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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Mannesmann (Poll) Giant Triplane! Reply with quote



Guys,

It took me a while to track this damn plane all day as Poll on Google
yields nothing. I then resorted to Riesenflugzeug and finally narrowed
it down to the correct designation- Mannesmann-Poll Giant Triplane!
Took all day. But here is an interesting cross section of information.
I will track the wheel shortly, but here is that WW1 German Amerika
bomber!!!


Info:

1) Fahrzeugbau Brunning, Grossauheim/Villehard Forssman: This company
was leader in plywood manufacture (a new technology at the time) tied
closely to the Brusing-Deutsche Bank. It's chief designer (Forssman)
was active in R plane design for several firms and built the grandest
Giant plane of the era. The Poll Giant Tri-plane was a 10 engine
monster intended to bomb the USA. At the end of the war a prototype
was partly constructed.

2) Poll Giant Triplane Wheel (1994)
Restoration work was carried out on a wheel from the WWI Poll Giant
Triplane. The wheel is about 8 ft diameter and made solely from wood.
It is on display at the Manchester Science Museum.
-From the Bowers and McDowell book, "Triplanes":

3)Mannesmann (Poll) Triplane

This giant triplane seems to have been a dying gasp of the
German Air Force. It was meant to carry leaflets across
the Atlantic Ocean to drop on New York City. While the
designer's name seems to be a bit of a mystery, it is believed
that it was the work of Villehad Forssman who had worked
previously for Siemens-Schuckert. The unfinished aircraft
was discovered in a hanger after the Armistance by the
Allied Control Commissions inspection team.

A section of the plane and a wheel 8 feet in diameter where
sent back to England for study. The span of the center wing
was 165 ft (50.3 m); the top and bottom wing were of equal
span but quite a bit smaller. It was to have tandem mounted
engines - eight on the center wing and a pair on the lower
wing. The fuselage was long and slender, mounted between the
center wing directly above the engines on the lower wing.
The fuselage was 150 ft (45.7 m) long.

An eighty-hour flight endurance was planned (editorial
comment: Wow!), and provision was made to carry such a load
of fuel. The overall structure was heavy but extremely
weak. No interal bracing cable was installed, and while it
was covered with two layers of three-ply wood which made it
as heavy as a boat, these did little to add strength. In
addition, the ailerons were too small, the center of gravity
way aft, and the elevators would have been ineffective. So,
it is doubtful it would have flown if it had been completed.

- forum source unknown

4) You are probably thinking of the Poll giant triplane.Although it
could probably have been used as a bomber,it was actually designed to
be a transport plane.It had a wingspan of 165 ft.,was 150 ft. long and
was designed to be able to fly at 80 mph for 80 hours.There were 10
engines.It was still under construction when the war ended.

- same forum unknown
* note: transport incorrect, leaflet-bomber shows up 90% more often in
other commentary

5) Two of the three reasons to build a giant are range and payload.
Since the beginning of aviation designers made plans of giants to have
a longer range. The Germans made plans for a huge bomber, the
Mannesmann Poll, to attack the United States of America. It was a ten-
engine tri-plane. It had 5 engine gondolas with each 2 engines. 4
gondolas were mounted on the mid wing, 1 gondola was mounted on the
lower wing (in the middle of the wing). At the end of that war the
Allied forces found a wheel of that bomber, so production of parts had
already begun. The wheel had a diameter of 2.2 meter!

http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/n_o_d/images/airplanes/pol.jpg

Mannesman Poll

Engines 10
Span 50 m (164.04 ft)
Length 45.7 m (150 ft)
Range 10,500 km @ 130 km/h= 6524 miles

There you go guys... working on that wheel photo next!

Rob

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Rob Arndt
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Mannesmann (Poll) Giant Triplane! Reply with quote



On May 3, 9:10?pm, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:
Quote:
Guys,

It took me a while to track this damn plane all day as Poll on Google
yields nothing. I then resorted to Riesenflugzeug and finally narrowed
it down to the correct designation- Mannesmann-Poll Giant Triplane!
Took all day. But here is an interesting cross section of information.
I will track the wheel shortly, but here is that WW1 German Amerika
bomber!!!

Info:

1) Fahrzeugbau Brunning, Grossauheim/Villehard Forssman: This company
was leader in plywood manufacture (a new technology at the time) tied
closely to the Brusing-Deutsche Bank. It's chief designer (Forssman)
was active in R plane design for several firms and built the grandest
Giant plane of the era. The Poll Giant Tri-plane was a 10 engine
monster intended to bomb the USA. At the end of the war a prototype
was partly constructed.

2) Poll Giant Triplane Wheel (1994)
Restoration work was carried out on a wheel from the WWI Poll Giant
Triplane. The wheel is about 8 ft diameter and made solely from wood.
It is on display at the Manchester Science Museum.
-From the Bowers and McDowell book, "Triplanes":

3)Mannesmann (Poll) Triplane

This giant triplane seems to have been a dying gasp of the
German Air Force. It was meant to carry leaflets across
the Atlantic Ocean to drop on New York City. While the
designer's name seems to be a bit of a mystery, it is believed
that it was the work of Villehad Forssman who had worked
previously for Siemens-Schuckert. The unfinished aircraft
was discovered in a hanger after the Armistance by the
Allied Control Commissions inspection team.

A section of the plane and a wheel 8 feet in diameter where
sent back to England for study. The span of the center wing
was 165 ft (50.3 m); the top and bottom wing were of equal
span but quite a bit smaller. It was to have tandem mounted
engines - eight on the center wing and a pair on the lower
wing. The fuselage was long and slender, mounted between the
center wing directly above the engines on the lower wing.
The fuselage was 150 ft (45.7 m) long.

An eighty-hour flight endurance was planned (editorial
comment: Wow!), and provision was made to carry such a load
of fuel. The overall structure was heavy but extremely
weak. No interal bracing cable was installed, and while it
was covered with two layers of three-ply wood which made it
as heavy as a boat, these did little to add strength. In
addition, the ailerons were too small, the center of gravity
way aft, and the elevators would have been ineffective. So,
it is doubtful it would have flown if it had been completed.

- forum source unknown

4) You are probably thinking of the Poll giant triplane.Although it
could probably have been used as a bomber,it was actually designed to
be a transport plane.It had a wingspan of 165 ft.,was 150 ft. long and
was designed to be able to fly at 80 mph for 80 hours.There were 10
engines.It was still under construction when the war ended.

- same forum unknown
* note: transport incorrect, leaflet-bomber shows up 90% more often in
other commentary

5) Two of the three reasons to build a giant are range and payload.
Since the beginning of aviation designers made plans of giants to have
a longer range. The Germans made plans for a huge bomber, the
Mannesmann Poll, to attack the United States of America. It was a ten-
engine tri-plane. It had 5 engine gondolas with each 2 engines. 4
gondolas were mounted on the mid wing, 1 gondola was mounted on the
lower wing (in the middle of the wing). At the end of that war the
Allied forces found a wheel of that bomber, so production of parts had
already begun. The wheel had a diameter of 2.2 meter!

http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/n_o_d/images/airplanes/pol.jpg

Mannesman Poll

Engines 10
Span 50 m (164.04 ft)
Length 45.7 m (150 ft)
Range 10,500 km @ 130 km/h= 6524 miles

There you go guys... working on that wheel photo next!

Rob

That F**king Giant Wheel: http://f5.putfile.com/6/17000124390.jpg

Rob
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Mannesmann (Poll) Giant Triplane! Reply with quote

In article <1178295184.628653.39710 (AT) n76g2000hsh (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
weasel <wfmoore70 (AT) alum (DOT) mit.edu> wrote:

Quote:
On May 3, 9:29 pm, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:
2) Poll Giant Triplane Wheel (1994)
Restoration work was carried out on a wheel from the WWI Poll Giant
Triplane. The wheel is about 8 ft diameter and made solely from wood.
It is on display at the Manchester Science Museum.
-From the Bowers and McDowell book, "Triplanes":


That F**king Giant Wheel:http://f5.putfile.com/6/17000124390.jpg

Rob-

So that picture was taken at the Machester Science Museum...

There's another picture, several decades older, of the same wheel that's
included in James Gilbert's "World's Worst Aircraft", in the chapter on
giant airplanes and various mad scientists-of-fortune.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:51 am    Post subject: Re: Mannesmann (Poll) Giant Triplane! Reply with quote

On May 5, 2:15 pm, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:
Quote:
On May 5, 12:26?pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:



On May 5, 7:18 am, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:

On May 5, 1:28?am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

On May 5, 12:53 am, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:

On May 5, 12:40?am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On May 4, 11:19 pm, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:

On May 4, 7:15?pm, Steve Hix <s...@NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID> wrote:

In article <1178295184.628653.39...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,

?weasel <wfmoor...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
On May 3, 9:29 pm, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:
2) Poll Giant Triplane Wheel (1994)
Restoration work was carried out on a wheel from the WWI Poll Giant
Triplane. The wheel is about 8 ft diameter and made solely from wood.
It is on display at the Manchester Science Museum.
-From the Bowers and McDowell book, "Triplanes":

That F**king Giant Wheel:http://f5.putfile.com/6/17000124390.jpg

Rob-

So that picture was taken at the Machester Science Museum...

There's another picture, several decades older, of the same wheel that's
included in James Gilbert's "World's Worst Aircraft", in the chapter on
giant airplanes and various mad scientists-of-fortune.

Overall, I'd say the German Riesenflugzeug giant aircraft series by
Gotha, Siemens-Schuckert, and the awesome Zeppelin-Staaken types are
pretty much proven in combat while the oddball ones like the
Mannesmann-Poll Giant Triplane, both Linke-Hoffman R-bombers, and a
questionable Krupp R-design are the exceptions to the rule.

Rob

Once again we see how Germany copied Russian
designers...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_Russky_Vityaz

It took 2+ years for Hitler to get word he lost the
war to the Russians following...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad

To quote Field Marshall Paulus,
"holy shit we're fucked".

Regards
Ken- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ken,

Name any Russian Giant Bombers of all time that achieved anything...
you can't, they were giant pieces of shit.

Excuse me, if you don't have a moat to cross,
then swarm with a very low level bomber like this...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34
Mass production of death.

Germany copied none of them. The Siemens-Schuckert, Gotha, and
Zeppelin-Staakens were in a class all their own. Postwar, it was
Germany that built the giant Do-X and Junkers G.38 too- successful
designs for the time period.

First succesful 4 engine a/c was Mr. Sikorsky's.

Second, the war wasn't lost at Stalingrad but after Kursk... military.
Strategically, it was lost when Operation Barbarossa began in 1941 and
to top it off when Hitler declared war on the US following Pearl
Harbor!

Third, WTF is your post all about anyway?

I was the one asked to track the Mannesmann Poll bomber down and I
fully delivered and then some. You Ken, provided nothing.of relevence
to the topic... at all.

Hmmm...so you figure Mr. Sikorsky's achievement
irrelevent. Rob, have you ever built an airplane?
I think it's an amazing achievement that the fella
was able to do a 4 engine job succesfully in 1913
Russia (before Soviet Union), the worlds 1st.
You fail to realize the synergy of the evolution of
aviation, internationally. I think Mr. Sikorsky set
a "bench-mark" and ought to be respected, where
large multi-engine a/c are discussed.

Rob

Regards
Ken- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ken,

Anyone that has to rely on posting Wiki URLs is a loser.

You are a deeply prejudiced person, what you need is...http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Outhouse
...> Run off now Ken and Wiki some more nonsense...
Rob

Why, do you want competition?
Ken- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sorry Walt,

But I spent a lot of time looking for the information presented on
this thread that no one else did except 1 person who said "Poll
Bomber" in the original request thread. I was working all day on other
materials and had to stop for long periods to try different word
combos in English and German to get to the proper designation of this
a/c as well as follow-up on the wheel photo and provide a CGI shot of
it from "Young Indiana Jones" series.

Everything is cool, then Ken comes along with some German- copying BS
even though I DID post on the 4-engine Russian Ilya Mourometz bomber.
So again, I ask WTF???

I used to think Ken was a nice guy but I was wrong. So if you dish it
out you certainly can take it. I am not giving in to anyone on this
NG, but I might stop answering requests if this kind of nonsense keeps
happening.

Review the thread, I suggested the Ruskies knew
a lot more about aircraft than the Nazi's, further,
I suggested, the Luftwaffe (aka Miracle Machine),
was cut to ribbons at Stalingrad, in the air and on
the ground.
I'd estimate the Russian's to be at least 2-3 years
ahead of the Nazi's at Stalingrad, technologically.

If the stupid Nazi's rebukked Paulus advice, once
his ass was kicked to hell by our allied Ruskies,
using ultra superior technology, that made Nazi
crap look like spear-chuckers, that was my point.

By Stalingrad the Nazi's were totally inferior.
Regards
Ken
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Rob Arndt
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:17 am    Post subject: Re: Mannesmann (Poll) Giant Triplane! Reply with quote

On May 5, 3:51?pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
Quote:
On May 5, 2:15 pm, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:





On May 5, 12:26?pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

On May 5, 7:18 am, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:

On May 5, 1:28?am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

On May 5, 12:53 am, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:

On May 5, 12:40?am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On May 4, 11:19 pm, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:

On May 4, 7:15?pm, Steve Hix <s...@NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID> wrote:

In article <1178295184.628653.39...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,

?weasel <wfmoor...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
On May 3, 9:29 pm, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:
2) Poll Giant Triplane Wheel (1994)
Restoration work was carried out on a wheel from the WWI Poll Giant
Triplane. The wheel is about 8 ft diameter and made solely from wood.
It is on display at the Manchester Science Museum.
-From the Bowers and McDowell book, "Triplanes":

That F**king Giant Wheel:http://f5.putfile.com/6/17000124390.jpg

Rob-

So that picture was taken at the Machester Science Museum...

There's another picture, several decades older, of the same wheel that's
included in James Gilbert's "World's Worst Aircraft", in the chapter on
giant airplanes and various mad scientists-of-fortune.

Overall, I'd say the German Riesenflugzeug giant aircraft series by
Gotha, Siemens-Schuckert, and the awesome Zeppelin-Staaken types are
pretty much proven in combat while the oddball ones like the
Mannesmann-Poll Giant Triplane, both Linke-Hoffman R-bombers, and a
questionable Krupp R-design are the exceptions to the rule.

Rob

Once again we see how Germany copied Russian
designers...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_Russky_Vityaz

It took 2+ years for Hitler to get word he lost the
war to the Russians following...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad

To quote Field Marshall Paulus,
"holy shit we're fucked".

Regards
Ken- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ken,

Name any Russian Giant Bombers of all time that achieved anything...
you can't, they were giant pieces of shit.

Excuse me, if you don't have a moat to cross,
then swarm with a very low level bomber like this...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34
Mass production of death.

Germany copied none of them. The Siemens-Schuckert, Gotha, and
Zeppelin-Staakens were in a class all their own. Postwar, it was
Germany that built the giant Do-X and Junkers G.38 too- successful
designs for the time period.

First succesful 4 engine a/c was Mr. Sikorsky's.

Second, the war wasn't lost at Stalingrad but after Kursk... military.
Strategically, it was lost when Operation Barbarossa began in 1941 and
to top it off when Hitler declared war on the US following Pearl
Harbor!

Third, WTF is your post all about anyway?

I was the one asked to track the Mannesmann Poll bomber down and I
fully delivered and then some. You Ken, provided nothing.of relevence
to the topic... at all.

Hmmm...so you figure Mr. Sikorsky's achievement
irrelevent. Rob, have you ever built an airplane?
I think it's an amazing achievement that the fella
was able to do a 4 engine job succesfully in 1913
Russia (before Soviet Union), the worlds 1st.
You fail to realize the synergy of the evolution of
aviation, internationally. I think Mr. Sikorsky set
a "bench-mark" and ought to be respected, where
large multi-engine a/c are discussed.

Rob

Regards
Ken- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ken,

Anyone that has to rely on posting Wiki URLs is a loser.

You are a deeply prejudiced person, what you need is...http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Outhouse
...> Run off now Ken and Wiki some more nonsense...
Rob

Why, do you want competition?
Ken- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sorry Walt,

But I spent a lot of time looking for the information presented on
this thread that no one else did except 1 person who said "Poll
Bomber" in the original request thread. I was working all day on other
materials and had to stop for long periods to try different word
combos in English and German to get to the proper designation of this
a/c as well as follow-up on the wheel photo and provide a CGI shot of
it from "Young Indiana Jones" series.

Everything is cool, then Ken comes along with some German- copying BS
even though I DID post on the 4-engine Russian Ilya Mourometz bomber.
So again, I ask WTF???

I used to think Ken was a nice guy but I was wrong. So if you dish it
out you certainly can take it. I am not giving in to anyone on this
NG, but I might stop answering requests if this kind of nonsense keeps
happening.

Review the thread, I suggested the Ruskies knew
a lot more about aircraft than the Nazi's, further,
I suggested, the Luftwaffe (aka Miracle Machine),
was cut to ribbons at Stalingrad, in the air and on
the ground.
I'd estimate the Russian's to be at least 2-3 years
ahead of the Nazi's at Stalingrad, technologically.

If the stupid Nazi's rebukked Paulus advice, once
his ass was kicked to hell by our allied Ruskies,
using ultra superior technology, that made Nazi
crap look like spear-chuckers, that was my point.

By Stalingrad the Nazi's were totally inferior.
Regards
Ken- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Your post has nothing to do with this thread at all- it is about the
Mannesmann Poll Giant Triplane you fucking idiot.

You just posted that shit as bait to start an argument... like this
one below.

Yeah, Nazi technology was so inferior, BTW, that the Russians took as
much of it as they could transport back to the USSR for all their
aerospace technology which produced all their major space
accomplishments, missile technology, beam-weapon technology, and a
range of aircraft (especially turboprop technology). Yeah, thousands
of tons of documents, wind tunnel data, entire factories transported
back to the USSR along with forced servitude of all German scientists
and their families the Soviets could round up- for decades.

Yet when you look at the damage between defeated Germany and the USSR,
Germany rebuilt itself and her losses were far below the devastation
of the USSR which lost 30+ million people and has never recovered
fully from Nazi devastation. Huge parts of the FSU remain in ruins
never repaired and Soviet standards of living are just as bad as pre-
war under Stalin. No comparison to a reunified Germany at all.

Yeah Ken, keep talkin' and posting Wiki entries...

Rob
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:44 am    Post subject: Re: Mannesmann (Poll) Giant Triplane! Reply with quote

On May 5, 4:17 pm, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:
Quote:
On May 5, 3:51?pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:



On May 5, 2:15 pm, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:

On May 5, 12:26?pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

On May 5, 7:18 am, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:

On May 5, 1:28?am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

On May 5, 12:53 am, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:

On May 5, 12:40?am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On May 4, 11:19 pm, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:

On May 4, 7:15?pm, Steve Hix <s...@NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID> wrote:

In article <1178295184.628653.39...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,

?weasel <wfmoor...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
On May 3, 9:29 pm, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:
2) Poll Giant Triplane Wheel (1994)
Restoration work was carried out on a wheel from the WWI Poll Giant
Triplane. The wheel is about 8 ft diameter and made solely from wood.
It is on display at the Manchester Science Museum.
-From the Bowers and McDowell book, "Triplanes":

That F**king Giant Wheel:http://f5.putfile.com/6/17000124390.jpg

Rob-

So that picture was taken at the Machester Science Museum...

There's another picture, several decades older, of the same wheel that's
included in James Gilbert's "World's Worst Aircraft", in the chapter on
giant airplanes and various mad scientists-of-fortune.

Overall, I'd say the German Riesenflugzeug giant aircraft series by
Gotha, Siemens-Schuckert, and the awesome Zeppelin-Staaken types are
pretty much proven in combat while the oddball ones like the
Mannesmann-Poll Giant Triplane, both Linke-Hoffman R-bombers, and a
questionable Krupp R-design are the exceptions to the rule.

Rob

Once again we see how Germany copied Russian
designers...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_Russky_Vityaz

It took 2+ years for Hitler to get word he lost the
war to the Russians following...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad

To quote Field Marshall Paulus,
"holy shit we're fucked".

Regards
Ken- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ken,

Name any Russian Giant Bombers of all time that achieved anything...
you can't, they were giant pieces of shit.

Excuse me, if you don't have a moat to cross,
then swarm with a very low level bomber like this...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34
Mass production of death.

Germany copied none of them. The Siemens-Schuckert, Gotha, and
Zeppelin-Staakens were in a class all their own. Postwar, it was
Germany that built the giant Do-X and Junkers G.38 too- successful
designs for the time period.

First succesful 4 engine a/c was Mr. Sikorsky's.

Second, the war wasn't lost at Stalingrad but after Kursk... military.
Strategically, it was lost when Operation Barbarossa began in 1941 and
to top it off when Hitler declared war on the US following Pearl
Harbor!

Third, WTF is your post all about anyway?

I was the one asked to track the Mannesmann Poll bomber down and I
fully delivered and then some. You Ken, provided nothing.of relevence
to the topic... at all.

Hmmm...so you figure Mr. Sikorsky's achievement
irrelevent. Rob, have you ever built an airplane?
I think it's an amazing achievement that the fella
was able to do a 4 engine job succesfully in 1913
Russia (before Soviet Union), the worlds 1st.
You fail to realize the synergy of the evolution of
aviation, internationally. I think Mr. Sikorsky set
a "bench-mark" and ought to be respected, where
large multi-engine a/c are discussed.

Rob

Regards
Ken- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ken,

Anyone that has to rely on posting Wiki URLs is a loser.

You are a deeply prejudiced person, what you need is...http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Outhouse
...> Run off now Ken and Wiki some more nonsense...
Rob

Why, do you want competition?
Ken- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sorry Walt,

But I spent a lot of time looking for the information presented on
this thread that no one else did except 1 person who said "Poll
Bomber" in the original request thread. I was working all day on other
materials and had to stop for long periods to try different word
combos in English and German to get to the proper designation of this
a/c as well as follow-up on the wheel photo and provide a CGI shot of
it from "Young Indiana Jones" series.

Everything is cool, then Ken comes along with some German- copying BS
even though I DID post on the 4-engine Russian Ilya Mourometz bomber.
So again, I ask WTF???

I used to think Ken was a nice guy but I was wrong. So if you dish it
out you certainly can take it. I am not giving in to anyone on this
NG, but I might stop answering requests if this kind of nonsense keeps
happening.

Review the thread, I suggested the Ruskies knew
a lot more about aircraft than the Nazi's, further,
I suggested, the Luftwaffe (aka Miracle Machine),
was cut to ribbons at Stalingrad, in the air and on
the ground.
I'd estimate the Russian's to be at least 2-3 years
ahead of the Nazi's at Stalingrad, technologically.

If the stupid Nazi's rebukked Paulus advice, once
his ass was kicked to hell by our allied Ruskies,
using ultra superior technology, that made Nazi
crap look like spear-chuckers, that was my point.

By Stalingrad the Nazi's were totally inferior.
Regards
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Your post has nothing to do with this thread at all- it is about the
Mannesmann Poll Giant Triplane you fucking idiot.
"fucking idiot"


Rob, why do call everyone in Ram that?

Quote:
You just posted that shit as bait to start an argument... like this
one below.

Yeah, Nazi technology was so inferior, BTW, that the Russians took as
much of it as they could transport back to the USSR for all their
aerospace technology which produced all their major space
accomplishments, missile technology, beam-weapon technology, and a
range of aircraft (especially turboprop technology). Yeah, thousands
of tons of documents, wind tunnel data, entire factories transported
back to the USSR along with forced servitude of all German scientists
and their families the Soviets could round up- for decades.

LOL.

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Yet when you look at the damage between defeated Germany and the USSR,
Germany rebuilt itself and her losses were far below the devastation
of the USSR which lost 30+ million people and has never recovered
fully from Nazi devastation. Huge parts of the FSU remain in ruins
never repaired and Soviet standards of living are just as bad as pre-
war under Stalin. No comparison to a reunified Germany at all.

I guess you mean the Germans are 50#'s over-weight
eating at McCroats, thus that's your claim to an
improved standard of living, sounds like a fat-head
thesis to me.

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Yeah Ken, keep talkin' and posting Wiki entries...

No thanks, you revealing a twisted and paranoid
mind is sufficent, that's ok with me...
Ken
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Mannesmann (Poll) Giant Triplane! Reply with quote

Rob Arndt wrote:
Quote:
You're right, in the tv show the bomber's wings have bent tips- in
real-life, no.

I should have mentioned that earlier...



What hit me was the trailing edge, which had only those few ribs on it,
like a bat wing.
The only plan I've ever seen of it shows it from the side, and I don't
know if any authentic top view of it from the time exists.
Leonardo da Vinci or pre-Wright Brother designers might have come up
with something like that, but I've never seen anyone else since then do
something along those lines.
BTW, that's a excellent movie; you get to run into Anthony Fokker and
the Flying Circus - Manfred, Lothar, Goering and all in it, besides
Nungesser, and a lot of the Lafayette Escadrille's pilots.
They've got Tony Fokker's ego down to a T.
When the Pohl arrives, the ground almost shakes as this monster soars
over a staff car and taxis up at Ahlhorn Zeppelin base... where Indy is
going to unintentionally cause a minor incident... Smile
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Mannesmann (Poll) Giant Triplane! Reply with quote

On May 8, 9:30?pm, Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:
Quote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
You're right, in the tv show the bomber's wings have bent tips- in
real-life, no.

I should have mentioned that earlier...

What hit me was the trailing edge, which had only those few ribs on it,
like a bat wing.
The only plan I've ever seen of it shows it from the side, and I don't
know if any authentic top view of it from the time exists.
Leonardo da Vinci or pre-Wright Brother designers might have come up
with something like that, but I've never seen anyone else since then do
something along those lines.
BTW, that's a excellent movie; you get to run into Anthony Fokker and
the Flying Circus - Manfred, Lothar, Goering and all in it, besides
Nungesser, and a lot of the Lafayette Escadrille's pilots.
They've got Tony Fokker's ego down to a T.
When the Pohl arrives, the ground almost shakes as this monster soars
over a staff car and taxis up at Ahlhorn Zeppelin base... where Indy is
going to unintentionally cause a minor incident... Smile

I'm waiting for "Indy 4" which now officially stars Harrison Ford,
Cate Blanchett, and Ray Winstone. Sean Connery is not confirmed yet.

May 2008- one year away!

I have heard they are using the Nazis again, so I hope that some
interesting a/c are in it too.

I would be in heaven if Indy fought the Vril Gesellschaft... but WHO
could possibly play Maria Orsic??? Kristanna Loken with really long
hair?

Rob
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