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Clive
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 Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject: Dawning of a new era |
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So we have the outcome that some of us fully expected. It's exactly what I
predicted - a sale must happen, BAA have the choice which to sell and a 2
year time limit.
It's a slightly bittersweet moment in that BAA are a victim of their own
success. We should thank them for the job they have done for Scotland over
the last 30 years but can now look forward to real change with renewed
optimism.
The only reservation I have is that GLA (assuming that is the one they are
going to sell) will be in a state of limbo for up to another 2 years. I
don't see BAA having the appetite to appeal which would just drag things on
even longer, and we'll just have to hope that a sale goes through as soon as
possible so both airports can get on with what they need to do. In any case
the future's roadmap has totally changed from today onwards.
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Dawning of a new era |
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:15:54 -0000, "Clive"
<clivebraham (AT) nospamorange (DOT) net> wrote:
| Quote: | The only reservation I have is that GLA (assuming that is the one they are
going to sell) will be in a state of limbo for up to another 2 years.
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BAAs prices at Glasgow have fallen about 14 per cent relative to its
prices at Edinburgh since the sale of Prestwick.
The CC also highlights the Glasgow-exclusive Winter discount.
Nothing about the 25% Glasgow T2 discounts... I wonder if the CC knew?
Any outfit buying Glasgow will have to offer even deeper discounts
than those currently on BAA offer. I suspect huge job and quality
losses to achieve this.
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Edinburgh Scotland International Airport
Scotland's busiest/convenient/accessible/profitable airport
The International Gateway with Scotland's busiest runway. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Dawning of a new era |
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On Mar 19, 5:15 am, "Clive" <clivebra...@nospamorange.net> wrote:
| Quote: | So we have the outcome that some of us fully expected. It's exactly what I
predicted - a sale must happen, BAA have the choice which to sell and a 2
year time limit.
It's a slightly bittersweet moment in that BAA are a victim of their own
success. We should thank them for the job they have done for Scotland over
the last 30 years but can now look forward to real change with renewed
optimism.
The only reservation I have is that GLA (assuming that is the one they are
going to sell) will be in a state of limbo for up to another 2 years. I
don't see BAA having the appetite to appeal which would just drag things on
even longer, and we'll just have to hope that a sale goes through as soon as
possible so both airports can get on with what they need to do. In any case
the future's roadmap has totally changed from today onwards.
C
Hi Clive, |
From what I gather the two year time scale does apply,but BAA will
sell three airports off in the sequence of,
1.LGW
2.STN
3.GLA/EDI/ABZ
So,I can see a further two years of little or no real effort at GLA in
termes of routes/airlines etc which is not exactly what we were hoping
for.In a way,if the under investment continues,it could make a very
attractive proposition for would be buyers,i.e,the airport would not
remain at the reported £1.2billion price tag because it would have
little going for it.
Assuming of course that BAA choose GLA and also assuming that they
don't appeal and drag it all out another year or so.By the way,are BAA
(Ferrovial) not struggling to find a buyer for LGW?
I also don't subscribe to thanking BAA for what they've 'done' at GLA
since 1975 because in the general scheme of things I think someone
else would've done much better!EDI obviously being a different story.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Dawning of a new era |
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On Mar 19, 7:46 pm, "Iain" <iain1...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | "Clive" <clivebra...@nospamorange.net> wrote in message
news:72erc0FpjtjfU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net...
So we have the outcome that some of us fully expected. It's exactly what I
predicted - a sale must happen, BAA have the choice which to sell and a 2
year time limit.
It's a slightly bittersweet moment in that BAA are a victim of their own
success. We should thank them for the job they have done for Scotland over
the last 30 years but can now look forward to real change with renewed
optimism.
The only reservation I have is that GLA (assuming that is the one they are
going to sell) will be in a state of limbo for up to another 2 years. I
don't see BAA having the appetite to appeal which would just drag things
on even longer, and we'll just have to hope that a sale goes through as
soon as possible so both airports can get on with what they need to do. In
any case the future's roadmap has totally changed from today onwards.
C
I think the 2 year sale period is far to long and bad news for the airport
to be sold. Once the decision's made, probably relatively soon, what
incentive do BAA have to do anything at the one to be sold? Absolutely none.
Why chase new routes? Indeed, if someone approaches them about flying from
the sale airport, they will (quite rightly from a business point of view)
try everything in their power to make them fly from the one they're keeping.
Similarly, there will be a clear temptation to move flagship routes to the
other. Any sale period needs to be monitored by the commission to make sure
there are no dirty tricks.
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Yes it is a bit worrying however hopefully something will be put in
place to save the airport which is to be sold off from being run down
in favour of the other........hang on, is that not what has been
happening for the last couple of years.  )
The only good thing is I hear that there is a recession in the UK so
probably not much expansion would be going on anyway. Praise due to
the old BAA and not the new Spanish owners Clive they have been a
disaster since they took over.
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You Really Couldn't Make
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Dawning of a new era |
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On Mar 19, 8:16 pm, Joe Curry <jcurr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
"Oh dear, what a short memory Bill, it wasn't so long ago that BAA's
performance at Glasgow was lauded day and daily in aaug. 'Team
Glasgow' becoming the new catchphrase..."
"Edinburgh Scotland International Airport
Scotland's busiest/convenient/accessible/profitable airport
The International Gateway with Scotland's busiest runway."
"Any disgruntled BAA staff who wish to let me know about BAA's
policy of promoting GLA to the detriment of EDI please email me
in confidence.
I am compiling a dossier of BAA's mismanagement and have already
accumulated some really damming evidence that I will present to
the Scottish parliament.
I do not wish to hear about work conditions or rates of pay or any
trivial tittle-tattle, just the facts about BAA's bias against EDI." |
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Dawning of a new era |
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:52:51 -0700 (PDT), william.barton (AT) hotmail (DOT) co.uk
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| Quote: | don't appeal and drag it all out another year or so.By the way,are BAA
(Ferrovial) not struggling to find a buyer for LGW?
I also don't subscribe to thanking BAA for what they've 'done' at GLA
since 1975 because in the general scheme of things I think someone
else would've done much better!
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Oh dear, what a short memory Bill, it wasn't so long ago that BAA's
performance at Glasgow was lauded day and daily in aaug. 'Team
Glasgow' becoming the new catchphrase...
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Scotland's busiest/convenient/accessible/profitable airport
The International Gateway with Scotland's busiest runway. |
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Dawning of a new era |
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:59:51 -0700 (PDT), hiddelston (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote:
| Quote: | Yes it is a bit worrying however hopefully something will be put in
place to save the airport which is to be sold off from being run down
in favour of the other........hang on,
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Like PIK? Cast your mind back....
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Scotland's busiest/convenient/accessible/profitable airport
The International Gateway with Scotland's busiest runway. |
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Dawning of a new era |
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:46:42 -0000, "Iain" <iain1978 (AT) tiscali (DOT) co.uk>
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| Quote: | I think the 2 year sale period is far to long and bad news for the airport
to be sold. Once the decision's made, probably relatively soon, what
incentive do BAA have to do anything at the one to be sold? Absolutely none.
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Other than transferring assets from one to the other?
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Scotland's busiest/convenient/accessible/profitable airport
The International Gateway with Scotland's busiest runway. |
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Iain
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: Dawning of a new era |
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"Clive" <clivebraham (AT) nospamorange (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:72erc0FpjtjfU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net...
| Quote: | So we have the outcome that some of us fully expected. It's exactly what I
predicted - a sale must happen, BAA have the choice which to sell and a 2
year time limit.
It's a slightly bittersweet moment in that BAA are a victim of their own
success. We should thank them for the job they have done for Scotland over
the last 30 years but can now look forward to real change with renewed
optimism.
The only reservation I have is that GLA (assuming that is the one they are
going to sell) will be in a state of limbo for up to another 2 years. I
don't see BAA having the appetite to appeal which would just drag things
on even longer, and we'll just have to hope that a sale goes through as
soon as possible so both airports can get on with what they need to do. In
any case the future's roadmap has totally changed from today onwards.
C
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I think the 2 year sale period is far to long and bad news for the airport
to be sold. Once the decision's made, probably relatively soon, what
incentive do BAA have to do anything at the one to be sold? Absolutely none.
Why chase new routes? Indeed, if someone approaches them about flying from
the sale airport, they will (quite rightly from a business point of view)
try everything in their power to make them fly from the one they're keeping.
Similarly, there will be a clear temptation to move flagship routes to the
other. Any sale period needs to be monitored by the commission to make sure
there are no dirty tricks. |
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Clive
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:06 am Post subject: Re: Dawning of a new era |
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"Damian" <damianlearyo (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:5ebe3323-9564-4fb8-9f24-9a9845443f73 (AT) t3g2000yqa (DOT) googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | On 19 Mar, 12:15, "Clive" <clivebra...@nospamorange.net> wrote:
So we have the outcome that some of us fully expected. It's exactly what
I
predicted - a sale must happen, BAA have the choice which to sell and a 2
year time limit.
Well, we'll see if there's a legal challenge. Remember the CC can no
more operate outside the law than BAA can. If there's a legal case to
be made then it's right and proper that BAA is given the opportunity
to make it.
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That's right. Time will tell if they have the appetite to appeal the
decision for Scotland. Personally I don't think they will.
I think that Ferrovial HQ will be content with the decision re Scotland at
least and I do think that BAA bosses have known what was going to happen for
quite some time and that Gordon Dewar moved along the M8 in the full
knowledge.
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It's a slightly bittersweet moment in that BAA are a victim of their own
success. We should thank them for the job they have done for Scotland
over
the last 30 years but can now look forward to real change with renewed
optimism.
I don't think that's guaranteed at all .... the last 10 years in
Scottish aviation has been a period of profound change, and despite
BAA owning both of Scotland's main airports .... can you honestly say
that new owners will guarantee that this will continue? They could
easily have the reverse effect!
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Well I've certainly got renewed optimism. I'd have been sick as a dog if the
CC had changed their mind and allowed the status quo. It's going to be great
fun from here on in.
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The only reservation I have is that GLA (assuming that is the one they
are
going to sell) will be in a state of limbo for up to another 2 years.
Well, this is the inevitable consequence of the process which you and
Joe have been craving, if you ask me. It's not just GLA in a state of
limbo either, it's EDI too after all ... don't forget that!
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Up to 2 years is a pain but no pain, no gain as they say and we are paving
the way for the long term. 2 years is the maximum, mind. It could happen a
lot sooner if buyers want it to, maybe before the year is out.
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I don't see BAA having the appetite to appeal which would just drag
things on
even longer, and we'll just have to hope that a sale goes through as soon
as
possible so both airports can get on with what they need to do. In any
case
the future's roadmap has totally changed from today onwards.
We'll see. I reckon BAA have a right to make their case.
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They do have the right to appeal, yes.
| Quote: | So far all
the CC has offered is political posturing ... I want them to produce
the hard evidence to back up their claim that airlines, and the
public, has been inconvenienced by the present ownership situation.
I'd also like to see the evidence supporting their apparent belief
that a forced separation will work in the public interest .... after
all, we've always like links in this newsgroup, haven't we? Shouldn't
we be demanding a link or two from the CC?
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I think there is a link to their full reasoning and findings though I
haven't seen it yet.
C |
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(Billy Gray)
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Dawning of a new era |
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On Mar 20, 8:54 am, Mister Niceguy <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Clive" <clivebra...@nospamorange.net> wrote innews:72erc0FpjtjfU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net:
I don't see BAA having the appetite to appeal which would just
drag things on even longer,
I do.
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So do I , although it will only lengthen the timescale of the
inevitable sale, which, financially, may suit BAA better ! |
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Mister Niceguy
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Dawning of a new era |
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"Clive" <clivebraham (AT) nospamorange (DOT) net> wrote in
news:72erc0FpjtjfU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net:
| Quote: | I don't see BAA having the appetite to appeal which would just
drag things on even longer,
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I do. |
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Mister Niceguy
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Dawning of a new era |
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Damian <damianlearyo (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
news:00e95375-3fd1-4603-9aa1-9cc7f0684edb (AT) t3g2000yqa (DOT) googlegroups.com:
| Quote: | Similarly, there will be a clear temptation to move flagship routes
to the other.
I don't see how.
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The CC does. That's exactly what they want to encourage.
| Quote: | Airlines choose the airports they operate from, not
the airport operator. But certainly the operator could make things
less attractive (e.g. landing fees) for any potential new operators if
they have a two-year period in which to 'groom' the other one for the
future.
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That's the critical point of the decision. The CC believes that
competition between the two is good, and that at present two airports under
common ownership don't compete. You, and BAA, take a different view - that
the two airports serve different markets and hence competition is
irrelevant.
| Quote: | But if they continued to have a vested interest in both, as they do
now, then they would be looking out for the interests of both ...
Any sale period needs to be monitored by the commission to make sure
there are no dirty tricks.- Hide quoted text -
I'm afraid the CC cannot have its cake and eat it.
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I wonder just how powerful they are, really. |
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Jim Mason
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Dawning of a new era |
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In article <Xns9BD45A958D1B2niceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>, me (AT) privacy (DOT) net
says...
| Quote: | "Clive" <clivebraham (AT) nospamorange (DOT) net> wrote in
news:72erc0FpjtjfU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net:
I don't see BAA having the appetite to appeal which would just
drag things on even longer,
I do.
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So do I and justly so. |
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Mister Niceguy
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Dawning of a new era |
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william.barton (AT) hotmail (DOT) co.uk wrote in
news:aa0cb338-5b29-436d-85a8-e6625c61dfcb (AT) o36g2000yqh (DOT) googlegroups.com:
| Quote: | On Mar 19, 5:15 am, "Clive" <clivebra...@nospamorange.net> wrote:
So we have the outcome that some of us fully expected. It's exactly
what
I
predicted - a sale must happen, BAA have the choice which to sell and
a 2 year time limit.
It's a slightly bittersweet moment in that BAA are a victim of their
own success. We should thank them for the job they have done for
Scotland ove
r
the last 30 years but can now look forward to real change with
renewed optimism.
The only reservation I have is that GLA (assuming that is the one
they ar
e
going to sell) will be in a state of limbo for up to another 2 years.
I don't see BAA having the appetite to appeal which would just drag
things
on
even longer, and we'll just have to hope that a sale goes through as
soon
as
possible so both airports can get on with what they need to do. In
any ca
se
the future's roadmap has totally changed from today onwards.
C
Hi Clive,
From what I gather the two year time scale does apply,but BAA will
sell three airports off in the sequence of,
1.LGW
2.STN
3.GLA/EDI/ABZ
So,I can see a further two years of little or no real effort at GLA in
termes of routes/airlines etc which is not exactly what we were hoping
for.In a way,if the under investment continues,it could make a very
attractive proposition for would be buyers,i.e,the airport would not
remain at the reported £1.2billion price tag because it would have
little going for it.
Assuming of course that BAA choose GLA and also assuming that they
don't appeal and drag it all out another year or so.By the way,are BAA
(Ferrovial) not struggling to find a buyer for LGW?
I also don't subscribe to thanking BAA for what they've 'done' at GLA
since 1975 because in the general scheme of things I think someone
else would've done much better!EDI obviously being a different story.
Bill
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BAA don't want to sell either airport. If they have to sell then
they'll listen to offers for either or both. Every business has its
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