AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Let's all pull together! Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Edinburgh Airport View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message mark devaney Guest Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:26 pm    Post subject: Let's all pull together! I've been a long time reader of these newsgroups and I have to say that some of the postings are an embarrassment to the nation. I think it really is about time people realised the fundamental fact that Scottish airports are key contributors to the economic growth of the COUNTRY, not just individual cities. A positive contribution means more people in work, better paid jobs, and increased competitiveness in world markets for Scottish based companies. This is a lot more important than point scoring over which routes went to which city. There have been a number of articles published over the last year or so which have examined the weaknesses of the Scottish economy, and the consensus is the way forward for Scotland is for greater co-operation and integration between Glasgow and Edinburgh to enable us to compete on the world stage. What this needs is not whingeing about why Glasgow got a certain service, or some airline chose Edinburgh for their Scottish service. The areas where people should be actively campaigning are issues such as the diabolical transport network in the central belt. I do understand why the 'fly local' campaigners would rather connect in Heathrow or Amsterdam instead of travelling east or west to use the nearest Scottish direct service to their destination - the rail and road network is a national disgrace. So why not get on to your local MP and MSP and tell them to stop messing about and start spending money on projects such as the M74 completion, Glasgow Crossrail, railway stations at both airports, improvements to the Edinburgh - Glasgow train service and upgrading of the M8. I know some of these projects are underway but not enough is being done. Why we need to spend more and more money on consultants reports is a mystery to me. All of these projects are no-brainers. It's a key responsibility of the government to provide the basic infrastructure upon which the private sector can build new economic output. Transport links are part of this basic infrastructure. In the 21st century it's ridiculous that a passenger can't step onto a train at Waverley and be dropped off directly at Glasgow airport, or vice versa from Queen St to Edinburgh airport. So let's spread some positivity and pressure the powers that be to get things moving, instead of revelling in negative point scoring. Remember, Edinburgh and Glasgow are very small cities in world terms, but Scotland has a great heritage and if everyone pulls together there IS scope to improve the quality of life of the nation as a whole. Finally, I'd say to the contributors to these newsgroups, before composing your next post, put yourself in the position of an American CEO of, say, a major financial service institution, pondering whether to locate their new European headquarters in Scotland or Dublin. Both locations have offered assistance with set up costs, excellent building location choices, and assistance with recruitment and training. Browsing the web to get a feel for the character of the two locations you chance upon these newsgroups. Where would you choose to locate after reading a few days worth of posts? **************************************************************************** ***** Free your phoneline and turbocharge your Internet connection. Always-on broadband at: http:///www.tiscali-network.com/liberation/services **************************************************************************** ***** Back to top Clive Braham Guest Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Let's all pull together! "mark devaney" <md009d4088 (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: I've been a long time reader of these newsgroups and I have to say that some of the postings are an embarrassment to the nation. I think it really is about time people realised the fundamental fact that Scottish airports are key contributors to the economic growth of the COUNTRY, not just individual cities. [snip] Finally, I'd say to the contributors to these newsgroups, before composing your next post, put yourself in the position of an American CEO of, say, a major financial service institution, pondering whether to locate their new European headquarters in Scotland or Dublin. Both locations have offered assistance with set up costs, excellent building location choices, and assistance with recruitment and training. Browsing the web to get a feel for the character of the two locations you chance upon these newsgroups. Where would you choose to locate after reading a few days worth of posts? Well said that man! Clive Back to top Joe Curry Guest Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:51 am    Post subject: Re: Let's all pull together! The message <c0os04$eut$1 (AT) news6 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk> from "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> contains these words: Quote: Well said that man! Pity about Deejay/Blimpie starting the confrontation all those years ago....we could have had two aviation newsgroups pulling together to support our respective airports without the inter-city conflict.. Back to top GM Guest Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: Let's all pull together! On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:26:29 +0000, mark devaney wrote: <snipped, but read> Quote: Remember, Edinburgh and Glasgow are very small cities in world terms, but Scotland has a great heritage and if everyone pulls together there IS scope to improve the quality of life of the nation as a whole. Undoubtedly true, and I'm sure you posted with the most laudable of intentions......but I think a minor reality check is in order..... Quote: Finally, I'd say to the contributors to these newsgroups, before composing your next post, put yourself in the position of an American CEO of, say, a major financial service institution, pondering whether to locate their new European headquarters in Scotland or Dublin. Both locations have offered assistance with set up costs, excellent building location choices, and assistance with recruitment and training. Browsing the web to get a feel for the character of the two locations you chance upon these newsgroups. Where would you choose to locate after reading a few days worth of posts? From a few days posts it ought to be self-evident that, in terms of population, the number of posters to these groups is so small, to conclude that the opinions expressed on these groups are in any way representative of any city, or Scotland as a whole, is foolish. For the sake of hypothesis, I'll assume that as CEO, I wish to both keep my job and provide for a long-term future for the company. If my decisions are going to be swayed by what I read on *any* alt.* hierarchy newsgroup, I fear for both..... -- GM Back to top Callum Johnstone Guest Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: Let's all pull together! "mark devaney" <md009d4088 (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: I've been a long time reader of these newsgroups and I have to say that some of the postings are an embarrassment to the nation. I think it really is about time people realised the fundamental fact that Scottish airports are key contributors to the economic growth of the COUNTRY, not just individual cities. A positive contribution means more people in work, better paid jobs, and increased competitiveness in world markets for Scottish based companies. This is a lot more important than point scoring over which routes went to which city. There have been a number of articles published over the last year or so which have examined the weaknesses of the Scottish economy, and the consensus is the way forward for Scotland is for greater co-operation and integration between Glasgow and Edinburgh to enable us to compete on the world stage. What this needs is not whingeing about why Glasgow got a certain service, or some airline chose Edinburgh for their Scottish service. The areas where people should be actively campaigning are issues such as the diabolical transport network in the central belt. I do understand why the 'fly local' campaigners would rather connect in Heathrow or Amsterdam instead of travelling east or west to use the nearest Scottish direct service to their destination - the rail and road network is a national disgrace. So why not get on to your local MP and MSP and tell them to stop messing about and start spending money on projects such as the M74 completion, Glasgow Crossrail, railway stations at both airports, improvements to the Edinburgh - Glasgow train service and upgrading of the M8. I know some of these projects are underway but not enough is being done. Why we need to spend more and more money on consultants reports is a mystery to me. All of these projects are no-brainers. It's a key responsibility of the government to provide the basic infrastructure upon which the private sector can build new economic output. Transport links are part of this basic infrastructure. In the 21st century it's ridiculous that a passenger can't step onto a train at Waverley and be dropped off directly at Glasgow airport, or vice versa from Queen St to Edinburgh airport. So let's spread some positivity and pressure the powers that be to get things moving, instead of revelling in negative point scoring. Remember, Edinburgh and Glasgow are very small cities in world terms, but Scotland has a great heritage and if everyone pulls together there IS scope to improve the quality of life of the nation as a whole. Finally, I'd say to the contributors to these newsgroups, before composing your next post, put yourself in the position of an American CEO of, say, a major financial service institution, pondering whether to locate their new European headquarters in Scotland or Dublin. Both locations have offered assistance with set up costs, excellent building location choices, and assistance with recruitment and training. Browsing the web to get a feel for the character of the two locations you chance upon these newsgroups. Where would you choose to locate after reading a few days worth of posts? Excellent summary of the situation, Mark. Back to top Joe Curry Guest Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: Let's all pull together! The message <pmSXb.22178$ul3.20765 (AT) news-binary (DOT) blueyonder.co.uk> from "mark devaney" <md009d4088 (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> contains these words: Quote: In the 21st century it's ridiculous that a passenger can't step onto a train at Waverley and be dropped off directly at Glasgow airport, or vice versa from Queen St to Edinburgh airport. It's also ridiculous that National Express/Inter City do not provide a service to Edinburgh Airport...they serve most major UK airports but not Edinburgh. Folk getting the express buses have to alight on the A8, negotiate a series of steps and then walk about a mile to the airport terminal, probably dragging children and luggage. 21st.century? ( Back to top Joe Curry Guest Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: Let's all pull together! The message <ZK_Xb.24834$ul3.11982 (AT) news-binary (DOT) blueyonder.co.uk> from "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> contains these words: Quote: the character of the two locations you chance upon these newsgroups. Where would you choose to locate after reading a few days worth of posts? Excellent summary of the situation, Mark. This one from Alan Doniger is an accurate summary. "I used to think this was an interesting enough newsgroup basically concerning the growth, development and otherwise interesting matters relating to EDI. Seems to me that there is a number of saboteurs who,in largely insulting and negative terms of their own are intent on simply promoting anti EDI comments. Drivel about boundaries etc and guff about shopping in Glasgow. Petty insignificant drivel totally irrelevant and more suited to a pro west central Scotland economic development forum." Back to top Gordon Tracey Guest Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Let's all pull together! "mark devaney" <md009d4088 (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: I've been a long time reader of these newsgroups and I have to say that some of the postings are an embarrassment to the nation. I think it really is about time people realised the fundamental fact that Scottish airports are key contributors to the economic growth of the COUNTRY, not just individual cities. A positive contribution means more people in work, better paid jobs, and increased competitiveness in world markets for Scottish based companies. This is a lot more important than point scoring over which routes went to which city. There have been a number of articles published over the last year or so which have examined the weaknesses of the Scottish economy, and the consensus is the way forward for Scotland is for greater co-operation and integration between Glasgow and Edinburgh to enable us to compete on the world stage. this will not happen. Glasgow would love to have the festival and the hogmanay celebs 4 example. both cities want 2 have a major airport. the answer is simple. 1 airport for Edinburgh and Glasgow. 1 council for Edinburgh and Glasgow. 1 integrated transport exec for Edinburgh and Glasgow. as I say, this will not happen. Quote: What this needs is not whingeing about why Glasgow got a certain service, or some airline chose Edinburgh for their Scottish service. The areas where people should be actively campaigning are issues such as the diabolical transport network in the central belt. I do understand why the 'fly local' campaigners would rather connect in Heathrow or Amsterdam instead of travelling east or west to use the nearest Scottish direct service to their destination - the rail and road network is a national disgrace. So why not get on to your local MP and MSP and tell them to stop messing about and start spending money on projects such as the M74 completion, Glasgow Crossrail, railway stations at both airports, improvements to the Edinburgh - Glasgow train service and upgrading of the M8. I know some of these projects are underway but not enough is being done. Why we need to spend more and more money on consultants reports is a mystery to me. All of these projects are no-brainers. It's a key responsibility of the government to provide the basic infrastructure upon which the private sector can build new economic output. Transport links are part of this basic infrastructure. In the 21st century it's ridiculous that a passenger can't step onto a train at Waverley and be dropped off directly at Glasgow airport, or vice versa from Queen St to Edinburgh airport. So let's spread some positivity and pressure the powers that be to get things moving, instead of revelling in negative point scoring. Remember, Edinburgh and Glasgow are very small cities in world terms, but Scotland has a great heritage and if everyone pulls together there IS scope to improve the quality of life of the nation as a whole. Finally, I'd say to the contributors to these newsgroups, before composing your next post, put yourself in the position of an American CEO of, say, a major financial service institution, pondering whether to locate their new European headquarters in Scotland or Dublin. Both locations have offered assistance with set up costs, excellent building location choices, and assistance with recruitment and training. Browsing the web to get a feel for the character of the two locations you chance upon these newsgroups. Where would you choose to locate after reading a few days worth of posts? it's probably the same situation in other parts of the world too. and that includes different US states. Back to top Joe Curry Guest Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Let's all pull together! The message <56a3dace.0402160531.3de96756 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com> from [email]gordon.tracey (AT) caramail (DOT) com[/email] (Gordon Tracey) contains these words: Quote: this will not happen. Glasgow would love to have the festival and the hogmanay celebs 4 example. both cities want 2 have a major airport. the answer is simple. 1 airport for Edinburgh and Glasgow. 1 council for Edinburgh and Glasgow. 1 integrated transport exec for Edinburgh and Glasgow. as I say, this will not happen. No it won't.... ) However we do have one seat of government for Scotland but according to the saboteurs, the seat is in the wrong place... ( Back to top Alex Robertson Guest Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Let's all pull together! "mark devaney" <md009d4088 (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: Finally, I'd say to the contributors to these newsgroups, before composing your next post, put yourself in the position of an American CEO of, say, a major financial service institution, pondering whether to locate their new European headquarters in Scotland or Dublin. Both locations have offered assistance with set up costs, excellent building location choices, and assistance with recruitment and training. Browsing the web to get a feel for the character of the two locations you chance upon these newsgroups. Where would you choose to locate after reading a few days worth of posts? Newcastle!!!! :) Back to top Callum Johnstone Guest Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Let's all pull together! "Alex Robertson" <alex231 (AT) trustmeNOT (DOT) com> wrote Quote: "mark devaney" <md009d4088 (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:pmSXb.22178$ul3.20765 (AT) news-binary (DOT) blueyonder.co.uk... Finally, I'd say to the contributors to these newsgroups, before composing your next post, put yourself in the position of an American CEO of, say, a major financial service institution, pondering whether to locate their new European headquarters in Scotland or Dublin. Both locations have offered assistance with set up costs, excellent building location choices, and assistance with recruitment and training. Browsing the web to get a feel for the character of the two locations you chance upon these newsgroups. Where would you choose to locate after reading a few days worth of posts? Newcastle!!!! Newcastle, Australia! Back to top Joe Curry Guest Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Let's all pull together! The message <xw7Yb.89068$cL.61384 (AT) news-lhr (DOT) blueyonder.co.uk> from "Alex Robertson" <alex231 (AT) trustmeNOT (DOT) com> contains these words: Quote: the character of the two locations you chance upon these newsgroups. Where would you choose to locate after reading a few days worth of posts? Newcastle!!!! That's after reading BAA's handling charges..... Back to top mark devaney Guest Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Let's all pull together! "Joe Curry" <ability (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: The message <c0os04$eut$1 (AT) news6 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk from "Clive Braham" Well said that man! Pity about Deejay/Blimpie starting the confrontation all those years ago....we could have had two aviation newsgroups pulling together to support our respective airports without the inter-city conflict.. Joe We are all adults. If you fail to rise to whatever bait you see cast before you, then pretty soon no more bait will be cast. The same applies to everyone. Mark D. Back to top GLAsgow PrestwIcK Guest Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Let's all pull together! Why would Glasgow love to have a party that gets cancelled? :S Back to top GLAsgow PrestwIcK Guest Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Let's all pull together! 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