AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Dreaming STARS          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Instrument Flight Rules View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Guest Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Dreaming STARS Was I dreaming? Or did I once hear that RNP 1 and 2 stars/sids had been published in the USA? I see type A and B, but these are RNAV, and so must have no RNP requirement whatsoever, and can be flown by any /G aircraft. Anyone provide some info? Stan Back to top Stan Prevost Guest Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Dreaming STARS The RNAV A and B are now RNAV 1 and 2. <pstanley55 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:gae6035sdm8ej5pe1rlsai7qfk3leif4a1 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Quote: Was I dreaming? Or did I once hear that RNP 1 and 2 stars/sids had been published in the USA? I see type A and B, but these are RNAV, and so must have no RNP requirement whatsoever, and can be flown by any /G aircraft. Anyone provide some info? Stan Back to top Guest Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Dreaming STARS Ror RNAV 1 and 2 then, can you explain what the 1 and 2 mean, and any relation to RNP 1 and 2? On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:39:13 -0500, "Stan Prevost" <sprevost (AT) knology (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: The RNAV A and B are now RNAV 1 and 2. pstanley55 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:gae6035sdm8ej5pe1rlsai7qfk3leif4a1 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Was I dreaming? Or did I once hear that RNP 1 and 2 stars/sids had been published in the USA? I see type A and B, but these are RNAV, and so must have no RNP requirement whatsoever, and can be flown by any /G aircraft. Anyone provide some info? Stan Back to top Stan Prevost Guest Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Dreaming STARS Sorry, I don't have (or know) a concise explanation of the relationship between the RNAV requirements and RNP requirements. I was just pointing out a recent change. Here are some references. https://www.jeppesen.com/download/briefbull/bulletinjep_07_A.pdf http://www.faa.gov/ats/atp/rnp/ac_90-100a.pdf http://www.faa.gov/ats/atp/rnp/rnav.htm http://tinyurl.com/2snraa Stan <pstanley55 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:m2n703tpbnbmqjetqdkoj4th3rr1q4ode4 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Quote: Ror RNAV 1 and 2 then, can you explain what the 1 and 2 mean, and any relation to RNP 1 and 2? On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:39:13 -0500, "Stan Prevost" sprevost (AT) knology (DOT) net> wrote: The RNAV A and B are now RNAV 1 and 2. pstanley55 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:gae6035sdm8ej5pe1rlsai7qfk3leif4a1 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Was I dreaming? Or did I once hear that RNP 1 and 2 stars/sids had been published in the USA? I see type A and B, but these are RNAV, and so must have no RNP requirement whatsoever, and can be flown by any /G aircraft. Anyone provide some info? Stan Back to top fbastok@gmail.com Guest Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Dreaming STARS On 23 mar, 16:11, "Stan Prevost" <s...@sprevost.net> wrote: Quote: Sorry, I don't have (or know) a concise explanation of the relationship between the RNAV requirements and RNP requirements. I was just pointing out a recent change. Here are some references. RNAV usually means B-RNAV which is "aircraft must not deviate more than 5 NM from the route during 95% of time". So B-RNAV=RNP 5. we begin to see RNP 2 and RNP 1 for more accurancy (RNP1=P-RNAV, precision-RNAV). SID/STAR are usually RNP 1 already in Europe. Enroute are RNP 5 or 2. RNP1 can not be flown safely by a human being. So expect radar vectors for departure/arrival Fred Back to top Guest Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:39 am    Post subject: Re: Dreaming STARS On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:11:55 -0500, "Stan Prevost" <stan (AT) sprevost (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: Sorry, I don't have (or know) a concise explanation of the relationship between the RNAV requirements and RNP requirements. I was just pointing out a recent change. Here are some references. https://www.jeppesen.com/download/briefbull/bulletinjep_07_A.pdf http://www.faa.gov/ats/atp/rnp/ac_90-100a.pdf http://www.faa.gov/ats/atp/rnp/rnav.htm http://tinyurl.com/2snraa Stan pstanley55 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:m2n703tpbnbmqjetqdkoj4th3rr1q4ode4 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Ror RNAV 1 and 2 then, can you explain what the 1 and 2 mean, and any relation to RNP 1 and 2? Thanks Stan. All good info. BTW, I never did see any requirement that RNAV 1 or RNAV 2 sids or stars have the designation of RNP 1 or 2. So....while one may think obvioulsy it does, the FAA does not use that RNP terminology in the the way RNP 10, for example, is required in the Pacific. Stan Back to top Guest Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:44 am    Post subject: Re: Dreaming STARS On 2 Apr 2007 06:35:11 -0700, "fbastok (AT) gmail (DOT) com" <fbastok (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: On 23 mar, 16:11, "Stan Prevost" <s...@sprevost.net> wrote: Sorry, I don't have (or know) a concise explanation of the relationship between the RNAV requirements and RNP requirements. I was just pointing out a recent change. Here are some references. RNAV usually means B-RNAV which is "aircraft must not deviate more than 5 NM from the route during 95% of time". So B-RNAV=RNP 5. we begin to see RNP 2 and RNP 1 for more accurancy (RNP1=P-RNAV, precision-RNAV). SID/STAR are usually RNP 1 already in Europe. Enroute are RNP 5 or 2. RNP1 can not be flown safely by a human being. So expect radar vectors for departure/arrival Thanks Fred. So if BRNAV is RNP 5, why use the term BRNAV? While I've heard of PRNAV, I've not seen that one **needs** RNP 1 in order to be PRNAV approved, Similarly, I don't think in the US operators will need RNP1 or 2 approval to fly the new RNAV 1 or 2 sids/stars. All very murky to me.. 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