AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Going direct IFR at Canada          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Instrument Flight Rules View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message M Guest Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:31 am    Post subject: Going direct IFR at Canada I'm planning a trip later this year that would go from KANJ (Sault Ste Marie, MI) to KART (Watertown, NY), IFR and mostly through the Canadian airspace, in a U.S. registered single engine Grumman. Going IFR is mostly to make the two border crossing easier. I have previously overflew Canadian airspace IFR with much shorter distance between Buffalo and Detroit. The flight planning software suggested the route of SSM . WALAC . YVV . YMS . YSO . YCF . PERTH . KART. There's quite a bit of dog leg in the middle. What're the chances for Toronto center letting me go YVV direct YSO, and YCF direct KART? Would VFR be a better choice? My only concern about the VFR is for them to somehow lose my flight plan and I have to convince the U.S. controller that the flight does not stop in Canada (therefore does not need to clear custom upon landing at Watertown NY). Alternatively, I can go from KANJ to KBUF (Buffalo, NY), cross the Canadian airspace that way. The IFR route would take me right above Toronto international airport at my cruising altitude (likely 9000). Would Toronto terminal allow such IFR transit, or would they route me around it? Thanks! Back to top Andrew Sarangan Guest Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:31 am    Post subject: Re: Going direct IFR at Canada A direct routing ANJ to ART takes you well north of the Toronto airspace. So I am not sure why you are worried about transiting the airspace. Even your dogleg route you described puts you will north of the Toronto airspace. If you are GPS equipped, filing direct to Watertown may be the best choice. There is a high probability that you will get cleared as filed. On Mar 24, 4:31 pm, "M" <w...@jthome.com> wrote: Quote: I'm planning a trip later this year that would go from KANJ (Sault Ste Marie, MI) to KART (Watertown, NY), IFR and mostly through the Canadian airspace, in a U.S. registered single engine Grumman. Going IFR is mostly to make the two border crossing easier. I have previously overflew Canadian airspace IFR with much shorter distance between Buffalo and Detroit. The flight planning software suggested the route of SSM . WALAC . YVV . YMS . YSO . YCF . PERTH . KART. There's quite a bit of dog leg in the middle. What're the chances for Toronto center letting me go YVV direct YSO, and YCF direct KART? Would VFR be a better choice? My only concern about the VFR is for them to somehow lose my flight plan and I have to convince the U.S. controller that the flight does not stop in Canada (therefore does not need to clear custom upon landing at Watertown NY). Alternatively, I can go from KANJ to KBUF (Buffalo, NY), cross the Canadian airspace that way. The IFR route would take me right above Toronto international airport at my cruising altitude (likely 9000). Would Toronto terminal allow such IFR transit, or would they route me around it? Thanks! Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Instrument Flight Rules All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Aviation----------------alt.aviationAviation safety EnhancementPlanes, gliders and flying in AustraliaAviation et pilotage (Français)rec.aviationAviation (Aerobatics)Hot air, gas balloons and airshipsHang-gliding, paragliding, foot-launched flightAircraft Design & BuildingInstrument Flight RulesAviation (Classifieds)Military AircraftNaval AviationAviation (Miscellaneous Topics)Owning AirplanesAviators (General Discussions)Aviation related productsAircraft RestorationHelicopters and rotary wing aircraftsFlight SimulationSailplanesAviation (Students)Light aircraftFlying related activities in the UK Airports----------------alt.airportsEdinburgh Airport Glasgow Airport Humberside Airport Luton Airport Aberdeen Airport Glasgow Prestwick Airport  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.