.
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Carries more and flies faster that a C27?
As for maintenance, no doubt about it.
--
"Those who beat their swords into ploughshares will plough for those who
didn't".
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JimK
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| Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: Re: RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU |
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Caribou A4-140 is earmarked for the Australian War Memorial.
140 was the first one delivered and was flown home by the CO - Trevor
Fairbairn. |
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JimK
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| Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: Re: RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU |
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| Thursday, 19 February 2009
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| 016/2009
|
| RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU
| As an interim measure, a leased fleet of five additional Hawker
Pacific
B300
| King Air aircraft will undertake light air transport tasks. These
aircraft
| will be phased into the Townsville-based 38 Squadron as the Caribou
is
| progressively retired toward the end of 2009. Three King Air 350
aircraft,
| currently operated by Army, will also be transferred across to 38
Squadron.
Great replace the Caribou (for 4 years) with an aircraft type that
cannot
do the job.
(Why not just buy The C-27J and be done with it)
Instead of a toy executive a/c.
They have to wait for the White Paper first.
It might propose more Chinooks for the Army,
Chinooks carry more and flies faster....
.... oh, and cost a bucket more to maintain.
Carries more and flies faster that a C27?
As for maintenance, no doubt about it.
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Nah, I was compare a bou with a chinook |
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Neil Gerace
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| Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU |
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JimK wrote:
| Quote: | 140 was the first one delivered and was flown home by the CO - Trevor
Fairbairn.
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Any relation to ... ? |
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JimK
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:05 am Post subject: Re: RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU |
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"David" <david (AT) ozard (DOT) wiz.au> wrote in message
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"David" <david (AT) ozard (DOT) wiz.au> wrote in message
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"Neil Gerace" <grassynoel (AT) iinet (DOT) net.au> wrote in message
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JimK wrote:
140 was the first one delivered and was flown home by the CO -
Trevor Fairbairn.
Any relation to ... ?
? Who
Mr Fairbairn?
Sorry, I don't know any Fairbairns that maybe famous.
The one who perished when the RAAF aircraft he was a passenger in crashed
on the approach to Canberra's RAAF Base, now called Fairbairn. He (J.V.
Fairbairn) was the Minister of State for Air from 13/11/39 to 13/8/40. Or
the one (D.E. Fairbairn) who was Minister of State for Air 4/8/62 to
10/6/64. See also:
http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A080483b.htm
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Sorry, was not thinking of Canberra....
Dont know if he was related, I will ask. |
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Neil Gerace
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: RETIREMENT OF THE DHC-4 CARIBOU |
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David wrote:
| Quote: | The one who perished when the RAAF aircraft he was a passenger in crashed
on the approach to Canberra's RAAF Base, now called Fairbairn. He (J.V.
Fairbairn) was the Minister of State for Air from 13/11/39 to 13/8/40. Or
the one (D.E. Fairbairn) who was Minister of State for Air 4/8/62 to
10/6/64. See also:
http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A080483b.htm
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Yes, I meant them. |
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