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Omega
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 Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:11 am Post subject: Diesel engines |
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Has anyone flown an aircraft with diesel pistons engines yet??
I am looking at the ION aircraft and having the Raptor 105 engine put
in it. The ION looks like a fighter, is an LSA and has a pusher prop
with split tail that goes up into a T tail. It will pull 4 to 6 Gs.
The Raptor 105 is a diesel that is alternative to the other LSA
engines. Should get about 2 gph.
And there seems to be more diesels for GA aircraft as well. |
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Rob Turk
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:11 am Post subject: Re: Diesel engines |
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"Omega" <Omega.d21 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Has anyone flown an aircraft with diesel pistons engines yet??
I am looking at the ION aircraft and having the Raptor 105 engine put
in it. The ION looks like a fighter, is an LSA and has a pusher prop
with split tail that goes up into a T tail. It will pull 4 to 6 Gs.
The Raptor 105 is a diesel that is alternative to the other LSA
engines. Should get about 2 gph.
And there seems to be more diesels for GA aircraft as well.
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We have a Diamond on our field (EHLE) that uses a Thielert diesel. Have not
flown it, but sounds sweet.
That Raptor looks great on paper, but it appears that they have not actually
flown it yet. There's no indication of price, availability etc, which would
worry me. There are other companies such as Zoche, http://www.zoche.de/
which have been promising diesels 'real soon now' for many years. If you
have an opportunity, visit the factory and fly behind one, once they are
ready to deliver.
You'll be an early adopter if you put this engine in. Specs are always nice,
but expecting certain fuel consumption numbers is not realistic until it has
been tested, preferrably on a plane that matches your characteristics.
Rob |
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Richard Riley
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Diesel engines |
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On 25 Apr 2007 21:12:46 -0700, Omega <Omega.d21 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
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Has anyone flown an aircraft with diesel pistons engines yet??
I am looking at the ION aircraft and having the Raptor 105 engine put
in it. The ION looks like a fighter, is an LSA and has a pusher prop
with split tail that goes up into a T tail. It will pull 4 to 6 Gs.
The Raptor 105 is a diesel that is alternative to the other LSA
engines. Should get about 2 gph.
And there seems to be more diesels for GA aircraft as well.
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There are plenty of Diesel engines that are going to be available any
time now. They only ones that are actually delivering are the SMA and
the Centurian (which I have flown). The Deltahawk is at least flying
a prototype in a velocity. The Raptor appears to be about where the
Zoche is - they have a prototype in a shop.
A basic rule in my life is never use a developmental engine in a
developmental airframe. |
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Jim Stewart
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Diesel engines |
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Richard Riley wrote:
| Quote: | A basic rule in my life is never use a developmental engine in a
developmental airframe.
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LOL. A very good rule, I would think. |
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Roger (K8RI)
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:15 am Post subject: Re: Diesel engines |
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:34:37 -0700, Richard Riley
<Richard (AT) mylastname (DOT) net> wrote:
| Quote: | On 25 Apr 2007 21:12:46 -0700, Omega <Omega.d21 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
x-no-archive:yes
Has anyone flown an aircraft with diesel pistons engines yet??
I am looking at the ION aircraft and having the Raptor 105 engine put
in it. The ION looks like a fighter, is an LSA and has a pusher prop
with split tail that goes up into a T tail. It will pull 4 to 6 Gs.
The Raptor 105 is a diesel that is alternative to the other LSA
engines. Should get about 2 gph.
And there seems to be more diesels for GA aircraft as well.
There are plenty of Diesel engines that are going to be available any
time now. They only ones that are actually delivering are the SMA and
the Centurian (which I have flown). The Deltahawk is at least flying
a prototype in a velocity. The Raptor appears to be about where the
Zoche is - they have a prototype in a shop.
A basic rule in my life is never use a developmental engine in a
developmental airframe.
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But...then you get to see what develops. |
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Robert M. Gary
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Diesel engines |
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On Apr 25, 9:12 pm, Omega <Omega....@gmail.com> wrote:
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Has anyone flown an aircraft with diesel pistons engines yet??
I am looking at the ION aircraft and having the Raptor 105 engine put
in it. The ION looks like a fighter, is an LSA and has a pusher prop
with split tail that goes up into a T tail. It will pull 4 to 6 Gs.
The Raptor 105 is a diesel that is alternative to the other LSA
engines. Should get about 2 gph.
And there seems to be more diesels for GA aircraft as well.
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The local community college has a 100% FAA legal French Fry Diesel
c172. One of the instructors put a big tank in the back of his truck
so he can go suck grease from McD's for the airplane. I've not flown
it but it does smell like french fries. This plane is not
experiemental it has an STC.
-robert |
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Mike Isaksen
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Diesel engines |
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"Robert M. Gary" <N7093v (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote ...
| Quote: | The local community college has a 100% FAA legal French Fry Diesel
c172. One of the instructors put a big tank in the back of his truck
so he can go suck grease from McD's for the airplane. I've not flown
it but it does smell like french fries. This plane is not
experiemental it has an STC.
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Is this being handled on the QT, or is the flight ops of the CC willing to
field some questions (like names and copies of paperwork)? My A&P has been
laughed out of the local FSDO for proposing this via a temp experimental
re-classification, mush less a permanent field approval. The idea of an STC
sounds like lead to gold. |
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Robert M. Gary
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: Re: Diesel engines |
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On Apr 27, 10:17 am, "Mike Isaksen" <misak...@verizon.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Robert M. Gary" <N70...@gmail.com> wrote ...
The local community college has a 100% FAA legal French Fry Diesel
c172. One of the instructors put a big tank in the back of his truck
so he can go suck grease from McD's for the airplane. I've not flown
it but it does smell like french fries. This plane is not
experiemental it has an STC.
Is this being handled on the QT, or is the flight ops of the CC willing to
field some questions (like names and copies of paperwork)? My A&P has been
laughed out of the local FSDO for proposing this via a temp experimental
re-classification, mush less a permanent field approval. The idea of an STC
sounds like lead to gold.
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They told me who the STC holder was once but I forgot it. I'll try to
get it for you. It was a company in Europe.
-robert |
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Montblack
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: Diesel engines |
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("Omega" wrote)
| Quote: | I am looking at the ION aircraft and having the Raptor 105 engine put in
it. The ION looks like a fighter, is an LSA and has a pusher prop with
split tail that goes up into a T tail. It will pull 4 to 6 Gs. The Raptor
105 is a diesel that is alternative to the other LSA engines. Should get
about 2 gph.
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The new Ion Aircraft
http://www.ionaircraft.com/Img_0573.jpg
Steve and Steve at ANE (Anoka County-Blaine Airport, MN)
http://www.ionaircraft.com/engineering.html
Engineering
Wings: .... aluminum (and removable)
Body ....... composite.
Prop ........ wood.
Engine .... Jabiru 3300
Panel .......cool
I'll be over at Ion World Headquarters, this weekend, handing one of the
Steves screwdrivers and holding washers, nuts and bolts. I swing by when I
can and do what I can. It's been fun seeing the plane come together.
Montback-orders <g> |
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Paul kgyy
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Diesel engines |
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How do you keep the fuel from gelling at low temps? Or doesn't Jet A
do this?
I had to switch from #2 to #1 diesel fuel in my VW Rabbit for winter
operation? |
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Tauno Voipio
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: Diesel engines |
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Paul kgyy wrote:
| Quote: | How do you keep the fuel from gelling at low temps? Or doesn't Jet A
do this?
I had to switch from #2 to #1 diesel fuel in my VW Rabbit for winter
operation?
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AFAIK, the commercial jets are flying at the
tropopause altitudes (around -50 C) using
JET-A1.
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Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio (at) iki fi |
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GeorgeB
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: Re: Diesel engines |
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On Fri, 04 May 2007 18:00:47 GMT, Tauno Voipio
<tauno.voipio (AT) INVALIDiki (DOT) fi> wrote:
| Quote: | Paul kgyy wrote:
How do you keep the fuel from gelling at low temps? Or doesn't Jet A
do this?
I had to switch from #2 to #1 diesel fuel in my VW Rabbit for winter
operation?
AFAIK, the commercial jets are flying at the
tropopause altitudes (around -50 C) using
JET-A1.
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JetA is much closer to #1 than to #2 as well. |
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David Lesher
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Diesel engines |
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GeorgeB <nospam (AT) att (DOT) net> writes:
| Quote: | How do you keep the fuel from gelling at low temps? Or doesn't Jet A
do this?
I had to switch from #2 to #1 diesel fuel in my VW Rabbit for winter
operation?
AFAIK, the commercial jets are flying at the
tropopause altitudes (around -50 C) using
JET-A1.
JetA is much closer to #1 than to #2 as well.
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JetA is pure Kerosene, nothing more, nothing less, and {hopefully....}
nothing else..
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Thomas Borchert
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: Re: Diesel engines |
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Paul,
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do this?
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It doesn't.
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Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Morgans
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: Re: Diesel engines |
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"David Lesher" <wb8foz (AT) panix (DOT) com> wrote in message news:f1it75$392
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JetA is pure Kerosene, nothing more, nothing less, and {hopefully....}
nothing else..
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It was my understanding that there was a little anti-fungicide in there.
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Jim in NC |
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