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Honest Aryan
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 Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: Another Apology |
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My fellow racists (Whites only),
I should like to apologise for Guardian-BBC:
sorry.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: Another Apology |
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Honest Aryan wrote:
Spammer! |
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Ralph wiggum
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:37 am Post subject: Re: Another Apology |
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On 1 Apr, 11:35, "Honest Aryan" <h...@centralpets.com> wrote:
Are you a genuine Aryan? did you know that it means you are from
Persia-not Scandinavia- Shitler got it wrong,amongst many other things |
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Honest Aryan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Another Apology |
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On All Fool's Day "Ralph wiggum" <validatp...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Are you a genuineAryan? did you know that it means you are from
Persia-not Scandinavia- Shitler got it wrong,amongst many other things
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,926038,00.html
"Later migrations coincided with the expansion of the
Indo-European(*) languages, including Latin, German, Sanskrit
and English. Linguists have long sought a homeland for the
Indo-Europeans. The genetic data favours an origin on
the Russian steppes with a group of nomadic farmers known
as the Kurgan who domesticated the horse and rode out to
invade India and Europe. Studies of Irish Y-chromosomes
indicate that the British Isles represents the western
edge of that migration."
(*)'Indo-European' is PC-speak for Aryan.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Another Apology |
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On 2 Apr, 13:15, "Honest Aryan" <h...@centralpets.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On All Fool's Day "Ralph wiggum" <validatp...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Are you a genuineAryan? did you know that it means you are from
Persia-not Scandinavia- Shitler got it wrong,amongst many other things
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,926038,00.html
"Later migrations coincided with the expansion of the
Indo-European(*) languages, including Latin, German, Sanskrit
and English. Linguists have long sought a homeland for the
Indo-Europeans. The genetic data favours an origin on
the Russian steppes with a group of nomadic farmers known
as the Kurgan who domesticated the horse and rode out to
invade India and Europe. Studies of Irish Y-chromosomes
indicate that the British Isles represents the western
edge of that migration."
(*)'Indo-European' is PC-speak for Aryan.
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Indo-eurpean is a language group. There is no fixed link between
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Honest Aryan
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: Re: Another Apology |
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On 2 Apr, 16:20, "1Z" <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Indo-eurpean is a language group. There is no fixed link between
language and genetics.
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'Indo-eurpean' (sic) is geographical, philological
and genealogical PC nonsense.
*FACT* is Aryan is what they called THEMSELVES,
their land and their language.
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/ANCINDIA/ARYANS.HTM
"This concept of nobility, in fact, seems to lie at the
heart of Indo-European consciousness, for it appears
in another country's name, 'Ireland,' or 'Eire'."
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Honest Aryan
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: Another Apology |
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<dorothydax (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | Actually, "Sanskrit" is not a language. Unlike Latin Sanskrit doesn't
even have a grammar!
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Well...
http://www.vaidilute.com/books/gimbutas/gimbutas-02.html
“Dievas davė dantis; Dievas duos duonos†(Lithuanian)
“Devas adadÄt datas; Devas dÄt (or dadÄt) dhÄnÄs†(Sanskrit)
“Deus dedit dentes; Deus dabit panem†(Latin)
(“God gave the teeth; God will give breadâ€).
| Quote: | Nope! Genetic have proven that "Indo-European" are mixture of Slavic &
African blood. Native Indians are all Blacks/African like "Native
Australians"! As for Indo-European language; should Mexican be
consider them Roman, because they are called Latino?
Aryan, virtually all of then are from northern part of European.
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Precisely.
'Indo-European' is utterly meaningless, but
it does serve a purpose: it is the language of
dispossession.
Akin to calling Palestinians 'Egypto-Eskimoes'.
Anyway, back to our Aryan heritage:
http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/aryangene.htm
"San Francisco Chronicle, 26 May, 1999
History of Ancient Indian Conquest Told in Modern Genes, Experts Say
Robert Cooke, Newsday
Like an indelible signature enduring through a hundred generations,
genes that entered India when conquering hordes swooped down from
the
north thousands of years ago are still there, and remain entrenched
at
the top of the caste system, scientists report. Analyses of the male
Y
chromosome, plus genes hidden in small cellular bodies called
mitochondria, show that today's genetic patterns agree with accounts
of ancient Indo-European warriors' conquering the Indian
subcontinent.
The invaders apparently shoved the local men aside, took their women
and set up the rigid caste system that exists today. Their
descendants
are still the elite within Hindu society.
INVADING CAUCASOIDS
Thus today's genetic patterns, the researchers explained, vividly
reflect a historic event, or events, that occurred 3,000 or 4,000
years ago. The gene patterns `are consistent with a historical
scenario in which invading Caucasoids - primarily males -
established the caste system and occupied the highest positions,
placing the indigenous population, who were more similar to Asians,
in
lower caste positions.'
The researchers, from the University of Utah and Andhra Pradesh
University in India, used two sets of genes in their analyses.
One set, from the mitochondria, are only passed maternally and can
be
used to track female inheritance. The other, on the male-determining
Y
chromosome, can only be passed along paternally and thus track male
inheritance.
The data imply, then, `that there was a group of males with European
affinities who were largely responsible for this invasion 3,000 or
4,000 years ago,' said geneticist Lynn Jorde of the University of
Utah.
If women had accompanied the invaders, he said, the evidence should
be
seen in the mitochondrial genes, but it is not evident.
According to geneticist Douglas Wallace of Emory University in
Atlanta, the work reported by Jorde and his colleagues `is very
interesting, and is certainly worth further study.'
Along with Jorde, the research team included Michael Bamshad, W.S.
Watkins and M.E. Dixon from Utah and B.B. Rao, B.V.R. Prasad and
J.M.
Naidu, from Andhra Pradesh University.
UPWARDLY MOBILE WOMEN
By studying both sets of genetic markers, the research team found
clear evidence echoing what is still seen socially, that women can
be
upwardly mobile, in terms of caste, if they marry higher-caste men.
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contrast, men generally do not move higher, because women rarely
marry
men from lower castes, the researchers said.
`Our expectations in this natural experiment are borne out when we
look at the genes,' said Jorde. `It's one of the few cases where we
know the mating situation in a population for 150 generations. So
it's
kind of a test for how well the genes reflect a population's
history.'
The ancient story holds that invaders known as Indo-Europeans, or
true
Aryans, came from Eastern Europe or western Asia and conquered the
Indian subcontinent. The people they subdued descended from the
original inhabitants who had arrived far earlier from Africa and
from
other parts of Asia.
During the genetic studies, in 1996 and 1997, researchers took blood
samples from hundreds of people in southern India. The analyses
compared the genes from 316 caste members and 330 members of tribal
populations, looking for signs of Asian, European and African
ancestry.
In the mitochondrial genes passed along by females, Jorde said, they
could see the clear background of Asian genes. `All of the caste
groups were similar to Asians, the underlying population' that had
originally been subdued.
But, he added, `when we look at the Y chromosome DNA, we see a very
different pattern. The lower castes are most similar to Asians, and
the upper castes are more European than Asian.'
Further, `when we look at the different components within the upper
caste, the group with the greatest European similarity of all is the
warrior class, the Kshatriya, who are still at the top of the Hindu
castes, with the Brahmins,' Jorde said.
`But the Brahmins, in terms of their Y chromosomes, are a little bit
more Asian.'
So the genetic results are `consistent with historical accounts that
women sometimes marry into higher caste, resulting in female gene
flow
between adjacent castes. In contrast, males seldom change castes, so
Y
chromosome' variation occurs only as a result of natural mutations,
Jorde said.
CASTE SYSTEM STILL ALIVE
He added that even though India's ancient caste system was abolished
legally in the 1960s, it is still entrenched socially.
`People are very well aware of their caste membership,' he said,
noting that in some cities the housing is still arranged along caste
lines. So `one might argue, unfortunately so, that it (the caste
system) does exist in people's minds.'
In terms of who marries whom, the researchers described the Hindu
caste system as `governing the mating practices of nearly one-sixth
of the world's population.'
The blood samples taken from tribal people in southern India are
still
being analyzed, Jorde added.
But so far, `the tribal populations are more similar to the lower
castes than to anyone else, similar to the original residents of
India,' he said."
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Autymn D. C.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: Re: Another Apology |
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On Apr 2, 2:01 pm, "Honest Aryan" <h...@centralpets.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 2 Apr, 16:20, "1Z" <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Indo-eurpean is a language group. There is no fixed link between
language and genetics.
'Indo-eurpean' (sic) is geographical, philological
and genealogical PC nonsense.
*FACT* is Aryan is what they called THEMSELVES,
their land and their language.
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/ANCINDIA/ARYANS.HTM
"This concept of nobility, in fact, seems to lie at the
heart of Indo-European consciousness, for it appears
in another country's name, 'Ireland,' or 'Eire'."
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That's a bunch of shit. It doesn't "seem" anything. The "ear" in
"earth" means this-here. The Hibiru word for earth is -erets, very
similar but not related.
http://etymonline.com/index.php?search=Eriu
http://1911encyclopedia.org/Erin
http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Ériu
http://dictionary.com/features/stpatricks.html
iveriu/iverinn, [h]iòuernia, [h]ibernia. Wikipedia says it has
something to do with west. Ibernia is very alike Iberia, southest
Spain, where the Iberians and Celts mated and became the
Celtiberians. Then they may be of the same interest, as Iberians and
Ibernians, where ibe is Iberian for yew from which they made their
bows. The -riu matches the very common functional -r- stem in Europè
that the Romans spred (see Ryan and Eric), here for a kingdom as in
Austria/Österreich. Thus, "ivheriu" means "yewry". :P
http://google.com/search?q=iberian+ibe+yew
http://google.com/search?q=ibe+yew+iber+OR+iben
The òu in the Hellènic word meseems was their lack of the older
digamma for the w sound: hiwern. The iwe is another word for yew.
http://etymonline.com/index.php?search=Aryan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan#Etymology
The alr in alrrljá (Samscrtam-Latin) means hal--hal as in hale, holy,
heal, hail, and whole; the ar in HellènoLatin words such as aristòs,
arkè, arkòn, ars, carrus, arma means fit or wriht. From aristòs came
hair- and hairesè, for choose and choise.
http://etymonline.com/index.php?search=arm
However, as you use the uppercase of alrrlján, you are still not a
Parsi/Farsi/Erani/Irani, a Vedán, a Scuthian, a Hittite, a Mwcénite,
or even a Sumerian. Hav you even any relation to Dalrjáwaush?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darius_I_of_Persia#European_campaigns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire#History
And, no, aur- has nothing to do with a[l]r-. The -ur- is the same
stem as the -ur- in combust and urn, and is the rare stem that shares
EuroIndoIrani and Shemi cognate words: Ur (Glow) in Sumer, kuwr
(white) in ben Hur, and -uwr (fire) and -owr (liht) in aurora:
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=0217&version=kjv.
Hail, thu O(w)r[a]i.
http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ori_(Stargate)
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Honest Aryan
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:12 am Post subject: Re: Another Apology |
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On 26 Apr, 23:38, "Autymn D. C." <lysde...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | That's a bunch of shit. It doesn't "seem" anything. The "ear" in
"earth" means this-here. The Hibiru word for earth is -erets, very
similar but not related.
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'Fraid you've been misinformed, comprehensively,
for the last six decades.
From: Christopher Gwinn <ajgw...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Racism rears its head everywhere and I come to the
rescue
| Quote: | OK, king lord of ignorance, here you go:
PIE root: *ARIO (according to Pokorny)
Irish Aire, Airech "noble/lord" related to Gaulish Ario, Arico"lord/noble,"
both are equivalent of Vedic Arya, aryaka, Avestan Airyo. Also cognate is
Old Norse Arjoster
Irish mythic king Eremon related to Gaulish Ariomanus - equivalent of Vedic
god Aryaman, Avestan Airyaman : literally "noblility" from PIE *ARIO-MEN-OS
Germanic Erminones "noble people" also Wotan/Odinn's allonym, Irmin -
another name related to Vedic Aryaman.
Puhvel has seen the Italian mythic founder Romulus as being a modification
of *Ario-men-os, with his brother Remus being a modified form of *IEM-OS
"twin."
Hogwash, hunh?
-Chris
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Autymn D. C.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:07 am Post subject: Re: Another Apology |
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On Apr 26, 4:12 pm, Honest Aryan <h...@centralpets.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 26 Apr, 23:38, "Autymn D. C." <lysde...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
That's a bunch of shit. It doesn't "seem" anything. The "ear" in
"earth" means this-here. The Hibiru word for earth is -erets, very
similar but not related.
'Fraid you've been misinformed, comprehensively,
for the last six decades.
From: Christopher Gwinn <ajgw...@earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Racism rears its head everywhere and I come to the
rescue
OK, king lord of ignorance, here you go:
PIE root: *ARIO (according to Pokorny)
Irish Aire, Airech "noble/lord" related to Gaulish Ario, Arico"lord/noble,"
both are equivalent of Vedic Arya, aryaka, Avestan Airyo. Also cognate is
Old Norse Arjoster
Irish mythic king Eremon related to Gaulish Ariomanus - equivalent of Vedic
god Aryaman, Avestan Airyaman : literally "noblility" from PIE *ARIO-MEN-OS
Germanic Erminones "noble people" also Wotan/Odinn's allonym, Irmin -
another name related to Vedic Aryaman.
Puhvel has seen the Italian mythic founder Romulus as being a modification
of *Ario-men-os, with his brother Remus being a modified form of *IEM-OS
"twin."
Hogwash, hunh?
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I already reaed this; you're the one misinformed, and without any
readding comprehension. That they named themselvs after root words
has nothing to do with their knowing of their uses; that is, the
lowercase from the uppercase. Anyone whose name is rex or riht or
some derivativ has nothing to do with the gods or castes or folks who
were in and about Iran. That list has no sources, and is shit. The
Irish used e- and er-, which are the same as the Duutish e- and er-.
Look at these stems:
er = he
ihn = him
Eriu: nominativ
Erinn: accusativ
vir, wer = guy, "vi"+"-er, -or"
"world": http://google.com/search?q=Ermintrude
"weasel": http://dictionary.com/browse/ermine
The indirect root of those (Erm-, not Eriu) is Armin/Armen/Arman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia#Name
The root of Armen is Arman, whose root is Aram, as in Aramai but not
[Qh]arab. Aram was a Shemi: http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=0758&version=kjv.
Its root is the same as air, aer, aor, which means lofty, and is not
a[l]r, which still means fit--as in arkitect. You are still full of
shit.
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Honest Aryan
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Another Apology |
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On 27 Apr, 01:07, "Autymn D. C." <lysde...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I already reaed this; you're the one misinformed, and without any
readding comprehension. That they named themselvs after root words
has nothing to do with their knowing of their uses; that is, the
lowercase from the uppercase. Anyone whose name is rex or riht or
some derivativ has nothing to do with the gods or castes or folks who
were in and about Iran.
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This says it all.
No need to follow you down the mysteries of
'er = he ihn = him Eriu: nominativ Erinn: accusativ' etc.
The 'Aryans = Iranians' shit is what you're all about.
Aryans were a vast population, spread across Eurasia,
whose ancient 'capital', Arkaim, was *EAST of the Urals and
who migrated *INTO* Iran *FROM* the North.
Their descendats from their Western migrations are the
Northern European racial archetype.
Get over it, you PC-puking nonce.
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Autymn D. C.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Another Apology |
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On Apr 26, 11:38 pm, Honest Aryan <h...@centralpets.com> wrote:
| Quote: | This says it all.
No need to follow you down the mysteries of
'er = he ihn = him Eriu: nominativ Erinn: accusativ' etc.
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There are no mysteries, as the proof is on every line. So you snip
everything that proves you wrong?
| Quote: | The 'Aryans = Iranians' shit is what you're all about.
Aryans were a vast population, spread across Eurasia,
whose ancient 'capital', Arkaim, was *EAST of the Urals and
who migrated *INTO* Iran *FROM* the North.
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and yet, the subject was about Ireland
| Quote: | Their descendats from their Western migrations are the
Northern European racial archetype.
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when?
| Quote: | Get over it, you PC-puking nonce.
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I hate P, which is why I hate you, shitwitted loser. |
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In article <1177741335.378932.292150 (AT) y80g2000hsf (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
"Autymn D. C." <lysdexia (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Apr 26, 11:38 pm, Honest Aryan <h...@centralpets.com> wrote:
This says it all.
No need to follow you down the mysteries of
'er = he ihn = him Eriu: nominativ Erinn: accusativ' etc.
There are no mysteries, as the proof is on every line. So you snip
everything that proves you wrong?
The 'Aryans = Iranians' shit is what you're all about.
Aryans were a vast population, spread across Eurasia,
whose ancient 'capital', Arkaim, was *EAST of the Urals and
who migrated *INTO* Iran *FROM* the North.
and yet, the subject was about Ireland
Their descendats from their Western migrations are the
Northern European racial archetype.
when?
Get over it, you PC-puking nonce.
I hate P, which is why I hate you, shitwitted loser.
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Looks like you lost this exchange, dearie.
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Honest Aryan
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: Another Apology |
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On 28 Apr, 07:22, "Autymn D. C." <lysde...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | There are no mysteries, as the proof is on every line. So you snip
everything that proves you wrong?
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Your 'proof' is standard PC BS to divert attention to some
elaborately constructed molehill and away from mountains of
*CONSISTENT* evidence proving Aryans were exactly as Hitler claimed.
So Tocharian ('East-ARYAN') mummies dug out of the Tarim Basin have
blond hair and twill wrappings identical to those excavated from Iron
ge 'Celtic' sites in Europe.
Spin on it, bunky.
Love how this paragraph casually puts the boot into your 'race =
skin colour' bollocks:
"Writing about the desert excavation in the March issue of
National Geographic magazine, Thomas B. Allen describes a
Chinese government official pocketing a shard of pottery
that contained a thumbprint - and never mentioning the piece
again - after Allen indicated that an American forensic
anthropologist might be able to determine from the print
'if the potter was a white man.'"
http://www.fi.edu/inquirer/mummy.html
"Mystery of the mummies
By Ellen O'Brien
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
Four thousand years ago, a community lived in the Tarim Basin
- in what is now the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of China -
in the heart of Asia.
The Tarim Basin people thrived there for at least 1,500 years.
There are indications that they survived as a culture even into
the second century.
Then they disappeared.
Now their remains are being reclaimed from the sands, and the
people of that extinct nation are challenging scientists and
scholars to fathom who they may have been, and - if an answer can
be found - where, in prehistory, they came from.
According to sweeping physical evidence, they were not Chinese.
They were not even Asian.
They were Caucasian.
For Victor Mair, a specialist in Chinese language and literature
at the University of Pennsylvania, the naturally mummified bodies
unearthed in the basin's Taklimakan Desert have become a passion.
'The question is whether these people were there for a long, long
time, or whether they migrated in from somewhere else,' he said.
Where did they come from, and why?
Those questions also possess Dolkun Kamberi, a Uygur archaeologist
who grew up in the region and has recovered several of the preserved
corpses.
Kamberi grew up hearing folk stories about non-Chinese people who
had settled the region in some unrecorded time, and about foreign
archaeologists who had found grave sites in the province during the
last century.
As a native Uygur, he has medium brown hair and non-Asian features;
he believes the Tarim Basin people's history is his history.
Some scholars believe the Tarim Basin people probably migrated
through
central Eurasia to the land that, centuries later, became known as
the
southern leg of the famous Silk Route linking East and West.
Learn more about the Silk Road
But Kamberi believes the Tarim Basin people existed as a tribe in the
region from time-before-time; he has discovered a single piece of
human
skull in the mountains near there that dates back a half-million
years,
he said.
'We can't say anything about its ethnic background,' Kamberi said of
the
skull fragment. 'But at least it gives us evidence that 500,000 years
ago there were people there.'
Learning who the Tarim Basin's inhabitants might have been, he said,
is
'very important for writing Asian history, and world history. In my
opinion,
without that region, there would be no Asian history.'
For the last two years, Mair has been organizing an international
conference on the Tarim Basin people. It will run from Friday through
Sunday at the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and
Anthropology,
hosting scholars from Europe, Asia and the United States. The Sunday
afternoon
session is open to the public.
'I think it's premature to draw hard-and-fast conclusions as to who
these
people were, and what language they spoke . . . ,' Mair said.'Why I'm
running
this conference is to get as many people as I can . . . to come in
and
lay it all out.'
Still, Mair - who saw the original collection of mummified corpses in
1987,
at the region's provincial museum - will never forget his own
haunting first
impression of them.
The bodies, recovered from graveyards long overblown with sand, were
exceptionally preserved by the dry climate and the salt deposits in
which
they had been buried.
'I was thunderstruck. . . . I just stood there for a couple of hours.
I
almost thought it was some kind of hoax," he said. 'All of their
bodies were
completely intact. They just looked so alive.'
And with features so stunningly non-Asian.
They were clearly the remains of a Caucasoid people, with dark blond
or
yellowish-brown hair, deep-set eyes, and long limbs.
Among the corpses Mair saw that day were the mummies of a man and
woman from
a joint grave and an infant that had been buried nearby. All three
had been
discovered about 10 years earlier, by Kamberi and his colleagues.
Compare with the Egyptian Mummy of King Ramsses II
'So far, 100 bodies have been excavated . . . ,' Kamberi said. 'I
believe that
in the next 100 years, the land of Central Asia will become an
archaeologist's
dream land.'
In fact, archaeologists have unearthed at least 1,000 more skeletons
in the region,
and countless sites remain unexcavated throughout the shifting desert
sands,
Kamberi said: The provincial government does not have enough money to
house
and protect all the ancient remains.
In one grave, excavators discovered a saddle cover and a pair of
trousers
'with human on one leg - one face had blue eyes," Kamberi said."On
the other leg
was a horse's body, with a human hat. It's some mystery we can find
in the Greek
mysteries - a Greek tale.
'All of them worshiped the sun. . . . We cannot tell if they
worshiped the horse,
' he said."But they buried the horse - not the whole horse each time,
but the
skull and a leg.' Archaeologists don't know what that ritual
symbolized.
The early Tarim Basin people tended sheep and cattle and horses,
practiced some
form of farming, and wove intricately designed cloth from their
sheep's wool.
They dyed the woolen strands brilliant colors; they stamped careful
patterns on
the woolen felt they made by hand.
They used wheels. They erected round houses and culled river reeds
for
house-thatch.
They may have worshiped the bull as well as the sun.
And they buried their dead with ritual and tenderness. The infant
recovered by
Kamberi had been buried with a leather 'bottle" attached to a sheep's
teat. Both
the man and woman had been adorned on their faces with ochre symbols
that
archaeologists believe represented the sun.
In some graves, Mongoloid and Caucasoid bodies were buried side-by-
side. Other
graves contained petrified rack of lamb - complete with barbecue
skewers. And
in clothes materials, Mair said, some weaving techniques appear to
be
'so Celtic, it's mind-boggling.'
'What I'm not going to do is say what I think,' Mair said of the
three-day
conference, which will include ancient-textile specialists and
linguists as
well as genetic scientists and scholars.
'I consciously sought out people who have differing opinions. I don't
want
any gospel statements,' he said.
That attitude is probably the safest Mair could adopt: The ancient
nation of
the Tarim Basin is wrapped as much in controversy as it is in
mystery.
Writing about the desert excavation in the March issue of National
Geographic
magazine, Thomas B. Allen describes a Chinese government official
pocketing a
shard of pottery that contained a thumbprint - and never mentioning
the piece
again - after Allen indicated that an American forensic
anthropologist might
be able to determine from the print' if the potter was a white man.'
In an article Mair wrote for Archaeology magazine last year, he,
himself, says:
'The new finds are also forcing a reexamination of old Chinese books
that
describe historical or legendary figures of great height, with deep-
set blue
or green eyes, long noses, full beards, and red or blond hair.
Scholars have
traditionally scoffed at these accounts, but it now seems that they
may be
accurate.'
Even the language that the Basin people may have spoken is in
dispute. Did it
come from Turkic roots - which is the language of the Uygurs who have
occupied
the region for centuries - or from Indo-European roots?
In Archaeology, Mair writes of the mummies: 'Judging from their
physical
appearance, which ranges from Chinese-looking Mongoloids to European
- and
Afghano-Persian-looking Caucasoids, substantial elements of the
original
population were absorbed by the Uygurs.' As that happened, did the
language of
the earlier people die?
Compare with Egyptian Mummies
The nation of 16 million Uygurs, who have lived in the region for 12
centuries,
know that their first settlements absorbed an earlier group - the
Tocharians.
The Tocharians spoke a language that was closer to German and Celtic
than to
less-distant Indo-Europeans.
But beyond that, much of the Uygurs' history has been shrouded in
folk tales
and legends.
In Chinese, Xinjiang means 'new territory.' Since the 1950s, about 6
million
ethnic Chinese, known as Han, have settled in the Xinjiang Uygur
region.
As an archaeologist, Kamberi feels compelled to unearth, literally,
some knowledge
of his Uygur ancestors - before the Uygur culture is swallowed up
completely by
the Han Chinese culture.
Mair became besotted with Asia as a Peace Corps volunteer in the
mid-'60s; he has since become an expert in early Chinese vernacular
manuscripts, and is
editor of the Columbia Anthology of Traditional Chinese Literature.
He invited Kamberi, who has taught at Columbia University and worked
as special consultant to the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles
County, to spend a year at Penn as a visiting scholar, and to help
organize the weekend conference.
For both men, the conference is a collaboration driven by a sense of
duty - as well
as an opportunity to reach beyond academia-laden seminar debates and
establish the
world-wide importance of the Tarim Basin excavations.
Mair obtained permission from the Chinese government in 1993 to bring
the Italian geneticist Paolo Francalucci with him into the Tarim
Basin's archaeological fields.
He speaks carefully about the research there. The Chinese government
is
scrupulous in overseeing its interests.
But the questions that revolve around the Tarim Basin people are
rippling outward,
beyond the desert- and-mountain region where they originated, in a
widening reach.
Did these people emigrate to Asia in the cloudy period before the
beginnings of
what we call history? How far had they wandered? From southern
Russia?
From the Ukrainian steppes? From Iran? From Turkey? What links did
they have to the Europeans so far to the west?
Mair may not propound his own theories in public with a hammer or a
drum. But surely, he has theories, and they have been simmering for
years.
He became determined to hunt down the Tarim Basin people's history in
the early 1990s, after the frozen 4,000-year-old body of a man was
found preserved in the Alps on the Austria-Italy border. That well-
publicized discovery was just up the mountainside from the Austrian
village where his grandfather had been born.
When Mair speaks at the conference on Sunday, he said, he plans to
bring with him, for display, three felt caps.
One is from a village in southern China. Another is from his
grandfather's Austrian village. The third is from the Tarim Basin.
All three are identical, he said."
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