AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Commercial / Multiengine rating, combined?          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aviation (Students) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message kevmor Guest Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:58 am    Post subject: Commercial / Multiengine rating, combined? If I want to get the commercial and multiengine rating (and commercial single engine as well), could I do both at the same time and would there be any benefit? My club requires a minimum of 5 hours with their CFI to be checked out in a 172RG or 182RG, and 10 hours in the Seminole. For the checkride, could I do everything in the SE and then use the ME for the ME maneuvers? Before I was thinking of doing the commercial SE before even starting the ME, and then doing a second ME checkride. Back to top Peter Clark Guest Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:12 am    Post subject: Re: Commercial / Multiengine rating, combined? On 11 Apr 2007 15:58:33 -0700, "kevmor" <kevmor (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: If I want to get the commercial and multiengine rating (and commercial single engine as well), could I do both at the same time and would there be any benefit? My club requires a minimum of 5 hours with their CFI to be checked out in a 172RG or 182RG, and 10 hours in the Seminole. For the checkride, could I do everything in the SE and then use the ME for the ME maneuvers? Before I was thinking of doing the commercial SE before even starting the ME, and then doing a second ME checkride. If you do the CP/AMEL the CP/ASEL becomes an addon and you only have to demonstrate the stuff not covered on the MEL checkride. The addon can then be done in a fixed-gear 172 if so inclined since all the complex and retract stuff would be covered as part of the MEL ride. Back to top Mortimer Schnerd, RN Guest Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject: Re: Commercial / Multiengine rating, combined? kevmor wrote: Quote: Even a C-150 for the CP/ASEL addon? I own a 150, maybe I can practice learning the maneuvers in it since I don't have to pay for rental, then do the multi-engine training and CP/AMEL, then get the CP/ASEL in the 150. Is this a good idea? Do you think it would take me longer in the multi without doing the complex SE first (I have no complex experience)? If you own a C-150 , I'd certainly learn the commercial maneuvers in it first. I did about 8 hours or so in a C-172, then almost 2 more hours in the Arrow right before the checkride so I wouldn't be doing the maneuvers for the first time in a complex aircraft while on the actual checkride. If anything, the maneuvers are easier in the complex because you set the throttle and don't worry about the prop overspeeding so much as you might in the smaller AC. Frankly, I don't remember doing anything other than ME stuff on my ME checkride, even though it was for a commercial ME rating. The commercial SE was done some years before. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com Back to top Mark Manes Guest Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject: Re: Commercial / Multiengine rating, combined? I had 1000 hours in a Skylane when I got my commercial/multi engine rating. I already had an instrument rating. My instructor said that I wouldnt have to do the manuvers if I combined the two. For my checkride (from memory..it was 6 yrs ago) I had to demonstrate VMC, power on and power off stalls, stop and restart critical engine. We did 3 approaches, 2 with simulated engine out and all with the hood on. The oral was about 2 hrs and mostly aircraft systems & procedures. I didnt have to do the 8's about a pylon, chandella's (spelling) and the other manuvers for the commercial rating. I took the check ride in my 310. My pilots license says my rating is: Commercial Pilot, Multi Engine Land, Instrument Airplane, Private Priveleges, Airplane Single Engine Land. Mark N28409 WC5I "kevmor" <kevmor (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1176332313.267755.41160 (AT) d57g2000hsg (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: If I want to get the commercial and multiengine rating (and commercial single engine as well), could I do both at the same time and would there be any benefit? My club requires a minimum of 5 hours with their CFI to be checked out in a 172RG or 182RG, and 10 hours in the Seminole. For the checkride, could I do everything in the SE and then use the ME for the ME maneuvers? Before I was thinking of doing the commercial SE before even starting the ME, and then doing a second ME checkride. Back to top BT Guest Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject: Re: Commercial / Multiengine rating, combined? I prepared for both at the same time.. I completed all of the required commercial maneuvers in a Cherokee Arrow Then within a month I completed the MEL requirements to the Commercial level to include all of the instrument work previously mentioned in another post. BT "kevmor" <kevmor (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1176332313.267755.41160 (AT) d57g2000hsg (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: If I want to get the commercial and multiengine rating (and commercial single engine as well), could I do both at the same time and would there be any benefit? My club requires a minimum of 5 hours with their CFI to be checked out in a 172RG or 182RG, and 10 hours in the Seminole. For the checkride, could I do everything in the SE and then use the ME for the ME maneuvers? Before I was thinking of doing the commercial SE before even starting the ME, and then doing a second ME checkride. Back to top kevmor Guest Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject: Re: Commercial / Multiengine rating, combined? Even a C-150 for the CP/ASEL addon? I own a 150, maybe I can practice learning the maneuvers in it since I don't have to pay for rental, then do the multi-engine training and CP/AMEL, then get the CP/ASEL in the 150. Is this a good idea? Do you think it would take me longer in the multi without doing the complex SE first (I have no complex experience)? Peter Clark wrote: Quote: On 11 Apr 2007 15:58:33 -0700, "kevmor" <kevmor (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: If I want to get the commercial and multiengine rating (and commercial single engine as well), could I do both at the same time and would there be any benefit? My club requires a minimum of 5 hours with their CFI to be checked out in a 172RG or 182RG, and 10 hours in the Seminole. For the checkride, could I do everything in the SE and then use the ME for the ME maneuvers? Before I was thinking of doing the commercial SE before even starting the ME, and then doing a second ME checkride. If you do the CP/AMEL the CP/ASEL becomes an addon and you only have to demonstrate the stuff not covered on the MEL checkride. The addon can then be done in a fixed-gear 172 if so inclined since all the complex and retract stuff would be covered as part of the MEL ride. 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