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chance.yohman@gmail.com
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 Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: Beginner's Choice for Ultralight Aircraft |
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What ultralight aircraft is recommended for a beginner to receive
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James Sleeman
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Beginner's Choice for Ultralight Aircraft |
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On Feb 19, 5:16 pm, "chance.yoh...@gmail.com"
<chance.yoh...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | What ultralight aircraft is recommended for a beginner to receive
instruction on during lessons?
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Something of similar performance characteristics to that which you
will fly is of course ideal, but reality is "whatever is available".
What type of flying do you want to do, what type of aircraft do you
want to fly? |
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chance.yohman@gmail.com
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Beginner's Choice for Ultralight Aircraft |
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I want to recreational flying in an Air Creation Trike Ultralight 582
SL.
On Feb 19, 3:26 am, "James Sleeman" <bitsybof...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Feb 19, 5:16 pm, "chance.yoh...@gmail.com"
chance.yoh...@gmail.com> wrote:
What ultralight aircraft is recommended for a beginner to receive
instruction on during lessons?
Something of similar performance characteristics to that which you
will fly is of course ideal, but reality is "whatever is available".
What type of flying do you want to do, what type of aircraft do you
want to fly? |
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Bruce Tibenham
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:36 am Post subject: Re: Beginner's Choice for Ultralight Aircraft |
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I learnt in a 3 axis, cyclone AX2000 (Rotax 582). Great machine for teachin
you what rudder use is all about !
<chance.yohman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I want to recreational flying in an Air Creation Trike Ultralight 582
SL.
On Feb 19, 3:26 am, "James Sleeman" <bitsybof...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 19, 5:16 pm, "chance.yoh...@gmail.com"
chance.yoh...@gmail.com> wrote:
What ultralight aircraft is recommended for a beginner to receive
instruction on during lessons?
Something of similar performance characteristics to that which you
will fly is of course ideal, but reality is "whatever is available".
What type of flying do you want to do, what type of aircraft do you
want to fly?
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Bruce Tibenham
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:37 am Post subject: Re: Beginner's Choice for Ultralight Aircraft |
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I learnt in a 3 axis, cyclone AX2000 (Rotax 582). Great machine for teachin
you what rudder use is all about !
<chance.yohman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1171974942.545562.265020 (AT) h3g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | I want to recreational flying in an Air Creation Trike Ultralight 582
SL.
On Feb 19, 3:26 am, "James Sleeman" <bitsybof...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 19, 5:16 pm, "chance.yoh...@gmail.com"
chance.yoh...@gmail.com> wrote:
What ultralight aircraft is recommended for a beginner to receive
instruction on during lessons?
Something of similar performance characteristics to that which you
will fly is of course ideal, but reality is "whatever is available".
What type of flying do you want to do, what type of aircraft do you
want to fly?
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James Sleeman
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Beginner's Choice for Ultralight Aircraft |
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On Feb 21, 1:35 am, "chance.yoh...@gmail.com"
<chance.yoh...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I want to recreational flying in an Air Creation Trike Ultralight 582
SL.
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In that case, you need to learn in a trike (weightshift), I imagine
you'll just have to take what you can find in that regard. Find your
local club and ask around. |
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chance.yohman@gmail.com
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Beginner's Choice for Ultralight Aircraft |
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For more context, I am from Maine. I have looked around and the
closest active clubs seem to be in Massachusetts. In terms of
training, there is training in roughly southern, central, and eastern
Maine. Fortunately, I can choose without travel reservations between
the three options, because it is approximately the same distance to
all from where I live.
My more specific question is, do you and others recommend training on
Aerodynamic Control Land (ACL) craft (e.g. Quicksilver Sprint) or
Weight Shift Land (WSL) craft (e.g. Trikes)? All the instructors in
Maine advertise training on ACLs, but only one advertises training on
WSLs. Before, I train and fly, I am wondering what people like and
dislike about training and flying ACLs and WSLs, so I can make an
informed decision on training and flying when the time comes.
Thanks. :)
On Feb 20, 10:08 pm, "James Sleeman" <bitsybof...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Feb 21, 1:35 am, "chance.yoh...@gmail.com"
chance.yoh...@gmail.com> wrote:
I want to recreational flying in an Air Creation Trike Ultralight 582
SL.
In that case, you need to learn in a trike (weightshift), I imagine
you'll just have to take what you can find in that regard. Find your
local club and ask around. |
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Dana M. Hague
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Beginner's Choice for Ultralight Aircraft |
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On 21 Feb 2007 04:57:19 -0800, "chance.yohman (AT) gmail (DOT) com"
<chance.yohman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | My more specific question is, do you and others recommend training on
Aerodynamic Control Land (ACL) craft (e.g. Quicksilver Sprint) or
Weight Shift Land (WSL) craft (e.g. Trikes)? All the instructors in
Maine advertise training on ACLs, but only one advertises training on
WSLs. Before, I train and fly, I am wondering what people like and
dislike about training and flying ACLs and WSLs, so I can make an
informed decision on training and flying when the time comes.
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Well, you need to train in the type aircraft you'll be flying. As for
which you should fly, there are many variables. You may want to fly
the same type aircraft as other local pilots. Similar performance
means you can go places together. ACL is a basic airiplane, with a
lot in common with its larger GA brethern. If travel to ultralight
training is an issue, you can learn a lot by some dual instruction in
"standard" light plane at your local airport. It also provides a
simple path to "move up" to larger aircraft (though having started in
Cessna and gradually moved to lighter and ligher aircraft, I'm not so
sure it's "moving up... but I digress).
Weightshift aircraft are a blast to fly (not that 3-axis planes
aren't). They're easier to disassemble for transport on a trailer.
If you're looking to fly in cold weather, a most weightshifts will be
open (and cold), while many 3-axis planes can have completely enclosed
cockpits.
-Dana
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chance.yohman@gmail.com
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Beginner's Choice for Ultralight Aircraft |
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On Feb 21, 7:58 pm, Dana M. Hague
<d(dash)m(dash)hague(at)comcast(dot)net> wrote:
| Quote: | On 21 Feb 2007 04:57:19 -0800, "chance.yoh...@gmail.com"
chance.yoh...@gmail.com> wrote:
My more specific question is, do you and others recommend training on
Aerodynamic Control Land (ACL) craft (e.g. Quicksilver Sprint) or
Weight Shift Land (WSL) craft (e.g. Trikes)? All the instructors in
Maine advertise training on ACLs, but only one advertises training on
WSLs. Before, I train and fly, I am wondering what people like and
dislike about training and flying ACLs and WSLs, so I can make an
informed decision on training and flying when the time comes.
Well, you need to train in the type aircraft you'll be flying. As for
which you should fly, there are many variables. You may want to fly
the same type aircraft as other local pilots. Similar performance
means you can go places together. ACL is a basic airiplane, with a
lot in common with its larger GA brethern. If travel to ultralight
training is an issue, you can learn a lot by some dual instruction in
"standard" light plane at your local airport. It also provides a
simple path to "move up" to larger aircraft (though having started in
Cessna and gradually moved to lighter and ligher aircraft, I'm not so
sure it's "moving up... but I digress).
Weightshift aircraft are a blast to fly (not that 3-axis planes
aren't). They're easier to disassemble for transport on a trailer.
If you're looking to fly in cold weather, a most weightshifts will be
open (and cold), while many 3-axis planes can have completely enclosed
cockpits.
-Dana
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P.D.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Beginner's Choice for Ultralight Aircraft |
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I would suggest that, if you are unsure of what you will be wanting to
fly, you should take an introductory lesson in both a 3-axis plane and
a (weightshift) trike. That experience may make clear to you what you
will enjoy more. For myself, it took several hours training in a 3-
axis plane to realize that I do NOT want to be enclosed in a cockpit
and I wanted a more intuitive connection to flying. It only took an
introductory flight in a trike to realize that it was exactly what I
was looking for. Haven't looked back since and *love* my trike and am
happy -- *within its limitations*. Your experience may well be
exactly the opposite. Or maybe you still don't know after the
introductory flights. In any case, you need to get involved in EAA
and a local club and let some folks show you first-hand the
differences in these flying machines. Oshkosh might be a good
experience for you to see a lot of different ultralights and talk to
pilots. Take some time for all this to be clear before you sink a lot
of money into training.
Peter |
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chance.yohman@gmail.com
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Beginner's Choice for Ultralight Aircraft |
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On Feb 22, 8:14 am, "P.D." <pdshet...@bethanycs.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I would suggest that, if you are unsure of what you will be wanting to
fly, you should take an introductory lesson in both a 3-axis plane and
a (weightshift) trike. That experience may make clear to you what you
will enjoy more. For myself, it took several hours training in a 3-
axis plane to realize that I do NOT want to be enclosed in a cockpit
and I wanted a more intuitive connection to flying. It only took an
introductory flight in a trike to realize that it was exactly what I
was looking for. Haven't looked back since and *love* my trike and am
happy -- *within its limitations*. Your experience may well be
exactly the opposite. Or maybe you still don't know after the
introductory flights. In any case, you need to get involved in EAA
and a local club and let some folks show you first-hand the
differences in these flying machines. Oshkosh might be a good
experience for you to see a lot of different ultralights and talk to
pilots. Take some time for all this to be clear before you sink a lot
of money into training.
Peter
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Thanks again to everyone. I have received some good information from
this thread. More info is always welcome.  |
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