AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Q: Cirrus SR20 training in Canada Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aviation (Students) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message misha Guest Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 4:40 pm    Post subject: Q: Cirrus SR20 training in Canada I will greatly appreciate any pointers to training facilities in Canada that provide training in Cirrus SR20 aircraft. Regards, Misha Back to top ijustfly Guest Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 5:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Q: Cirrus SR20 training in Canada On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 12:40:55 -0400, misha <dottawan (AT) ottawa (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: I will greatly appreciate any pointers to training facilities in Canada that provide training in Cirrus SR20 aircraft. Regards, Misha You might check with Leggat Aviation John Leggat [email]leggatav (AT) netrover (DOT) com[/email] 2833 16th Ave. Markham, Ontario L3R 0P8 Canada 905.477.7900 They're the only Authorized Service Center in Canada listed on Cirrus's web site. Or check with the factory or the Cirrus Owners & Pilots Association http://www.cirruspilots.org/ -- ....but then WDIK... ijustfly Back to top Robert Chambers Guest Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Paperwork Malfunction Who did you do your ride with? Gregory Kryspin wrote: Quote: My instructor left the 8710 at HPN and the instrument checkride was at BDR! I did the oral while the instructor flew back to HPN to retrieve the 8710. Greg PP-ASEL-IA "Jay Beckman" <jnsbeckman (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message news:FWNmf.8497$SG5.653@fed1read01... "Mark Hansen" <meh (AT) NOSPAMWinfirst (DOT) Com> wrote in message news:11pmdids7vojq8c (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... On mine, both the DPE and I were belted in, doors closed and I had just yelled "clear" when I realized I'd left the view limiting device sitting on a table back inside the FBO...$%#^%$&!!! Well, that's certainly better than realizing it after take-off ;-) By the way, it was your story about that event that stuck in my mind, and made sure I didn't forget my Jepp Shades on my check ride! so ... thanks! ;-) Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Sacramento, CA Yer welcome...! Jay B Back to top BT Guest Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Paperwork Malfunction I'm surprised the examiner started the oral. BT "Gregory Kryspin" <gkryspin (AT) optonline (DOT) net> wrote in message news:gp8%g.53$7U5.1 (AT) newsfe12 (DOT) lga... Quote: My instructor left the 8710 at HPN and the instrument checkride was at BDR! I did the oral while the instructor flew back to HPN to retrieve the 8710. Greg PP-ASEL-IA "Jay Beckman" <jnsbeckman (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message news:FWNmf.8497$SG5.653@fed1read01... "Mark Hansen" <meh (AT) NOSPAMWinfirst (DOT) Com> wrote in message news:11pmdids7vojq8c (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... On mine, both the DPE and I were belted in, doors closed and I had just yelled "clear" when I realized I'd left the view limiting device sitting on a table back inside the FBO...$%#^%$&!!! Well, that's certainly better than realizing it after take-off ;-) By the way, it was your story about that event that stuck in my mind, and made sure I didn't forget my Jepp Shades on my check ride! so ... thanks! ;-) Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Sacramento, CA Yer welcome...! Jay B Back to top Guest Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Merry Christmas thank you dudley, right back at you! Bad Rivet rv-7a first flt 2/7/06 250hrs since 2/06 40hrs formation PPSEL-IA Back to top B A R R Y Guest Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: Merry Christmas On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:14:29 -0500, "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques (AT) noware (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Bea and I would like to extend to all our many friends throughout the world our best wishes through the holiday season and through the new year. All the very best from our family to you and yours. Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Back at 'cha and to everyone else! Back to top BT Guest Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Landing Light Ditto what Jim said.. I would add that at busy airports, it is nice to "show the candle" with the landing lights if you have them, so those preparing to take off or are already in the pattern may see you easier.. BT "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote in message news:ZtLAh.18591$c%2.12201 (AT) newsfe12 (DOT) phx... Quote: Practice at tower controlled airport without the light (turn it off on a mile final, the tower likes to see it). Towered airports have runway checks for debris and animals. At uncontrolled airports, you need the lights to see the pot holes, lawn mowers, snow plows and what ever else was left on the runway. Without the landing light or with it, you don't judge height from the beam, maybe 10-20% of your night landing should be without the light, but don't do it with passengers aboard, the liability for an accident and injuries would be hard to defend in court. One reason to always carry a good set of flashlight is for taxiing at night. ldebas22 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1171488435.574017.256020 (AT) v45g2000cwv (DOT) googlegroups.com... | Last night I had to land without a landing light on a C-172. The | landing | was uneventful, but taxiing at two Class D airports was unpleasant | without | the light. The towers were closed, and it seemed like there were | landings | and departures from both ends of all three runwys at the larger of the | two | airports. | | I spoke with my well experienced CFI afterwards, and he said he always | lands | without a landing light (unless the plane has lots of landing lights) | because it is too easy to fixate on one beam on the pavement. He said | it is | easier for him to get the peripheral view of the runway lights for | better | elevation information than a landing light provides, if the light is | off. | I've done night landings without a landing light maybe six or twelve | times | before, and may well been better than when the light was on. I'm | thinking | about switching to his system. One possible negative is that it would | be | harder to spot deer or other animals on the runway. Do people usually | use the landing light when they are flying? | Back to top Mortimer Schnerd, RN Guest Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Landing Light BT wrote: Quote: Ditto what Jim said.. I would add that at busy airports, it is nice to "show the candle" with the landing lights if you have them, so those preparing to take off or are already in the pattern may see you easier.. I use them if I've got them. I never practice landings without a landing light because I can do that when the bulb blows. What are you going to do different? Trust me, you can cope with it. As a corollary to this discussion, if you are able to control the intensity of the runway lights, turn them up as you approach the field, but turn them way down as you get onto final. You'll have less difficulty judging your touchdown with dim runway light. Bright runway lights create a black hole under them. You're apt to flare high and land without your customary grace. (My advice applies to whether you have landing lights operational or not.) -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com Back to top Mark Hansen Guest Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Landings On 03/16/07 07:51, tremainejon (AT) yahoo (DOT) com wrote: Quote: My CFI said sometimes you might have to use full power on landings? I can see using some power in the beginning or to do a soft field landing but he just smiled and told me to do some research and we'd talk about it some more. Any help here? TIA Jon Perhaps he's talking about the go-around? -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA Back to top C J Campbell Guest Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Landings On 2007-03-16 07:51:58 -0700, tremainejon (AT) yahoo (DOT) com said: Quote: My CFI said sometimes you might have to use full power on landings? I can see using some power in the beginning or to do a soft field landing but he just smiled and told me to do some research and we'd talk about it some more. Any help here? TIA Jon Check out some references on bush flying. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor Back to top Tim Guest Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Landings tremainejon (AT) yahoo (DOT) com wrote: Quote: My CFI said sometimes you might have to use full power on landings? I can see using some power in the beginning or to do a soft field landing but he just smiled and told me to do some research and we'd talk about it some more. Any help here? TIA Jon When I used to fly my F14 onto aircraft carriers I would use full power... Back to top Andy Lutz Guest Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Landings Is he talking about being on the backside of the power curve for very slow flight? <tremainejon (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1174056718.064751.302770 (AT) n59g2000hsh (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: My CFI said sometimes you might have to use full power on landings? I can see using some power in the beginning or to do a soft field landing but he just smiled and told me to do some research and we'd talk about it some more. Any help here? TIA Jon Back to top Al G Guest Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Landings "Andy Lutz" <caldex (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message news:HqzKh.13373$Jl.4601 (AT) newsread3 (DOT) news.pas.earthlink.net... Quote: Is he talking about being on the backside of the power curve for very slow flight? tremainejon (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1174056718.064751.302770 (AT) n59g2000hsh (DOT) googlegroups.com... My CFI said sometimes you might have to use full power on landings? I can see using some power in the beginning or to do a soft field landing but he just smiled and told me to do some research and we'd talk about it some more. Any help here? TIA Jon Yes, He is. It is kind of a risky way to do things, but you can drag the airplane to the touchdown point with power, well behind the power curve. Cross the threshold and chop the power, and a landing will ensue directly. Most bush pilots will actually do a full stall landing, perhaps with a little power to make it to the end. My practice was with a 500' grass runway down in a river canyon. In 14 years, and over 500 landings, I never had an incident. The crews that flew before me put a C-182 into the river short, and another one into the river off the end. We flew a TU206 with a Robertson kit. (No, "TU" does not mean "Tits Up") In many cases, when you get down into the bottom of a canyon, the wind is seriously affected by the terrain. It is not unusual to get a gust, or lose a gust, when almost on the ground. It can be a lifesaver to have some extra thrust available. If you put yourself so far behind the power curve that full throttle is required to make the runway, you have no reserve and no options. This is where people run out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas about the same time. Al G Back to top Longworth Guest Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: Landings On Mar 16, 10:51 am, tremaine...@yahoo.com wrote: Quote: My CFI said sometimes you might have to use full power on landings? I I had to use full power on landing once. We were up practicing some approches but decided to return to our homebase after seeing the build up of some dark clouds. It was clear all around the airport except some small clouds at the approach end. ATIS information was normal. All of a sudden, it got gusty, windy with strong crosswind and we experienced a huge windshear. My Cardinal C177 sank like a heavy rock. I had to push the throttle all the way in to avoid being pushed to the ground! The plane came to a stop a bit shy of half the runway.! Hai Longworth Back to top C J Campbell Guest Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: Landings On 2007-03-16 09:52:56 -0700, "Al G" <agerhart2 (AT) nospam (DOT) charter.net> said: Quote: "Andy Lutz" <caldex (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message news:HqzKh.13373$Jl.4601 (AT) newsread3 (DOT) news.pas.earthlink.net... Is he talking about being on the backside of the power curve for very slow flight? tremainejon (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1174056718.064751.302770 (AT) n59g2000hsh (DOT) googlegroups.com... My CFI said sometimes you might have to use full power on landings? I can see using some power in the beginning or to do a soft field landing but he just smiled and told me to do some research and we'd talk about it some more. Any help here? TIA Jon Yes, He is. It is kind of a risky way to do things, but you can drag the airplane to the touchdown point with power, well behind the power curve. Cross the threshold and chop the power, and a landing will ensue directly. Most bush pilots will actually do a full stall landing, perhaps with a little power to make it to the end. My practice was with a 500' grass runway down in a river canyon. In 14 years, and over 500 landings, I never had an incident. The crews that flew before me put a C-182 into the river short, and another one into the river off the end. We flew a TU206 with a Robertson kit. (No, "TU" does not mean "Tits Up") In many cases, when you get down into the bottom of a canyon, the wind is seriously affected by the terrain. It is not unusual to get a gust, or lose a gust, when almost on the ground. It can be a lifesaver to have some extra thrust available. If you put yourself so far behind the power curve that full throttle is required to make the runway, you have no reserve and no options. This is where people run out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas about the same time. Al G And that is just one of the problems with doing it that way. Inexperienced pilots are just not used to the strong p factor associated with such a high angle of attack. It is real easy to set down and immediately start running off into the weeds. Most people have seen squashed tail tiedown rings on Skyhawks. This is one way that happens -- full power, nose high landings. The other reason, of course, is showboating takeoffs. That tiedown ring is attached to a plate that is itself attached to the bulkhead in the tail cone. You smash that tiedown ring and you have probably damaged that bulkhead. Yet people will fly a plane like that, never giving a thought to how much weakened the structure is. To Cessna's credit, I don't think there has ever been an inflight breakup of a C-172 that could not be attributed to a thunderstorm, at least until the SP models came out. Still, who wants to be the first, eh? The advantage of a landing at power on stall, of course, is that you can get your airspeed even lower than with a normal short field landing. It is just that if you are going to do it that way you need to know the risks involved. It is a nonstandard procedure, and you should consider it basically a type of landing to be used only when essential. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aviation (Students) All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next Page 1 of 4   Jump to: Select a forum Aviation----------------alt.aviationAviation safety EnhancementPlanes, gliders and flying in AustraliaAviation et pilotage (Français)rec.aviationAviation (Aerobatics)Hot air, gas balloons and airshipsHang-gliding, paragliding, foot-launched flightAircraft Design & BuildingInstrument Flight RulesAviation (Classifieds)Military AircraftNaval AviationAviation (Miscellaneous Topics)Owning AirplanesAviators (General Discussions)Aviation related productsAircraft RestorationHelicopters and rotary wing aircraftsFlight SimulationSailplanesAviation (Students)Light aircraftFlying related activities in the UK Airports----------------alt.airportsEdinburgh Airport Glasgow Airport Humberside Airport Luton Airport Aberdeen Airport Glasgow Prestwick Airport  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.