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Michael Coates
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 Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 8:51 am Post subject: Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders |
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Hello guys,
We have just published the latest newsletter for the Pipistrel Sinus and
Virus Motorgliders manufactured in Slovenia.
This newsletter features...
Important information and pictures on flutter testing which may be of
interest to a number of readers.
The new factory has started construction.
The Pipistrel Demonstration Team
Update on the "Flight for Sight" project
All this can be found on the following link
http://www.mcp.com.au/sinus/newsletters/newsletter-8/newsletter-8.html
Enjoy, Michael Coates X-Air Australia
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Barnyard BOb --
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders |
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| Quote: | We have just published the latest newsletter for the Pipistrel Sinus and
Virus Motorgliders manufactured in Slovenia.
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VIRUS motorgliders ???
You too can be the envy of the tea party when you tell 'em...
Ya got a.... VIRUS in Slovenia. <g>
Barnyard BOb- not from Madison Avenue
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Barnyard BOb --
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders |
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| Quote: | We have just published the latest newsletter for the Pipistrel Sinus and
Virus Motorgliders manufactured in Slovenia.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
VIRUS motorgliders ???
You too can be the envy of the tea party when you tell 'em...
Ya got a.... VIRUS in Slovenia.
Barnyard BOb- not from Madison Avenue
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P.S.
I didn't mention SINUS.....
cause mine are in good shape.
However, it might be worth noting that anyone
looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
the difference between disaster and success at times.
1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.
The guffaws have started ringing loud and clear throughout
the aviation land already. Good thing this isn't baseball.
Barnyard BOb --image can mean everything
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Rick Pellicciotti
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders |
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"Barnyard BOb --" <rv3 (AT) hotmail (DOT) net> wrote
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We have just published the latest newsletter for the Pipistrel Sinus and
Virus Motorgliders manufactured in Slovenia.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
VIRUS motorgliders ???
You too can be the envy of the tea party when you tell 'em...
Ya got a.... VIRUS in Slovenia.
Barnyard BOb- not from Madison Avenue
P.S.
I didn't mention SINUS.....
cause mine are in good shape.
However, it might be worth noting that anyone
looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
the difference between disaster and success at times.
1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.
The guffaws have started ringing loud and clear throughout
the aviation land already. Good thing this isn't baseball.
Barnyard BOb --image can mean everything
I'm reminded of the marketing goof by Mitsubishi when they first brought out |
the MU-2:
"Brought to you by the same people that brought you the Zero!"
OUCH
Rick Pellicciotti
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Ron Natalie
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders |
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"Rick Pellicciotti" <rick (AT) spitfire (DOT) org> wrote
| Quote: | I'm reminded of the marketing goof by Mitsubishi when they first brought out
the MU-2:
"Brought to you by the same people that brought you the Zero!"
OUCH
My ex-marketing guy's favorite line used to be "If you can't stand the heat, |
stay out of Nagasaki." I tried to keep him away from our Japanese customers.
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Mark Smith
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders |
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Barnyard BOb -- wrote:
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We have just published the latest newsletter for the Pipistrel Sinus and
Virus Motorgliders manufactured in Slovenia.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
VIRUS motorgliders ???
You too can be the envy of the tea party when you tell 'em...
Ya got a.... VIRUS in Slovenia.
Barnyard BOb- not from Madison Avenue
P.S.
I didn't mention SINUS.....
cause mine are in good shape.
However, it might be worth noting that anyone
looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
the difference between disaster and success at times.
1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.
The guffaws have started ringing loud and clear throughout
the aviation land already. Good thing this isn't baseball.
Barnyard BOb --image can mean everything
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dream wings was choosing a new name for their plane,
they thought valkyrie was a neat one,
I suggested The Shyster
someone made a nice plane, side by side, and called it a Wizard, the
name of a really sloppy flying quick clone from the early 80's,,,,,,,,
--
Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales http://www.trikite.com
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620 mailto:mark (AT) trikite (DOT) com
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nobody@nowhere.net
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders |
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:30:00 -0400, "Ron Natalie" <ron (AT) sensor (DOT) com>
wrote:
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:"Rick Pellicciotti" <rick (AT) spitfire (DOT) org> wrote
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:> I'm reminded of the marketing goof by Mitsubishi when they first brought out
:> the MU-2:
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:> "Brought to you by the same people that brought you the Zero!"
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:> OUCH
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:My ex-marketing guy's favorite line used to be "If you can't stand the heat,
:stay out of Nagasaki." I tried to keep him away from our Japanese customers.
When Mitsubishi was getting ready to launch a sports car in the US a
few years ago they hired a NY advertizing firm and tried to run the
campaign from Japan. They sent pictures and video footage and their
Japanese advertizing, but all the text was in Japanese (no surprise).
The NY firm called their Japanese contact and asked what the car was
named. They were told "Starrion." So they built a campaign around
the name "Starrion" and printed literature and started buying ad
space.
It wasn't until ads had been running in the US for a month that
someone found out the car was supposed to be named "Stallion."
===
My name is Nobody
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Vaughn Simon
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders |
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"Barnyard BOb --" <rv3 (AT) hotmail (DOT) net> wrote
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However, it might be worth noting that anyone
looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
the difference between disaster and success at times.
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One famous example of an international marketing disaster is the time
that GM decided to market the Nova in South America. I guess they didn't
have any hispanics on their marketing team, or they would have picked up on
the fact that "Nova" can be translated in Spanish as "No Go", and they
probably would have taken the simple step of marketing the car under a
different name! Needless to say, they sold few "No Gos" in South America.
Vaughn
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1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.
The guffaws have started ringing loud and clear throughout
the aviation land already. Good thing this isn't baseball.
Barnyard BOb --image can mean everything
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Chuck Scrivner
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders (Regs) |
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Re: FAA (US)
Thread : Number 19 of 74 in thread
Author : Adp <adpratt (AT) charter (DOT) net>
Date/Time: 21:18 18 August 2003
Wrote;
A motor glider is NOT a powered Aircraft!!!! It is
a glider with a motor.
Check your airworthiness certificate. It says GLIDER.
No rule applicable to powered aircraft is applicable
to a Motor Glider. Let me say it one more time, a motor
glider is a GLIDER with a Motor and is NOT a powered
aircraft. Write it 1000 times, a motor glider is a
GLIDER!
Allan
*********
Chuck Writes;
This has been very interesting discussion of the ELT
requirements related to Motorgliders. And much was
written related to the regulations.
The SSA Governmental Liaison responds with the correct
interpretation below (referenced web link provided)
From the SSA;
Frequent Questions
3/6/2002
SSA GOVERNMENT LIAISON
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
(March 6, 2002)
DOES MY GLIDER OR MOTORGLIDER REQUIRE AN EMERGENCY
LOCATOR TRANSMITTER (ELT) ?
NO.
FAR 91.207(a) states that the EMERGENCY locator transmitters
must be carried aboard U. S. registered civil AIRPLANES.
Gliders and motorgliders carry a U.S. airworthiness
certificate that states 'Glider' and therefore are
not affected by this rule.
http://www.ssa.org/ListGovtNewsDetail.asp?Action=&id=26
But, lets not stop there related to definitions, regulations
and requirements.
My focus is upon Private Glider Pilot-in fixed wing
experimental
aircraft as an alternative to the Sport Pilot initiative
with it's focus on no medical required.
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The Private Glider Pilot Certificate is already available
to the pilot that is unable to obtain a medical, but
still wants to fly. |
| Quote: | It appears that these privileges AND AIRCRAFT capabilities
are far greater than those offered by the Sport Pilot
Proposal. And, the Infrastructure for training and |
certification is already in place.
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These greater privileges include;
no medical (self cert) (Sport requires State Driver
license)
no weight restriction (Sport = 1235lbs Gross)
no passenger restriction (surprised?) (Sport = 2 px)
no speed restriction (Sport =132mph)
no restriction on retractable gear (Sport =restricted)
no restriction of in-flight adjustable prop. (Sport
= restricted)
no multi engine or type restriction (Sport = single
engine )
no altitude restrictions (including Class A windows)
(Sport
=10,000ft)
no airspace restrictions (Sport = Endorsement required
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no ELT requirements (Sport = for more than one
seat - required -
no transponder requirement in Mode-C veil (Sport
= required -)
flight at night permitted (Sport = Restricted to
Day VFR with
greater visibility requirements : 3 mile Class G)
Transitional training for Private Pilot serves as
BFR and is only 3 hours
Minimum new Glider student Training hours =10. (Sport
= 17hours)
Recognised by IOAC - Sport and Rec.Pilot not recognised
Flight outside US borders permited - Sport/Rec. =no
No make/model endorsement requirements. (Sport = requires
endorsement for EACH make and model)
(Make and model endorsement required of all Private
Pilots
flying under Sport Privileges without a medical)
No Tailwheel endorsement required (Sport = standards
set within the FAR's)
No endorsement for 'complex' operations - (Variable
pitch prop, retract gear, flaps) Sport = don't even
think about it |
| Quote: | No endorsement for 'high performance' Glider (greater
than 200 HP.) Part 61.31(e) (f)
(if you doubt any of these findings, please site the
appropriate FAR that contradicts.
Within the regulations for certification/registration
of
EXPERIMENTAL aircraft, (Special Airworthiness) there |
are no minimum requirements related to the designs,
flight characteristics, weight or configuration for
the registration/airworthyness certifications of an
EXPERIMENTAL > glider (motorglider...motor does not
| Quote: | appear on the registration)
Therefore, I think it very possible to register any
experimental aircraft as experimental glider and enjoy
all of the privileges associated with that pilot certification. |
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As an example of one such registration, I submit the
following,
A Quicksilver MXII Ultralight trainer. -
BURNS JOHN M III
Model Name : QCKSLVR MX 2 SPRINT
Manufacturer : BURNS JOHN M III
Model Name : QCKSLVR MX 2 SPRINT
Aircraft Type : Glider
N-number : N62538
Engine Type : Reciprocating
Aircraft Category : Land
Number of Engines : 1
Number of Seats : 2
Max. Gross Weight : Less than 12,500 lbs
Amateur Certification : Yes
Aircraft Code : 05607UQ
AND
Burt Rutan's 16 ft wing span, rocket powered -
SpaceShipOne rocket-propelled glider
http://www.compositesworld.com/hpc/issues/2003/July/150
'the current craft, expected to be certified as an
'experimental research and development glider,' could
not see commercial service, (because of it's experimental |
registration) but Rutan considers it a 'subscale proof-of-concept
design for a ten-person spacecraft'more suitable for
a tourist venture.
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Below is the FAA web site for the certification of
aircraft
http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/
It is primarily broken down into 'Standard Airworthiness'
(manufactured)
And 'Special Airworthyness' (homebuilt/experimental)
Under STANDARD AIRWORTINESS, 'guidelines' are given
to manufactures of aircraft, including gliders.
WITHIN this STANDARD AIRWORTHINESS area is -> FAA Advisory
Circular 21.17-2A,
Type Certification - Fixed Wing Gliders (Sailplanes) |
Including Powered Gliders. (MANUFACTURED type certificated)
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Please click on the pdf. file and note the 'guidelines'
for
MANUFACTURED gliders...ie 'maximum' (what ever that
is) weight divided by wingspan Sq. must be less that
0.62 '
and maximum seats - 2
This ADVISORY CIRCULAR is to be used as a GUIDELINE
for the manufacture of STANDARD airworthiness aircraft
(gliders) -
FAA Advisory Circular 21.17-2A, Type Certification
- Fixed Wing Gliders (Sailplanes) Including Powered
Gliders.
It is interesting to note, that the Schweitser SGS
2-33 is
certificated for 3 passengers.....When the guidelines
call out for 2 passengers.......Hence, 'guidlines'...not
regulations |
Under SPECIAL AIRWORTHINESS, guidelines are given
for all other aircraft that are NOT 'STANDARD' ie.
Experimental, Primary Category restricted, limited,
special use.
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Within the SPECIAL AIRWORTHINESS guidelines, FAA states
that their intent is not to certify or restrict the
types of designs that an 'experimental' builder might |
use.
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AGAIN, the address is -
http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/
AND the document will appear - Airworthiness Certification
FAQ
Standard Airworthiness Certificate:
http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/
Normal Category
Utility Category
Acrobatic Category
Commuter Category
Transport Category
Manned Free Balloons
Special Classes of Aircraft
Special Airworthiness Certificate:
http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/
Primary Category
Restricted Category
Limited Category
Provisional Category
Special Flight Permits
Experimental Category
Multiple Certificates
Special Flight Authorization
Export Approvals
Import Approvals
Another interesting finding, An Airplane is required
to have
wings....A glider is not required to have wings...only
'lifting
surfaces' See definitions in Part 1 of FAR's
Your input is welcomed
Chuck
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rick.pitcher@verizon.net
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders |
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Barnyard BOb -- wrote:
| Quote: | I didn't mention SINUS.....
cause mine are in good shape.
However, it might be worth noting that anyone
looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
the difference between disaster and success at times.
1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.
The guffaws have started ringing loud and clear throughout
the aviation land already. Good thing this isn't baseball.
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Brings to mind the "WANG" computer.
In the computer world, "smaller, faster, cheaper" has always been the
mantra.
Now who in the hell would want a smaller, faster, cheaper Wang???
Rick P.
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Rich Carr
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders |
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X-No-Archive: yes
"Vaughn Simon" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote
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One famous example of an international marketing disaster is the time
that GM decided to market the Nova in South America. I guess they didn't
have any hispanics on their marketing team, or they would have picked up on
the fact that "Nova" can be translated in Spanish as "No Go", and they
probably would have taken the simple step of marketing the car under a
different name! Needless to say, they sold few "No Gos" in South America.
Vaughn
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Not according to Snopes.
http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp
- Rich Carr
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Robertmudd1u
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders |
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In article <4s7ulvghu38ufuo9nuqed8gn3lc2s9096a (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, Barnyard BOb --
<rv3 (AT) hotmail (DOT) net> writes:
| Quote: | You too can be the envy of the tea party when you tell 'em...
Ya got a.... VIRUS in Slovenia.
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All such thoughts will go away when you fly one. They are very nice flying
motorgliders, easy to land too. As far as I could tell the advertized
performance figures are met.
Robert Mudd
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Vaughn
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders |
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"Rich Carr" <rjcg (AT) lambent (DOT) net> wrote
Snopes can go work it out with my Marketing professor...and with the
hispanic who works for me who claims that the story is quite true. The fact
that GM denies it in their "official" history does not, nor should not, draw
much water.
Vaughn
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Tim
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders |
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[email]rick.pitcher (AT) verizon (DOT) nets[/email] comments read:
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Barnyard BOb -- wrote:
I didn't mention SINUS.....
cause mine are in good shape.
However, it might be worth noting that anyone
looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
the difference between disaster and success at times.
1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.
The guffaws have started ringing loud and clear throughout
the aviation land already. Good thing this isn't baseball.
Brings to mind the "WANG" computer.
In the computer world, "smaller, faster, cheaper" has always been the
mantra.
Now who in the hell would want a smaller, faster, cheaper Wang???
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And let us not forget their "Cares" campaign with the "Wang Cares"
T-shirts 
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Tim - ASW20CL "20"
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Gig Giacona
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders |
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"Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM (AT) att (DOT) fake.net> wrote
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"Rich Carr" <rjcg (AT) lambent (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:ca5e1f6c.0309101311.3cb42e26 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Not according to Snopes.
http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp
Snopes can go work it out with my Marketing professor...and with the
hispanic who works for me who claims that the story is quite true. The
fact
that GM denies it in their "official" history does not, nor should not,
draw
much water.
Vaughn
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Did you actually read the Snopes article? They hardly rely only on GM's
"official" history in the debunking of the legend.
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