AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  History question: homebuilt pushers          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aircraft Design & Building View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message mholt@ohiohills.com Guest Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: History question: homebuilt pushers I was just looking back through the EAA Modern Mechanix Flying and Gilder Manuals. None of the aircraft depicted were pushers -- except for the Wright Flyers and some early Curtiss. In poking around for old flying boat designs, I've found lots of pushers. Does anyone know of any home built pushers from that era (1929-1932)? I'm just curious. Thanks. Back to top wright1902glider Guest Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:27 am    Post subject: Re: History question: homebuilt pushers Quote: Does anyone know of any home built pushers from that era (1929-1932)? I'm just curious. Thanks. That period isn't really my specialty, but I'd be surprised if you find many, if any, pusher land aircraft. A pusher prop with or without a chain-drive PSRU (sp?) has advantages on a flying boat because it allows you to position the prop in an area that minimizes spray and wave interference. On a large flying boat like a Sikorsky, Martin, or Boeing its not so much of an issue since the wing and engines are well above the water. However on something like an early Supermarine or many of the Italian planes, it could matter. Pushers more or less disappeared altogether between 1930 and 1945, then reappeared briefly on the B-36. The jet era again forced them into obscurity and onto Dick's drawing board. FYI: Wilbur Wright preferred the pusher design for two reasons. First, it minimized the number of aerodynamic factors he had to design for in 1903 since the airframe was not subject to prop wash. Second, it worked in 1903 and continued to work, so the basic Wright powertrain was never really modified or improved. Harry Frey Wright Brothers Enterprises Back to top ChuckSlusarczyk Guest Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 3:42 am    Post subject: Re: History question: homebuilt pushers In article <1177982834.722415.171620 (AT) u30g2000hsc (DOT) googlegroups.com>, mholt (AT) ohiohills (DOT) com says... Quote: I was just looking back through the EAA Modern Mechanix Flying and Gilder Manuals. None of the aircraft depicted were pushers -- except for the Wright Flyers and some early Curtiss. In poking around for old flying boat designs, I've found lots of pushers. Does anyone know of any home built pushers from that era (1929-1932)? I'm just curious. Only thing I could think of from that era was the Burgess -Dunne seaplane.It was a tailess swept wing biplane .Similar to the easy riser of hang glider fame.I think only 3 were built and I don't think they would be considered homebuilts but most everything built back could be considered homebuilt :-) Chuck S Back to top Richard Riley Guest Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: History question: homebuilt pushers On 1 May 2007 14:27:21 -0700, wright1902glider <wright1902glider (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Pushers more or less disappeared altogether between 1930 and 1945, then reappeared briefly on the B-36. The jet era again forced them into obscurity and onto Dick's drawing board. In WW2 there were several pusher fighters that never made it past the drawing board or prototype stage. Blohm und Voss P.207/2 ,Dornier P.247/6 Borovkov-Florov "D", Curtis P-55 Ascender, Kyushu J7W1 Shinden. My favorite (and probably the most whimsical) was the Daimler-Benz Jaeger. Don't know if it's a pusher or not. Don't know of any homebuilt pushers from that era. Back to top Ron Wanttaja Guest Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: History question: homebuilt pushers Well, there's one homebuilt pusher from the era by extension, at least. The Curtiss Junior was a production plane from the '30s... http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/collection/airplanes/Curtiss%20Junior.htm ....and an all-wood homebuilt version was introduced in the '60s, called the Woody Pusher. <http://www.sun-n-fun.org/content/interior.asp?section=museum&body=planes/woodys_pusher> Ron Wanttaja Back to top John Guest Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: History question: homebuilt pushers On May 2, 2:28 am, Richard Riley <Rich...@mylastname.net> wrote: Quote: On 1 May 2007 14:27:21 -0700, wright1902glider wright1902gli...@aol.com> wrote: Pushers more or less disappeared altogether between 1930 and 1945, then reappeared briefly on the B-36. The jet era again forced them into obscurity and onto Dick's drawing board. In WW2 there were several pusher fighters that never made it past the drawing board or prototype stage. Blohm und Voss P.207/2 ,Dornier P.247/6 Borovkov-Florov "D", Curtis P-55 Ascender, Kyushu J7W1 Shinden. My favorite (and probably the most whimsical) was the Daimler-Benz Jaeger. Don't know if it's a pusher or not. Don't know of any homebuilt pushers from that era. There was at least one pusher fighter that made past prototype stage. The SAAB J21 was a twin boom tricycle gear single engine pusher. It was later modified into a jet with some success. John Dupre' Back to top Guest Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: History question: homebuilt pushers Go Here: http://www.wwiaviation.com/framer/planes/british/index.html and look up (click on Select An Aircraft): Airco DH-2 RAF F.E.-2d RAF F.E.-8 Go to http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWpusher.htm to see the Breguet M5. And if you Google "Pusher Aircraft" images you'll get a bunch more. There have been a heap of pusher airplanes all through aviation history. Dan Back to top mholt@ohiohills.com Guest Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:51 pm    Post subject: Re: History question: homebuilt pushers On May 2, 9:59 am, Ron Wanttaja <ron.wantt...@comcast.net> wrote: Quote: Well, there's one homebuilt pusher from the era by extension, at least. The Curtiss Junior was a production plane from the '30s... ...and an all-wood homebuilt version was introduced in the '60s, called the Woody Pusher. That's the kind of thing I expected to see in the Flying and Glider manuals! It just seemed odd that there were no pushers in the manuals. (Okay, there's an airboat depicted at the end of one of the books, but that article is about making propellors.) I wanted to see the plans to a pusher of the era. On to the next quest ... Thanks, all. 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