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kevmor
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 Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:13 am Post subject: Commercial Multi Engine first |
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In a previous post, I read the following. Where can I find this in
the regulations, that you can do the commercial in a SE non-complex
aircraft first, then the same day (or some amount of time as said
below) demonstrate the ME, for both ME and SE commercial privileges?
If I own a non-complex single, this makes sense for me, since if I did
only the ME first, I'd have to meet all the XC requirements.
| Quote: | 1) If I do the SE Comm first, won't I have to do that in a complex
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since it is the initial Commercial?
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No. Typically, you go do the SE comm stuff first, then have 30 days
(or some amount of time) to do the complex demonstration to complete
the
commercial. Take the multi and do the complex demonstration within 30
days of the SE comm stuff, and you don't need a complex SE airplane.
Be advised that many DE's are confused on the ordering of all this, as
was my DE here. However, my DE did some research and discovered that
doing the multi-single-comm this way was legit. It does make sense if
you think about it. |
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Robert M. Gary
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:13 am Post subject: Re: Commercial Multi Engine first |
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On Apr 20, 6:45 pm, kevmor <kev...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In a previous post, I read the following. Where can I find this in
the regulations, that you can do the commercial in a SE non-complex
aircraft first, then the same day (or some amount of time as said
below) demonstrate the ME, for both ME and SE commercial privileges?
If I own a non-complex single, this makes sense for me, since if I did
only the ME first, I'd have to meet all the XC requirements.
1) If I do the SE Comm first, won't I have to do that in a complex
airplane
since it is the initial Commercial?
No. Typically, you go do the SE comm stuff first, then have 30 days
(or some amount of time) to do the complex demonstration to complete
the
commercial. Take the multi and do the complex demonstration within 30
days of the SE comm stuff, and you don't need a complex SE airplane.
Be advised that many DE's are confused on the ordering of all this, as
was my DE here. However, my DE did some research and discovered that
doing the multi-single-comm this way was legit. It does make sense if
you think about it.
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You can do the complex in the Multi. We used to do SE/ME commericals
on the same day. The student would go up in the Cessna 140 with the
examiner, than the 310. The student walked off with a commerial ME&SE.
-Robert |
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Commercial Multi Engine first |
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kevmor wrote:
| Quote: | 1) If I do the SE Comm first, won't I have to do that in a complex
airplane
since it is the initial Commercial?
No. Typically, you go do the SE comm stuff first, then have 30 days
(or some amount of time) to do the complex demonstration to complete
the
commercial. Take the multi and do the complex demonstration within 30
days of the SE comm stuff, and you don't need a complex SE airplane.
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Well, ultimately you do. You might as well kill two birds with one stone. I
did my entire commercial checkride in a Arrow, although I did all of my
commercial training except the last hour and a half in a 172. Then later when I
did the multi training, I ended up with a commercial license with privileges in
both single and multi airplanes.
I earned my instrument rating before the commercial, so that rating just says
Instrument - Airplane.
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com |
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Peter Clark
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:53 am Post subject: Re: Commercial Multi Engine first |
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Nothing says you have to do the SEL first. IIUC, you do need to use a
complex for the initial commercial though, regardless of whether it's
MEL or SEL since the other is an add-on. Logically looking at it, how
can you add-on a rating to a certificate you don't have? Once you've
done the MEL commercial, the single is an addon and can be done in a
non-complex. If you do the single in a complex it won't matter and
the MEL becomes the addon.
On 23 Apr 2007 13:49:33 -0700, kevmor <kevmor (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | Robert, I questioned two examiners, one said it would be fine to do
the SEL commerical in a non-complex, then the MEL commercial to obtain
both the SE and ME. He said he'd want to do it on two separate days,
though (which makes it easier for me anyway). I assume I wouldn't get
the temporary certificate for the SEL commercial until the MEL is
completed, because of it not being complex.
The other examiner said it wouldn't be possible, since you must use a
complex for the SEL (initial). Do you know which one is correct?
On Apr 20, 9:16 pm, "Robert M. Gary" <N70...@gmail.com> wrote:
You can do the complex in the Multi. We used to do SE/ME commericals
on the same day. The student would go up in the Cessna 140 with the
examiner, than the 310. The student walked off with a commerial ME&SE.
-Robert
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kevmor
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:18 am Post subject: Re: Commercial Multi Engine first |
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Can you put down two planes being used for the SEL, one being the one
used for the maneuvers, etc, the other being the one used to
demonstrate the complex aircraft (with a MEL)?
On Apr 23, 2:53 pm, Peter Clark
<Inval...@NotIn.YourLifetime.com.hatespam> wrote:
| Quote: | Nothing says you have to do the SEL first. IIUC, you do need to use a
complex for the initial commercial though, regardless of whether it's
MEL or SEL since the other is an add-on. Logically looking at it, how
can you add-on a rating to a certificate you don't have? Once you've
done the MEL commercial, the single is an addon and can be done in a
non-complex. If you do the single in a complex it won't matter and
the MEL becomes the addon. |
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Peter Clark
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:31 am Post subject: Re: Commercial Multi Engine first |
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I think you can use two aircraft for the SEL, one complex SEL and one
non-complex SEL, but I tend to doubt that using a SEL and MEL aircraft
to complete all required tasks for a SEL ride would be allowable.
On 23 Apr 2007 15:18:54 -0700, kevmor <kevmor (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | Can you put down two planes being used for the SEL, one being the one
used for the maneuvers, etc, the other being the one used to
demonstrate the complex aircraft (with a MEL)?
On Apr 23, 2:53 pm, Peter Clark
Inval...@NotIn.YourLifetime.com.hatespam> wrote:
Nothing says you have to do the SEL first. IIUC, you do need to use a
complex for the initial commercial though, regardless of whether it's
MEL or SEL since the other is an add-on. Logically looking at it, how
can you add-on a rating to a certificate you don't have? Once you've
done the MEL commercial, the single is an addon and can be done in a
non-complex. If you do the single in a complex it won't matter and
the MEL becomes the addon. |
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Commercial Multi Engine first |
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kevmor wrote:
| Quote: | The other examiner said it wouldn't be possible, since you must use a
complex for the SEL (initial). Do you know which one is correct?
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I have known some cheapskates who divided up their SEL commercial checkride into
simple/complex portions using a 172 for the first and an Arrow for the second.
Personally, I figured after the extra startup, taxi, etc that it just wasn't
worth the bother. But I know it can and has been done.
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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