AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Jeppeson          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aviators (General Discussions) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Aluckyguess Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Jeppeson Jeppeson sure has a nice little monopoly going. $760.00 to get the updates for my mx 20 and Apollo 60 GPS. Dang. Back to top Mxsmanic Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Jeppeson Blanche writes: Quote: Not really. Creating the distribution media is pushing the button. But acquiring the data from the appropriate CAA (civil aeronautical agency), verifying & validating it, then ensuring it's in a format suitable for distribution for the corresponding hardware/software... That's what you're really paying for. Over, and over, and over, even though it's a one-time conversion, highly automated, that costs very little. There are no white-haired scribes transferring data from one sheet of parchment to another, even though the final product is priced as though there were. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. Back to top Blanche Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Jeppeson Mxsmanic <mxsmanic (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Aluckyguess writes: Jeppeson sure has a nice little monopoly going. $760.00 to get the updates for my mx 20 and Apollo 60 GPS. Dang. And the margins are probably around 99.9999%, since generating an update probably requires no more than pressing a button. Not really. Creating the distribution media is pushing the button. But acquiring the data from the appropriate CAA (civil aeronautical agency), verifying & validating it, then ensuring it's in a format suitable for distribution for the corresponding hardware/software... That's what you're really paying for. Of course I'm not a happy camper either, when I need to update the GPS. But at least I understand the process involved. Back to top Mxsmanic Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Jeppeson Aluckyguess writes: Quote: Jeppeson sure has a nice little monopoly going. $760.00 to get the updates for my mx 20 and Apollo 60 GPS. Dang. And the margins are probably around 99.9999%, since generating an update probably requires no more than pressing a button. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. Back to top Crash Lander Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Jeppeson "Aluckyguess" <no (AT) me (DOT) com> wrote in message news:O9%Qh.5848$f63.822 (AT) newsfe06 (DOT) lga... Quote: Jeppeson sure has a nice little monopoly going. $760.00 to get the updates for my mx 20 and Apollo 60 GPS. Dang. How often do you have to update? Crash Lander Back to top Mxsmanic Guest Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Jeppeson Maxwell writes: Quote: You don't even understand your operating system do you? I used to write operating systems. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. Back to top Maxwell Guest Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Jeppeson "Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:f99j13t0omm0f0qlp9ivr9r5laicsri4nc (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Quote: Maxwell writes: You're the living version of Wikipedia, you tell us? I already have. No you didn't dip shit, you just asked the question, that's why you snipped your question. Back to top Maxwell Guest Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Jeppeson "Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:db9j135q864mog250i30rlo39nijog3c4g (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Quote: Ron Natalie writes: 91.9 says I must operate in compliance with the operating limitations for my aircraft. The Flight Manual supplement for the IFR GPS is such a limitation. What flight manual supplement? Section 91.9 requires that you respect limitations in the flight manual. But if no limitation is in that manual, 91.9 does not apply. You're essentially saying "it's not allowed if it's not allowed," but if it's not disallowed, that statement is moot. He just told you, and you just snipped it. Clearly you are simply just trolling again. Back to top Mxsmanic Guest Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Jeppeson Judah writes: Quote: How is 91.205 relevant? It establishes the minimum default equipment complement for certain categories of flight. For example, 91.205(b) establishes the minimum equipment required for VFR flight during the day. Quote: GPS is not discussed at all in that section. Because GPS is not required equipment. QED. Quote: How is 91.213 relevant? The GPS, while not up to date, still operates. 91.213 defines the conditions under which an aircraft may be flown when one or more pieces of equipment or instruments on the aircraft are inoperative. Since the FARs don't specifically address the currency of GPS databases, at worst a GPS with an expired database could be considered inoperative, thus 91.213 applies. Under this section, if a valid MEL exists, and the GPS with a current databases is on it, and it is not allowed to be inoperative for the category of flight you have in mind on the MEL, you may not fly with an expired database. If no MEL exists, you can fly, because GPS with a current database is not otherwise required for any general categories of flight, provided that you do not consider it a hazard (using it as the sole means of navigation would make an inoperative or out of date GPS a hazard). And so on. In summary, if no document exists that says you must have an operative GPS with a current database to fly, and you are not relying on the GPS as your sole means of navigation, you can fly with a non-current database. Nevertheless, if you have an accident because you used expired data from the database, you can still get in trouble, because either (1) it was in fact your sole means of navigation, in which case you were negligent in not keeping it current; or (2) it was not your only means of navigation but you failed to cross-check it against other sources that were current, which is also negligent on your part. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. 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