AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Glass vs. Charts Goto page 1, 2  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aviation (Students) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Mxsmanic Guest Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject: Glass vs. Charts When you are flying (and assuming you have a GPS with electronic chart databases), do you usually use paper charts for navigation (looking up frequencies, checking for restricted airspace, etc.) or do you look it up on your GPS, and why? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. Back to top Mxsmanic Guest Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject: Re: Glass vs. Charts jimp (AT) specsol (DOT) spam.sux.com writes: Quote: I do all that and more before I leave the house because that is what you are supposed to do. Then why do GPS units also provide this information? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. Back to top Paul kgyy Guest Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject: Re: Glass vs. Charts On Apr 10, 9:07 pm, Mxsmanic <mxsma...@gmail.com> wrote: Quote: j...@specsol.spam.sux.com writes: I do all that and more before I leave the house because that is what you are supposed to do. Then why do GPS units also provide this information? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. Because they can. Another example of overdesign, though sometimes I admit it's handy to have it in the GPS. Back to top Guest Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject: Re: Glass vs. Charts In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic <mxsmanic (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: jimp (AT) specsol (DOT) spam.sux.com writes: I do all that and more before I leave the house because that is what you are supposed to do. Then why do GPS units also provide this information? Marketing. Of the things you mentioned, the only thing I find useful in flight is airspace boundaries and then only when maneuvering around an airport that is adjacent to or under some controlled airspace. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. Back to top Guest Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject: Re: Glass vs. Charts In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic <mxsmanic (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: When you are flying (and assuming you have a GPS with electronic chart databases), do you usually use paper charts for navigation (looking up frequencies, checking for restricted airspace, etc.) or do you look it up on your GPS, and why? I do all that and more before I leave the house because that is what you are supposed to do. As to the source, it is a mix of sectional, AF/D, Flight Guide, and the AOPA airport diagrams. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. Back to top Mxsmanic Guest Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:36 am    Post subject: Re: Glass vs. Charts Jim Stewart writes: Quote: http://flighttraining.aopa.org/ft_magazine/fullstory.cfm?id=5846&issue_title=January%202007 Very interesting ... and much in agreement with some of the things I've already mentioned myself (with respect to the _necessity_ of current databases). Also, it's nice to see something on that site that doesn't require membership to view. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. Back to top Ed Guest Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: Glass vs. Charts I used to have them all ready when I lived in the midwest... in Florida under IFR flight plan, my routes get changes everytime I change controllers. I do keep the arrival/departure freqs handy but the VORs I look up on an as needed basis usually on the low altitude IFR charts. I find it faster than on the GPS and I can hold them up in front of my instruments so I can keep up the scan. jimp (AT) specsol (DOT) spam.sux.com wrote: Quote: In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic <mxsmanic (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: When you are flying (and assuming you have a GPS with electronic chart databases), do you usually use paper charts for navigation (looking up frequencies, checking for restricted airspace, etc.) or do you look it up on your GPS, and why? I do all that and more before I leave the house because that is what you are supposed to do. As to the source, it is a mix of sectional, AF/D, Flight Guide, and the AOPA airport diagrams. Back to top Robert M. Gary Guest Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Glass vs. Charts On Apr 11, 10:57 am, Jim Stewart <jstew...@jkmicro.com> wrote: Quote: Mxsmanic wrote: When you are flying (and assuming you have a GPS with electronic chart databases), do you usually use paper charts for navigation (looking up frequencies, checking for restricted airspace, etc.) or do you look it up on your GPS, and why? Read this... http://flighttraining.aopa.org/ft_magazine/fullstory.cfm?id=5846&issu... I certainly don't run down the the FBO the day I find my sectional is out of date. This is especially silly when your flight crosses 3 or 4 sectionals. I'm not going to keep the entire U.S. in my flight bag up to date. I do ensure my IFR charts are up to date though. -Robert Back to top B A R R Y Guest Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Glass vs. Charts Robert M. Gary wrote: Quote: I do ensure my IFR charts are up to date though. Some of the subscription services are great for this. I get charts, plates, etc... as they expire and only pay a few bucks extra for shipping. If it's a "foldable" chart (not an AF/D or NACO Plate Pack), I only pay $1 shipping through AvShop. Back to top Jose Guest Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:07 am    Post subject: Re: Glass vs. Charts Quote: I get charts, plates, etc... as they expire and only pay a few bucks extra for shipping. mypilotstore.com has them at a discount, with free shipping. It's what I do. Jose -- Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe, except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. Back to top Mark Hansen Guest Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:13 am    Post subject: Re: Glass vs. Charts On 05/08/07 15:07, Jose wrote: Quote: I get charts, plates, etc... as they expire and only pay a few bucks extra for shipping. mypilotstore.com has them at a discount, with free shipping. It's what I do. Jose It's even cheaper to get them direct from NACO, but you do have to pay for the annual subscription in advance. Back to top Mark Hansen Guest Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:21 am    Post subject: Re: Glass vs. Charts On 05/08/07 15:13, Mark Hansen wrote: Quote: On 05/08/07 15:07, Jose wrote: I get charts, plates, etc... as they expire and only pay a few bucks extra for shipping. mypilotstore.com has them at a discount, with free shipping. It's what I do. Jose It's even cheaper to get them direct from NACO, but you do have to pay for the annual subscription in advance. I meant to include that even the shipping on the A/FD is free. Back to top B A R R Y Guest Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Glass vs. Charts Mark Hansen wrote: Quote: On 05/08/07 15:13, Mark Hansen wrote: On 05/08/07 15:07, Jose wrote: I get charts, plates, etc... as they expire and only pay a few bucks extra for shipping. mypilotstore.com has them at a discount, with free shipping. It's what I do. Jose It's even cheaper to get them direct from NACO, but you do have to pay for the annual subscription in advance. I meant to include that even the shipping on the A/FD is free. Mark, I found the ordering and subscription site, but wonder if I could ask a few questions. Do you use the NACO subscription service? Do they notify you when a subscription is due to expire or if a shipment is the last of a subscription? How's the service? I use Avshop, but the NACO service you've pointed out is a far better deal! Thanks for the tips! Back to top Mark Hansen Guest Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Glass vs. Charts On 05/09/07 04:33, B A R R Y wrote: Quote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 05/08/07 15:13, Mark Hansen wrote: On 05/08/07 15:07, Jose wrote: I get charts, plates, etc... as they expire and only pay a few bucks extra for shipping. mypilotstore.com has them at a discount, with free shipping. It's what I do. Jose It's even cheaper to get them direct from NACO, but you do have to pay for the annual subscription in advance. I meant to include that even the shipping on the A/FD is free. Mark, I found the ordering and subscription site, but wonder if I could ask a few questions. Do you use the NACO subscription service? Yes. Quote: Do they notify you when a subscription is due to expire or if a shipment is the last of a subscription? Well, you pay for the subscription in advance, which is roughly one year of updates. I'm in my first subscription period now, so I can't say for sure what they will do when it is up, but the information on their site says they will notify well in advance such that you'll have time to re-order and not miss any updates. Quote: How's the service? So far, it's been great. I get the products on time - what else is there? :-) Quote: I use Avshop, but the NACO service you've pointed out is a far better deal! Thanks for the tips! I used AVShop as well - for a couple years. However, they increased their shipping charge on the A/FD to something like 3 to 4 dollars (IIRC) which seemed outrageous to me. I asked them about it a couple times and got nowhere, so I switched. Not only is the NACO subscription cheaper, but the shipping is free (even on the A/FD!). I don't mind that I have to pay in advance for the subscription, so it works out really well for me. Note that there are a couple other services out there that were pointed out to me when I was looking. The first was skygeek.com. They have sectionals for $5.99, but then charge $2.00 shipping. I don't remember what they charged for the A/FD. The other was mypilotstore.com. They were charging $7.25 for sectionals, and I'm not sure about a shipping charge. Best Regards, -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA Back to top Jose Guest Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Glass vs. Charts Quote: It's even cheaper to get them direct from NACO, but you do have to pay for the annual subscription in advance. Got a URL for them? Jose -- Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe, except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. 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