AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  8710 for CFII          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Instrument Flight Rules View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Steven Barnes Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: 8710 for CFII I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time. For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor & "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-) -- crash7 (AT) ameritech (DOT) net CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI Back to top Robert M. Gary Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: 8710 for CFII On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" <cra...@ameritech.net> wrote: Quote: I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time. For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor & "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-) -- cra...@ameritech.net CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI "additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710 isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all 3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days). -robert, CFII Back to top Bill Zaleski Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: 8710 for CFII On 4 Apr 2007 20:39:42 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" <N7093v (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" <cra...@ameritech.net> wrote: I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time. For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor & "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-) -- cra...@ameritech.net CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI "additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710 isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all 3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days). -robert, CFII The 60 day endorsement does not apply to CFI practical tests. Back to top Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: 8710 for CFII On Apr 5, 7:58 am, Bill Zaleski <w...@instrumentratings.com> wrote: Quote: On 4 Apr 2007 20:39:42 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" <N70...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" <cra...@ameritech.net> wrote: I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time. For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor & "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-) -- cra...@ameritech.net CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI "additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710 isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all 3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days). -robert, CFII The 60 day endorsement does not apply to CFI practical tests.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do still need to get the logbook endorsement for receiving training under 61.187 (b)(7) *i think this is the right one*, and review of questions I missed on the FII written. That should happen in a couple days. I just need to figure out which checkboxes to hit on the 8710. Anyone have any advice for the ride? Questions that stumped them? Cool things they learned from the examiner during the ride? Back to top Bill Zaleski Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: 8710 for CFII On 4 Apr 2007 20:39:42 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" <N7093v (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" <cra...@ameritech.net> wrote: I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time. For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor & "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-) -- cra...@ameritech.net CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI "additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710 isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all 3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days). -robert, CFII On the IACRA application software, select new application for Instructor, not pilot, then within step #2, select flight instructor, Part 61, and added instrument rating. You do not even have the option of selecting CP-ASEL, instrument, since you are not altering your pilot certificate. There are no boxes to check like there are on a paper application. Back to top Robert M. Gary Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: 8710 for CFII On Apr 5, 5:58 am, Bill Zaleski <w...@instrumentratings.com> wrote: Quote: On 4 Apr 2007 20:39:42 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" <N70...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" <cra...@ameritech.net> wrote: I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time. For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor & "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-) -- cra...@ameritech.net CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI "additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710 isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all 3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days). -robert, CFII The 60 day endorsement does not apply to CFI practical tests.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, in fact we had a CFI checkride scrubed by the DE because the instructor forgot the 60 day endorsement. -Robert Back to top Robert M. Gary Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:26 pm    Post subject: Re: 8710 for CFII On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" <cra...@ameritech.net> wrote: Quote: I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time. For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor & "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-) -- cra...@ameritech.net CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI Hey, why are you using an 8710? I thought the FAA was only accepting those in situations where you can show that you don't have access to a PC. All our checkrides are doing using the online system. Its much easier to use, and it figure out what boxes to do for you. -robert Back to top Robert M. Gary Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: 8710 for CFII On Apr 5, 7:06 am, cra...@ameritech.net wrote: Quote: On Apr 5, 7:58 am, Bill Zaleski <w...@instrumentratings.com> wrote: On 4 Apr 2007 20:39:42 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" <N70...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" <cra...@ameritech.net> wrote: I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time. For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor & "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-) -- cra...@ameritech.net CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI "additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710 isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all 3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days). -robert, CFII The 60 day endorsement does not apply to CFI practical tests.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do still need to get the logbook endorsement for receiving training under 61.187 (b)(7) *i think this is the right one*, and review of questions I missed on the FII written. That should happen in a couple days. I just need to figure out which checkboxes to hit on the 8710. Anyone have any advice for the ride? Questions that stumped them? Cool things they learned from the examiner during the ride?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Know the insides of all the pitot static instruments, be able to talk about annoyed waffers a lot. Expect to be read several clearances and be asked which ones are complete (include the necessary elements). Memorize all the part 61 requirements for the instrument rating applicant. Have a complete set of lesson plans for a simulated student ( I just printed some off the web from another CFII applicant ). The flight itself was probably the easiest ride I've had outside of my two sea checkrides. -Robert, CFII (land and sea) Back to top Ron Natalie Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: Re: 8710 for CFII Robert M. Gary wrote: Quote: Know the insides of all the pitot static instruments, be able to talk about annoyed waffers a lot. mmmmmmmmm...annnerrroid waaaffferrs...mm Back to top Bill Zaleski Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:15 pm    Post subject: Re: 8710 for CFII On 5 Apr 2007 10:25:13 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" <N7093v (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: On Apr 5, 5:58 am, Bill Zaleski <w...@instrumentratings.com> wrote: On 4 Apr 2007 20:39:42 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" <N70...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" <cra...@ameritech.net> wrote: I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time. For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor & "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-) -- cra...@ameritech.net CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI "additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710 isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all 3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days). -robert, CFII The 60 day endorsement does not apply to CFI practical tests.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, in fact we had a CFI checkride scrubed by the DE because the instructor forgot the 60 day endorsement. Well then, the DE is wrong. There is no requirement. The requirement is in the Part 61 FAR's under aeronautical experience (IF required) for each certificate or rating sought. It is not required for CFI's or ATP applicants, but is for all other certificates and ratings. The DE's cannot make up their own rules. Your CFI applicant got screwed because the DE didn't know the rules he is held to as a designated examiner. The rules are not negotiable between FSDO's. An application signed by a recommending CFI for another CFI applicant is actually good forever and does not expire in 60 days like most others do. FAR 61.39 (a) (6) requires the 60 day endorsement only IF required elsewhere in the Part 61 regs. Quote: -Robert Back to top Jim Burns Guest Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:08 am    Post subject: Re: 8710 for CFII My CFII oral was strictly safety, limitations, and common sense real life teaching questions as related to teaching instrument flying. Almost every question started out with "How or what would you teach your student...." The inflight portion consisted of demonstration, teaching, and questions that pertained to the immediate task. I agree with Robert, it was also my easiest checkride. Jim CFII / MEI no sea Back to top Robert M. Gary Guest Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:32 am    Post subject: Re: 8710 for CFII On Apr 5, 11:15 am, Bill Zaleski <w...@instrumentratings.com> wrote: Quote: On 5 Apr 2007 10:25:13 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" <N70...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 5, 5:58 am, Bill Zaleski <w...@instrumentratings.com> wrote: On 4 Apr 2007 20:39:42 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" <N70...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" <cra...@ameritech.net> wrote: I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time. For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor & "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-) -- cra...@ameritech.net CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI "additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710 isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all 3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days). -robert, CFII The 60 day endorsement does not apply to CFI practical tests.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, in fact we had a CFI checkride scrubed by the DE because the instructor forgot the 60 day endorsement. Well then, the DE is wrong. There is no requirement. Either way, the DE called the FSDO, which confirmed it (no 60 day endorsement, no CFI ride) and the ride was canceled. -Robert Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Instrument Flight Rules All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Aviation----------------alt.aviationAviation safety EnhancementPlanes, gliders and flying in AustraliaAviation et pilotage (Français)rec.aviationAviation (Aerobatics)Hot air, gas balloons and airshipsHang-gliding, paragliding, foot-launched flightAircraft Design & BuildingInstrument Flight RulesAviation (Classifieds)Military AircraftNaval AviationAviation (Miscellaneous Topics)Owning AirplanesAviators (General Discussions)Aviation related productsAircraft RestorationHelicopters and rotary wing aircraftsFlight SimulationSailplanesAviation (Students)Light aircraftFlying related activities in the UK Airports----------------alt.airportsEdinburgh Airport Glasgow Airport Humberside Airport Luton Airport Aberdeen Airport Glasgow Prestwick Airport  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.