AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  legitimate newsgroup? Goto page 1, 2  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Light aircraft View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Russ and/or Martha Oppenh Guest Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: legitimate newsgroup? It this a legitimate ultralight newsgroup anymore? Or has it just degenerated into an outlet for porn? No one seems talk about flying anymore. Martha Back to top Drew Dalgleish Guest Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: legitimate newsgroup? On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:11:44 -0600, "Russ and/or Martha Oppenheim" <moppenheim (AT) satx (DOT) rr.com> wrote: Quote: It this a legitimate ultralight newsgroup anymore? Or has it just degenerated into an outlet for porn? No one seems talk about flying anymore. Martha My ISP does a pretty good job of filtering the porn so mostly it's a dead group with ocasional engine questions. Back to top Mark Hansen Guest Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: legitimate newsgroup? On 01/12/07 05:18, Drew Dalgleish wrote: Quote: On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:11:44 -0600, "Russ and/or Martha Oppenheim" moppenheim (AT) satx (DOT) rr.com> wrote: It this a legitimate ultralight newsgroup anymore? Or has it just degenerated into an outlet for porn? No one seems talk about flying anymore. Martha My ISP does a pretty good job of filtering the porn so mostly it's a dead group with ocasional engine questions. I guess my ISP does as well, as I haven't seen a single porn-related article. I wonder if folks are shying away from ultralights (in the US at least) because of the emergence of LSAs? I still think the most fun I've ever had flying was flying a Quicksilver MX-II (ultralight trainer). I would love to have one of these licensed as an LSA so I could take a passenger flying with me. Back to top Ron Guest Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:26 am    Post subject: Re: legitimate newsgroup? What' stopping you? This is the time to do it (by 1/31/2008), then fly legally, Ron "Mark Hansen" <meh (AT) NOSPAMwinfirst (DOT) com> wrote in message news:12qf8sa66akvl21 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... Quote: On 01/12/07 05:18, Drew Dalgleish wrote: On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:11:44 -0600, "Russ and/or Martha Oppenheim" moppenheim (AT) satx (DOT) rr.com> wrote: It this a legitimate ultralight newsgroup anymore? Or has it just degenerated into an outlet for porn? No one seems talk about flying anymore. Martha My ISP does a pretty good job of filtering the porn so mostly it's a dead group with ocasional engine questions. I guess my ISP does as well, as I haven't seen a single porn-related article. I wonder if folks are shying away from ultralights (in the US at least) because of the emergence of LSAs? I still think the most fun I've ever had flying was flying a Quicksilver MX-II (ultralight trainer). I would love to have one of these licensed as an LSA so I could take a passenger flying with me. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Back to top Mark Hansen Guest Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:18 am    Post subject: Re: legitimate newsgroup? On 01/12/07 11:26, Ron wrote: Quote: What' stopping you? This is the time to do it (by 1/31/2008), then fly legally, Aside from the cost of the vehicle, I'm not clear at all on the rules with regard to getting the vehicle certified as an LSA. The last time I asked, I was referred to what looked like a maze of regulations. Is there a site that goes through the steps I need to take to get what used to be called an ultralight trainer (like a Quicksilver MX-II) and get it certified for use as an LSA? What happens after 1/31/08? Does this process get harder? Thanks, Quote: Ron -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA Back to top Russ and/or Martha Oppenh Guest Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: legitimate newsgroup? Quote: I still think the most fun I've ever had flying was flying a Quicksilver MX-II (ultralight trainer). I would love to have one of these licensed as an LSA so I could take a passenger flying with me.< Hey, I've got a Quicksilver Sprint-2 for sale (located in San Antonio, TX) reasonable ($8500 negotiable). It's got a Rotax 503, recently decarbed, new fuel lines, DCDI, has the normal instruments, and an (out of date) chute. It is, however, hot pink. I'm selling it because I mainly fly my GT400 (also hot pink, but not for sale.) I have a PPL, and if I want to take up a passenger I'll just rent a Cessna. I'm a (soon to be expired) BFI, and I just don't take up "students" anymore. Martha "Mark Hansen" <meh (AT) NOSPAMwinfirst (DOT) com> wrote in message news:12qf8sa66akvl21 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... Quote: On 01/12/07 05:18, Drew Dalgleish wrote: On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:11:44 -0600, "Russ and/or Martha Oppenheim" moppenheim (AT) satx (DOT) rr.com> wrote: It this a legitimate ultralight newsgroup anymore? Or has it just degenerated into an outlet for porn? No one seems talk about flying anymore. Martha My ISP does a pretty good job of filtering the porn so mostly it's a dead group with ocasional engine questions. I guess my ISP does as well, as I haven't seen a single porn-related article. I wonder if folks are shying away from ultralights (in the US at least) because of the emergence of LSAs? I still think the most fun I've ever had flying was flying a Quicksilver MX-II (ultralight trainer). I would love to have one of these licensed as an LSA so I could take a passenger flying with me. Back to top 601XL Builder Guest Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:32 pm    Post subject: Re: legitimate newsgroup? Mark Hansen wrote: Quote: On 01/12/07 11:26, Ron wrote: What' stopping you? This is the time to do it (by 1/31/2008), then fly legally, Aside from the cost of the vehicle, I'm not clear at all on the rules with regard to getting the vehicle certified as an LSA. The last time I asked, I was referred to what looked like a maze of regulations. Is there a site that goes through the steps I need to take to get what used to be called an ultralight trainer (like a Quicksilver MX-II) and get it certified for use as an LSA? What happens after 1/31/08? Does this process get harder? Thanks, Ron Go to the EAA site. Back to top Dana M. Hague Guest Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:14 am    Post subject: Re: legitimate newsgroup? On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:04:41 -0800, Mark Hansen Quote: I wonder if folks are shying away from ultralights (in the US at least) because of the emergence of LSAs? If anything, I think we'll see a resurgence of interest in "true" ultralights as the "fat" ultralights and 2-seaters transition to SP/LSA, especially if (as is rumoured) the FAA steps up enforcement of the illegal "fats". A slightly different but related aspect is the explosion of interest in powered parachutes (many of which are 103 legal) and powered paragliders (virtually all of which are 103 legal). -Dana -- -- If replying by email, please make the obvious changes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-- Albert Einstein Back to top Dana M. Hague Guest Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:18 am    Post subject: Re: legitimate newsgroup? On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:18:30 -0800, Mark Hansen <meh (AT) NOSPAMwinfirst (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Is there a site that goes through the steps I need to take to get what used to be called an ultralight trainer (like a Quicksilver MX-II) and get it certified for use as an LSA? http://sportpilot.org/ Quote: What happens after 1/31/08? Does this process get harder? Yes. Right now it's a fairly simple process to certify a fat ultralight as "experimental-light sport" which is the category they created to grandfather existing aircraft. Once that expires, your only option will be to certify it as "experimental-amateur built" (just like any homebuilt, you have to do 51% of the work, etc.) or, if you built it from an approved kit, in some other category (might also be E-LSA but I'm not sure). -Dana -- -- If replying by email, please make the obvious changes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-- Albert Einstein Back to top rswan19 Guest Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:44 am    Post subject: Re: legitimate newsgroup? After Jan. 08 it becomes a collection parts and cannot be registered as any aircraft. R "Dana M. Hague" <d(dash)m(dash)hague(at)comcast(dot)net> wrote in message news:4delq2t1n2gdfq66nubgs8umiellhljg0v (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Quote: On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:18:30 -0800, Mark Hansen meh (AT) NOSPAMwinfirst (DOT) com> wrote: Is there a site that goes through the steps I need to take to get what used to be called an ultralight trainer (like a Quicksilver MX-II) and get it certified for use as an LSA? http://sportpilot.org/ What happens after 1/31/08? Does this process get harder? Yes. Right now it's a fairly simple process to certify a fat ultralight as "experimental-light sport" which is the category they created to grandfather existing aircraft. Once that expires, your only option will be to certify it as "experimental-amateur built" (just like any homebuilt, you have to do 51% of the work, etc.) or, if you built it from an approved kit, in some other category (might also be E-LSA but I'm not sure). -Dana -- -- If replying by email, please make the obvious changes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-- Albert Einstein Back to top Dana M. Hague Guest Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:02 am    Post subject: Re: legitimate newsgroup? On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:44:02 -0500, "rswan19" <rswan19 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: After Jan. 08 it becomes a collection parts and cannot be registered as any aircraft. It can, IF you built it yourself (did at least 51% of the work) (even if you built it yourself long ago)... but you have to be able to prove it. If it came as a kit you can bolt together in a few hours, then no. -Dana -- -- If replying by email, please make the obvious changes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if Pacman affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills, and listening to repetitive music. Back to top Guest Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:25 am    Post subject: Re: legitimate newsgroup? On Jan 17, 7:02 pm, Dana M. Hague <d(dash)m(dash)hague(at)comcast(dot)net> wrote: Quote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:44:02 -0500, "rswan19" <rswa...@comcast.net wrote: After Jan. 08 it becomes a collection parts and cannot be registered as any aircraft. It can, IF you built it yourself (did at least 51% of the work) (even if you built it yourself long ago)... but you have to be able to prove it. If it came as a kit you can bolt together in a few hours, then no. Is there a special rule for those? An experimental aircraft need not be 51% built by the owner himself. It must not be built 51% or more by a hired builder. It can also be bought complete, provided 51% was originally built by someone not hired by the then owner, so long as it was not built for resale. -- FF Back to top Dana M. Hague Guest Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: legitimate newsgroup? On 5 Feb 2007 16:25:22 -0800, fredfighter (AT) spamcop (DOT) net wrote: Quote: An experimental aircraft need not be 51% built by the owner himself. It must not be built 51% or more by a hired builder. It can also be bought complete, provided 51% was originally built by someone not hired by the then owner, so long as it was not built for resale. Not sure of the specifics, but I think the original airworthiness certificate has to be issued to the original 51% builder... after which he can sell the aircraft as he wishes. -Dana -- -- If replying by email, please make the obvious changes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question Authority and the authorities will question you! Back to top Guest Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: legitimate newsgroup? On Feb 7, 12:07 am, Dana M. Hague <d(dash)m(dash)hague(at)comcast(dot)net> wrote: Quote: On 5 Feb 2007 16:25:22 -0800, fredfigh...@spamcop.net wrote: An experimental aircraft need not be 51% built by the owner himself. It must not be built 51% or more by a hired builder. It can also be bought complete, provided 51% was originally built by someone not hired by the then owner, so long as it was not built for resale. Not sure of the specifics, but I think the original airworthiness certificate has to be issued to the original 51% builder... after which he can sell the aircraft as he wishes. That is definitely not true. If I scratch build an experimental to 95% completion, die, and you buy the project at the estate sale, you can complete it and get the airworthiness certificate. -- FF Back to top Guest Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: legitimate newsgroup? On Feb 9, 1:15 am, Dana M. Hague <d(dash)m(dash)hague(at)comcast(dot)net> wrote: Quote: On 6 Feb 2007 17:45:31 -0800, fredfigh...@spamcop.net wrote: ... If I scratch build an experimental to 95% completion, die, and you buy the project at the estate sale, you can complete it and get the airworthiness certificate. Who gets listed as the builder on the paperwork, then? -Dana Dunno--I'm still alive... -- FF Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Light aircraft All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum Aviation----------------alt.aviationAviation safety EnhancementPlanes, gliders and flying in AustraliaAviation et pilotage (Français)rec.aviationAviation (Aerobatics)Hot air, gas balloons and airshipsHang-gliding, paragliding, foot-launched flightAircraft Design & BuildingInstrument Flight RulesAviation (Classifieds)Military AircraftNaval AviationAviation (Miscellaneous Topics)Owning AirplanesAviators (General Discussions)Aviation related productsAircraft RestorationHelicopters and rotary wing aircraftsFlight SimulationSailplanesAviation (Students)Light aircraftFlying related activities in the UK Airports----------------alt.airportsEdinburgh Airport Glasgow Airport Humberside Airport Luton Airport Aberdeen Airport Glasgow Prestwick Airport  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.