AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Cessna BRS Goto page 1, 2  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aircraft Design & Building View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Skyman1957 Guest Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:06 am    Post subject: Cessna BRS Q: Will the new Cessna LSA have a factory installed ballistic recovery parachute option? Yes or No. Let me know your gut feeling. I want to see if group intelligence theory works. Thanks in advance! Skyman1957 Back to top john smith Guest Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: Cessna BRS In article <1176505594.441903.220400 (AT) d57g2000hsg (DOT) googlegroups.com>, "Skyman1957" <samail1 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: Q: Will the new Cessna LSA have a factory installed ballistic recovery parachute option? Yes or No. Let me know your gut feeling. I want to see if group intelligence theory works. Thanks in advance! Still to early. Cessna only has one flying prototype. There is no mention of preliminary study on the BRS website. Cessna has not made any mention of including it. Back to top Skyman1957 Guest Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:09 am    Post subject: Re: Cessna BRS Thanks John. But what I'm looking for is your gut feeling, not evidence of. The theory is that asked a straight forward question the majority or average response of a large number of people is allot more reliable than individual experts. From the book "The Wisdom of Crowds" if your interested. On Apr 13, 5:01 pm, john smith <johnsm...@net.net> wrote: Quote: In article <1176505594.441903.220...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, "Skyman1957" <sama...@verizon.net> wrote: Q: Will the new Cessna LSA have a factory installed ballistic recovery parachute option? Yes or No. Let me know your gut feeling. I want to see if group intelligence theory works. Thanks in advance! Still to early. Cessna only has one flying prototype. There is no mention of preliminary study on the BRS website. Cessna has not made any mention of including it. Back to top Morgans Guest Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:28 am    Post subject: Re: Cessna BRS "Skyman1957" <samail1 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message news:1176505594.441903.220400 (AT) d57g2000hsg (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: Q: Will the new Cessna LSA have a factory installed ballistic recovery parachute option? Yes or No. Let me know your gut feeling. I want to see if group intelligence theory works. Thanks in advance! Yes. It seems to be a big factor in people choosing a new plane, such as in the Cirrus. Also, it will help people moving up from ultralights be comfortable with it. -- Jim in NC Back to top Vaughn Simon Guest Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:31 am    Post subject: Re: Cessna BRS "Skyman1957" <samail1 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message news:1176505594.441903.220400 (AT) d57g2000hsg (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: Q: Will the new Cessna LSA have a factory installed ballistic recovery parachute option? Yes or No. Let me know your gut feeling. I want to see if group intelligence theory works. Thanks in advance! Given that the BRS has long been available for the 150/152, 172 and 182, yet I have never seen one, I would say that the market has spoken. (or as least is speaking) I don't know what the projected payload of the new Cessna LSA might be, but a 152 with full tanks is damn near a one passenger plane, given the weight of today's typical pilot. (do you want fries with that?) Not much payload left to waste on new systems. Vaughn Back to top Drew Dalgleish Guest Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:52 am    Post subject: Re: Cessna BRS My gut feeling is that cessna won't ever market an LSA. On 13 Apr 2007 16:06:34 -0700, "Skyman1957" <samail1 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: Q: Will the new Cessna LSA have a factory installed ballistic recovery parachute option? Yes or No. Let me know your gut feeling. I want to see if group intelligence theory works. Thanks in advance! Skyman1957 Back to top Peter Dohm Guest Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:54 am    Post subject: Re: Cessna BRS Quote: Q: Will the new Cessna LSA have a factory installed ballistic recovery parachute option? Yes or No. Let me know your gut feeling. I want to see if group intelligence theory works. Thanks in advance! Skyman1957 NO. At least not as standard equipment. Peter Back to top Jim Logajan Guest Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Cessna BRS "Skyman1957" <samail1 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: Q: Will the new Cessna LSA have a factory installed ballistic recovery parachute option? Yes or No. Let me know your gut feeling. I want to see if group intelligence theory works. Thanks in advance! My useless opinion: Since LSA already exist with BRS either as an option or as standard equipment, I think they will have to strongly consider it from a marketing perspective. When all is said and done, though, I think they wont because the bean-counters will win over the marketers. Back to top James Sleeman Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:41 am    Post subject: Re: Cessna BRS On Apr 14, 12:52 pm, idontwantanys...@thankyou.com (Drew Dalgleish) wrote: Quote: My gut feeling is that cessna won't ever market an LSA. I'd wager with you that you are wrong. There is a LOT of money in LSA, and it's money that will not go into thier existiing aircraft if they did not go through with LSA production. Cessna would be total fools to not go through with the plans for the planes. Back to top Peter Dohm Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:24 am    Post subject: Re: Cessna BRS "James Sleeman" <bitsyboffin (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1176594083.088301.122840 (AT) o5g2000hsb (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: On Apr 14, 12:52 pm, idontwantanys...@thankyou.com (Drew Dalgleish) wrote: My gut feeling is that cessna won't ever market an LSA. I'd wager with you that you are wrong. There is a LOT of money in LSA, and it's money that will not go into thier existiing aircraft if they did not go through with LSA production. Cessna would be total fools to not go through with the plans for the planes. Cessna is also a long time proponent of having a "family" of airplanes, so that a new pilot can begin with an entry level aircraft and then move up an finances and experience justify. Since LSA is currently touted, mainly by FAA, as a "stepping stone" rating, I agree with you that Cessna will almost certainly produce an LSA. Peter Back to top Phil Guest Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Cessna BRS Don,t know if Cessna will offer a BRS for the LSA model , they should sell millions of them at only $ 100,000 a piece , one can get a nice Aeronca or T Craft for $ 25,000 , these new planes are tauted as the every-man,s plane , most of the croud that I hang with won't be able to afford a 1/10 of a million dollar plane. Middlefield Phil "Skyman1957" <samail1 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message news:1176505594.441903.220400 (AT) d57g2000hsg (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: Q: Will the new Cessna LSA have a factory installed ballistic recovery parachute option? Yes or No. Let me know your gut feeling. I want to see if group intelligence theory works. Thanks in advance! Skyman1957 Back to top Gig 601XL Builder Guest Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Cessna BRS john smith wrote: Quote: In article <bZ5Uh.113542$nh4.2013 (AT) newsfe20 (DOT) lga>, "Maxwell" <luv2fly99 (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: I vote it will be an option, but not included. I would concur with that. An issue is the additional weight of the BRS to an already weight l imited aircraft. Granted, the weight limit is an artificial one. The weight limit none-the-less dictates the design. I agree. The weight will kill it. What suprises me is that the FAA didn't grant a wiaver for BRS weight in LSA as they did in for ultralights with floats. Back to top Jim Logajan Guest Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:20 am    Post subject: Re: Cessna BRS "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote: Quote: john smith wrote: An issue is the additional weight of the BRS to an already weight l imited aircraft. Granted, the weight limit is an artificial one. The weight limit none-the-less dictates the design. I agree. The weight will kill it. What exactly is the weight penalty for a BRS? For an LSA my understanding is that total system weight was in the ~29 to ~35 lb range. (Or put another way, around 5 to 6 gallons of fuel.) Price penalty would probably in the ~US$4100 to 4500 range. Both BRS Parachutes and Magnum Parachutes seem to offer comparable products in price and system weights: http://www.brsparachutes.com/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=84 http://www.magnumparachutes.com/products.htm Back to top Gig 601XL Builder Guest Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Cessna BRS Jim Logajan wrote: Quote: "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote: john smith wrote: An issue is the additional weight of the BRS to an already weight l imited aircraft. Granted, the weight limit is an artificial one. The weight limit none-the-less dictates the design. I agree. The weight will kill it. What exactly is the weight penalty for a BRS? For an LSA my understanding is that total system weight was in the ~29 to ~35 lb range. (Or put another way, around 5 to 6 gallons of fuel.) Price penalty would probably in the ~US$4100 to 4500 range. Both BRS Parachutes and Magnum Parachutes seem to offer comparable products in price and system weights: http://www.brsparachutes.com/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=84 http://www.magnumparachutes.com/products.htm That weight is the only the BRS itself and not what would have to be done to the airframe itself to add the system and while it doesn't seem like a lot it is about 10% of the useful load of an LSA and it is weight that is much further back than the fuel tanks so it will count for more in virtually any LSA installation. Don't forget to add to the price that it will have to repacked every 6 years. While I don't know what they charge I'd bet it ain't cheap. Plus I never really liked the idea of having an explosive device right behind my head. And yes, I not particularly thrilled about having one in front of me aimed at my chest in my car either, but a lot more of those have been built and I figure most of the bugs have been worked out. Back to top Morgans Guest Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Cessna BRS "Gig 601XL Builder" <> wrote> Quote: That weight is the only the BRS itself and not what would have to be done to the airframe itself to add the system and while it doesn't seem like a lot it is about 10% of the useful load of an LSA 130+ pounds? 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