AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  CASA Forum          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Planes, gliders and flying in Australia View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Coop Guest Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 4:33 pm    Post subject: CASA Forum Went to a CASA forum at Aldinga this week. The two subjects were VCA (Violations of Controlled Airspace) and pilot maintenance. The VCA segment was excellent- the chap had done his homework and had illustrations showing local problems and the likely causes of them. He also injected some humour which was relevant to the subject matter and also made valid points. The pilot maintenance was also interesting, but I couldn't help thinking that the discussion was limited by adherence to the "company line" (Schedule 8: and I make no judgement on the chap for doing this- he has to keep his job to pay for his mortgage/kid's education/aviation habit : delete whichever doesn't apply) so some of the points raised were basically just met with "You can't do that" or "I'll find out for you". And he was as good as his word- today I got an email from the guy answering some of my questions. Here's the questions and the answers I received: 1. Are gliders subject to Schedule 8 Pilot Maintenance Tasks?? Pilot maintenance for gliders is not covered by Schedule 8. The Gliding Federation of Australia controls the maintenance for gliders. CAR 42ZC permits the holder of a pilots licence to do the maintenance listed in the Schedule. Regulation 2 defines a pilot licence only as a licence for a powered aircraft. 2. Can a pilot of a fabric aeroplane (such as your Auster…) repair small tears/holes/rips in the fabric? The short answer that I have been advised is that this task is beyond the scope of Schedule 8, so it cannot be done under this Schedule. You may wish to ask the CASA office in Adelaide for the issue of an Airworthiness Authority to perform this task. 3. What about the pilot adjusting the tappets in old aircraft engines, such as you have suggested every 25hrs?? Again John, the short answer is no. However I have been advised that if the pilot is trained in this procedure, there may be a case for issuing an Airworthiness Authority for this task. A phone call to one of the Airworthiness guys in the CASA office in Adelaide should give you a readout on this. So, there you have it. I have a couple of questions of my own for chaps here: I've been out of the gliding scene for quite some time now- what is the situation in regards to glider pilots doing maintenance on gliders? Is there a schedule, and can this be extended by some form of "authority". Has anyone here ever had their competence to perform a task not included in schedule 8 (such as minor fabric repairs, or tappet adjustment on their own aircraft) "authorised" by CASA? If so, how did you go about it and how long did it take? What is the situation with respect to recreational aircraft? Regards Coop Back to top Paul Repacholi Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: CASA Forum Coop <vhbdq (AT) chariotnose (DOT) netwheel.au> writes: Quote: I've been out of the gliding scene for quite some time now- what is the situation in regards to glider pilots doing maintenance on gliders? Is there a schedule, and can this be extended by some form of "authority". You need a GFA maintainance authority for the construction type, metal, GFRP or rag. There is also a Daily Inspection and Form 2 (anual sort of) tickets. Back to top Coop Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: CASA Forum On Sat, 12 May 2007 08:52:06 GMT, veritas <veritas (AT) coldmail (DOT) con> wrote: Quote: I had one for the Hiller 12E. The company's chief engineer run me through the inspection (50 hourly I *think* ) and deemed me competent. I filled in a from and the c/lame certified it and the authority arrived in the mail. It was only valid for inspections to be signed off when out in the scrub and no lames were available. I know it relates to a different category to the type you enquired about - but it was a seamless procedure Thanks. Nice to know that the procedure is relatively straightforward, and there is a fair chance I won't be wasting my time. Regards Coop Back to top Ric Guest Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: CASA Forum "Coop" <vhbdq (AT) chariotnose (DOT) netwheel.au> wrote in message news:mioa431b6u829qt8b5jmgeaj8cb9833hpv (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Quote: On Sat, 12 May 2007 16:32:46 +1000, "RT" <notr.thomas (AT) nowhere (DOT) com.au wrote: Has anyone here ever had their competence to perform a task not included in schedule 8 (such as minor fabric repairs, or tappet adjustment on their own aircraft) "authorised" by CASA? If so, how did you go about it and how long did it take? A long time ago the 'work around' was accomplished by the issuing of a "Maintenance Authorisation" IIRC. I had one for radio for a while as there was nobody in CQ with a radio ticket at that time. It was restricted in that it applied only to our own a/c and couldn't be used to sign off anything other than routine inspections. All our stuff operated under VFR so there were no hi-tech or critical radio bits and pieces. Thanks RT. Seems like it is possible and doesn't include mountains of paperwork. I'm thinking of applying for one as a test case- to see how difficult it is and what the requirements are. I might try the fabric repair one first- I have a piece of paper from the Vintage Glider Association which says I am competent on fabric covering of gliders- don't know how much weight that will carry... Regards Coop Most Maintenance Authorities I have seen issued were to LAMEs employed by Maint Organisations. This was to overcome the shortage of properly licenced guys in the hangar. Before the MA would be issued, it had to be shown that the applicant was competent to carry out the job and there was making an effort to gain the licence. The other requirement was lack of a licenced guy in the area. CASA usually issue these thing to enable a organisation to "get by" because they have no other options. It will be interesting to see how you go Coop, as an individual A/C owner. It would make life a lot easier for you rag and tube/wood guys if CASA come to the party. Ric Back to top cfparson Guest Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: CASA Forum Coop wrote: Quote: Went to a CASA forum at Aldinga this week. The two subjects were VCA (Violations of Controlled Airspace) and pilot maintenance. The VCA segment was excellent- the chap had done his homework and had illustrations showing local problems and the likely causes of them. He also injected some humour which was relevant to the subject matter and also made valid points. It seems that over the last 12-18 months, CASA has really tightened up restrictions of flying through Controlled Airspace around Adelaide. Particularly the 500 foot coastal. Did they mention anything about this, and their plans for the future? Back to top Coop Guest Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: CASA Forum On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:02:32 +0930, cfparson <cfparson (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Coop wrote: Went to a CASA forum at Aldinga this week. The two subjects were VCA (Violations of Controlled Airspace) and pilot maintenance. The VCA segment was excellent- the chap had done his homework and had illustrations showing local problems and the likely causes of them. He also injected some humour which was relevant to the subject matter and also made valid points. It seems that over the last 12-18 months, CASA has really tightened up restrictions of flying through Controlled Airspace around Adelaide. Particularly the 500 foot coastal. Did they mention anything about this, and their plans for the future? Nope. But we didn't ask, either. The "hot spots" identified were near South Para, (confusion of one reservoir with the other) and near Strathalbyn (difficulty identifying the boundary of the 2,500' step along the Strathalbyn VFR route.) It was suggested that Meadows be used as the reporting point as it is closer to the 2,500'/4,500' step. Coop Back to top Stealth Pilot Guest Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: CASA Forum On Sun, 13 May 2007 17:50:27 +1000, "RT" <notr.thomas (AT) nowhere (DOT) com.au> wrote: Quote: "Ric" <someone (AT) microsoft (DOT) com> wrote in message news:46466b16$0$27448$afc38c87 (AT) news (DOT) optusnet.com.au... Most Maintenance Authorities I have seen issued were to LAMEs employed by Maint Organisations. This was to overcome the shortage of properly licenced guys in the hangar. Before the MA would be issued, it had to be shown that the applicant was competent to carry out the job and there was making an effort to gain the licence. The other requirement was lack of a licenced guy in the area. CASA usually issue these thing to enable a organisation to "get by" because they have no other options. Yep - that was exactly my/our situation, except they knew damn well I had no intention of getting up to speed on radio :-) It will be interesting to see how you go Coop, as an individual A/C owner. It would make life a lot easier for you rag and tube/wood guys if CASA come to the party. At least it is an existing avenue for a dispensation, even if the usual requirements have to be "bent" a little bit.... casa will not issue maintenance authorisations to private pilots. beware that the altruism of applying will now cost you about $150 per hour for the refusal. I applied for one for many years citing evidence of demonstrated safe practise which fell on deaf (or cussedly stupid ) ears. so I now do it all anyway. 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