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Peeta
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 Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: Had a Great Trip |
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Twenty two of us went all over the Southern U.S. flying our UL's, and
there wasn't even one encounter with the FAA. LSA is just another way
of the Government getting into your pocket and sport. There isn't one
shread of evidence that the UL community was a problem. Big brother
just wants to be in your life and face at every chance. Well, the next
time we go up, the FAA won't be able to see us, find us, or know where
we will show up next. We disperse then join up at a predefined
location, fly, have fun, then move on to the next location. It's a
great way to see the country, go flying free and for fun, and thumb
your nose at the greedy bureaucrats. The FAA just doesn't have the
people to watch ALL that airspace out there. Fly low, slow, and safe
folks............ Peeta |
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acroav8r@lycos.com
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:16 am Post subject: LSA |
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LSA is GREAT. Personally, I've had several too close encounters with
UL's which would have not happened, IMHO, if they had some training
and licensing. Almost ran over a moron on a Weedhopper with a MU-2. He
didn't even see me.Had ZERO idea of where or what he was doing.
Peeta wrote:
| Quote: | Twenty two of us went all over the Southern U.S. flying our UL's, and
there wasn't even one encounter with the FAA. LSA is just another way
of the Government getting into your pocket and sport. There isn't one
shread of evidence that the UL community was a problem. Big brother
just wants to be in your life and face at every chance. Well, the next
time we go up, the FAA won't be able to see us, find us, or know where
we will show up next. We disperse then join up at a predefined
location, fly, have fun, then move on to the next location. It's a
great way to see the country, go flying free and for fun, and thumb
your nose at the greedy bureaucrats. The FAA just doesn't have the
people to watch ALL that airspace out there. Fly low, slow, and safe
folks............ Peeta |
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Peeta
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: Re: LSA |
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The UL pilot is probably saying the same thing about you. I have been
trained by a BFI, been flying for many hundreds of hours and the only
encounters I have had is with Cowboys in their GA's. The rule is this,
"The slower aircraft has the right of way". On the overall the UL
pilots I know are always looking out for the GA, and try to stay out
of their way. I got buzzed one day by a hot-dog. I followed him to the
airport, had his "N" number, found him after looking for several days.
When I confronted him, he said "You're just a UL pilot, there is
nothing you can do about it. Besides, it was fun". He got his jaw
broken in two places, some cracked ribs and his plane hurt really
bad.. I thought that was fun. If we all are safe pilots, we all have
fun. You don't need a license for fun, unless, you are the Gov't.
On 21 Jan 2007 11:16:55 -0800, "acroav8r (AT) lycos (DOT) com"
<acroav8r (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | LSA is GREAT. Personally, I've had several too close encounters with
UL's which would have not happened, IMHO, if they had some training
and licensing. Almost ran over a moron on a Weedhopper with a MU-2. He
didn't even see me.Had ZERO idea of where or what he was doing.
Peeta wrote:
Twenty two of us went all over the Southern U.S. flying our UL's, and
there wasn't even one encounter with the FAA. LSA is just another way
of the Government getting into your pocket and sport. There isn't one
shread of evidence that the UL community was a problem. Big brother
just wants to be in your life and face at every chance. Well, the next
time we go up, the FAA won't be able to see us, find us, or know where
we will show up next. We disperse then join up at a predefined
location, fly, have fun, then move on to the next location. It's a
great way to see the country, go flying free and for fun, and thumb
your nose at the greedy bureaucrats. The FAA just doesn't have the
people to watch ALL that airspace out there. Fly low, slow, and safe
folks............ Peeta |
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rswan19
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: LSA |
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Only one small problem dipstick, UL are NOT considered aircraft so you have
NO rights. People like you are THE reason we have LSA. There's probably
not a 100 legal ULs in the entire US but the people I did meet with TRUE uls
weren't idiots like YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
"Peeta" <PedroGonzales88 (AT) AOL (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:8gc8r2d1re5mm5933503npgm8c0e8j1jr8 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
| Quote: | The UL pilot is probably saying the same thing about you. I have been
trained by a BFI, been flying for many hundreds of hours and the only
encounters I have had is with Cowboys in their GA's. The rule is this,
"The slower aircraft has the right of way". On the overall the UL
pilots I know are always looking out for the GA, and try to stay out
of their way. I got buzzed one day by a hot-dog. I followed him to the
airport, had his "N" number, found him after looking for several days.
When I confronted him, he said "You're just a UL pilot, there is
nothing you can do about it. Besides, it was fun". He got his jaw
broken in two places, some cracked ribs and his plane hurt really
bad.. I thought that was fun. If we all are safe pilots, we all have
fun. You don't need a license for fun, unless, you are the Gov't.
On 21 Jan 2007 11:16:55 -0800, "acroav8r (AT) lycos (DOT) com"
acroav8r (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote:
LSA is GREAT. Personally, I've had several too close encounters with
UL's which would have not happened, IMHO, if they had some training
and licensing. Almost ran over a moron on a Weedhopper with a MU-2. He
didn't even see me.Had ZERO idea of where or what he was doing.
Peeta wrote:
Twenty two of us went all over the Southern U.S. flying our UL's, and
there wasn't even one encounter with the FAA. LSA is just another way
of the Government getting into your pocket and sport. There isn't one
shread of evidence that the UL community was a problem. Big brother
just wants to be in your life and face at every chance. Well, the next
time we go up, the FAA won't be able to see us, find us, or know where
we will show up next. We disperse then join up at a predefined
location, fly, have fun, then move on to the next location. It's a
great way to see the country, go flying free and for fun, and thumb
your nose at the greedy bureaucrats. The FAA just doesn't have the
people to watch ALL that airspace out there. Fly low, slow, and safe
folks............ Peeta
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Joe Kultgen
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: Re: LSA |
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"rswan19" <rswan19 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in
news:B9udnUgvHuZ_dyjYnZ2dnUVZ_h6vnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com:
| Quote: | Only one small problem dipstick, UL are NOT considered aircraft so you
have NO rights. People like you are THE reason we have LSA. There's
probably not a 100 legal ULs in the entire US but the people I did
meet with TRUE uls weren't idiots like YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
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Would suggest you check reality and the regs, then tone down this "NO
rights" BS.
The simple fact that a UL isn't considered an aircraft for regulatory
purposes doesn't release you from the legal obligation to see and avoid
them like any other aircraft. A GA pilot who deliberately buzzes a UL
"just for fun" isn't only being a clod, he's breaking the regs, and most
likely committing a felony. In fact, there are so many regs that change
so often, the average GA pilot *is* a felon whether he's been busted yet
or not. If that's what it takes for you to feel "leet" you're welcome to
it.
General aviation was dying and from what I can see it's not off the
critical list yet. That my friend is the reason for LSA. The average
auto driver has no idea how tightly pilots are regulated. As soon as
they find out, they lose interest in becoming one. As the market for
planes and avgas shrinks suppliers lose economy of scale and the price of
both goes up. I know at least a half dozen people who hold a PPL that
haven't flown in over a year. Unless something happens to reverse the
trend most of them will probably turn in their ticket before they'll
spend the time and money to get current. LSA was created to let people
get into the air without having to swallow such a huge lump of regulation
up front and by doing so create a larger market for aviation related
services.
For myself, if I need transportation I'll either drive or buy a seat on
some airline. If I just want to go out and commit a little aviation I'll
let the GA folks play regulatory games while I fly an ultralight.
Later,
Joe |
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Jarhead
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:16 am Post subject: Re: LSA |
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"Joe Kultgen" <jkultgen (AT) tds (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:Xns98C176638685Ejkultgennospamplease (AT) 216 (DOT) 170.153.147...
| "rswan19" <rswan19 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in
| news:B9udnUgvHuZ_dyjYnZ2dnUVZ_h6vnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com:
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| > Only one small problem dipstick, UL are NOT considered aircraft so
you
| > have NO rights. People like you are THE reason we have LSA.
There's
| > probably not a 100 legal ULs in the entire US but the people I did
| > meet with TRUE uls weren't idiots like YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
| >
| >
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| Would suggest you check reality and the regs, then tone down this "NO
| rights" BS.
|
| The simple fact that a UL isn't considered an aircraft for regulatory
| purposes doesn't release you from the legal obligation to see and
avoid
| them like any other aircraft. A GA pilot who deliberately buzzes a UL
| "just for fun" isn't only being a clod, he's breaking the regs, and
most
| likely committing a felony. In fact, there are so many regs that
change
| so often, the average GA pilot *is* a felon whether he's been busted
yet
| or not. If that's what it takes for you to feel "leet" you're welcome
to
| it.
|
| General aviation was dying and from what I can see it's not off the
| critical list yet. That my friend is the reason for LSA. The average
| auto driver has no idea how tightly pilots are regulated. As soon as
| they find out, they lose interest in becoming one. As the market for
| planes and avgas shrinks suppliers lose economy of scale and the price
of
| both goes up. I know at least a half dozen people who hold a PPL that
| haven't flown in over a year. Unless something happens to reverse the
| trend most of them will probably turn in their ticket before they'll
| spend the time and money to get current. LSA was created to let
people
| get into the air without having to swallow such a huge lump of
regulation
| up front and by doing so create a larger market for aviation related
| services.
|
| For myself, if I need transportation I'll either drive or buy a seat
on
| some airline. If I just want to go out and commit a little aviation
I'll
| let the GA folks play regulatory games while I fly an ultralight.
|
| Later,
| Joe
Great post Joe-
GA has been in trouble for a long time. It was blowing and going in the
1970's here in the Texas, Okla. panhandle areas. The second sharp
increase in av gas in 1979 coupled with the sharp increase of the price
for a C-150/C-172 sized airplanes drove many out. Cessna had about
21,000 workers in the late 1970's and was down to 1/10th of that 10
years later. The government dropping the aviation GED program did not
help either.
There was a TV program featuring Cessna's CEO where he gave an example
of where tort reform was desperately needed for them to be able to
continue to build small aircraft. The example was of a pilot that tested
posthumously with twice the legal limit for DUI. He had crashed a C-210
during an approach a Louisiana airport killing all aboard. An unbroken
1/2 full fifth of whiskey was found in the wreckage. The widow sued
Cessna and received some ungodly amount of money from Cessna, just
because they made the airplane. One point he made was that if they were
going to be responsible for 50 years for each aircraft; why not make and
sell Citations instead of C-150 and C-172 sized airplanes.
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Paul J. Lewis
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: Re: LSA |
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HI Group
HI Group
You see the problem here. It is not UL aganst GA.
We are cousins of the same family. Ga is dying, but it is because the
goverment's interferance with the rules.
The goverment almost killed GA in the 80's with their rules, and Several
manefactur of GA machines went belly up.Now sevral manfecturing are doing
well .GOV. is changing the rules to the fasting growing part of Avaition.
UL. I have been to sevral small airports trying to get some help with a UL
only to find none. I eventurly joined a UL club. They sponcer sevral flying
in's, were learning is highlited.they give young Eagles lessons, Candy drops
& teady bear drops for the kids. All my questons are answered. They help
each other with projects. Now lets work to gother or we will put the our
both groups under.
The GOV. is trying to put in user fee's.
These Self important politicisns who do not fly
make some of the most dumbest regulations that hamper
our flying is killing us. The make rules to make them look good to ther
nonflying public. Every place you look airports have closed, and people
around the airport's that do not know the value of what airport is doing for
their community want it closed also. So if we do not get our act togother
both Ga & UL will be gone.
Paul J.
"Jarhead" <baldintexas (AT) excite (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"Joe Kultgen" <jkultgen (AT) tds (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:Xns98C176638685Ejkultgennospamplease (AT) 216 (DOT) 170.153.147...
| "rswan19" <rswan19 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in
| news:B9udnUgvHuZ_dyjYnZ2dnUVZ_h6vnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com:
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| > Only one small problem dipstick, UL are NOT considered aircraft so
you
| > have NO rights. People like you are THE reason we have LSA.
There's
| > probably not a 100 legal ULs in the entire US but the people I did
| > meet with TRUE uls weren't idiots like YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
|
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|
| Would suggest you check reality and the regs, then tone down this "NO
| rights" BS.
|
| The simple fact that a UL isn't considered an aircraft for regulatory
| purposes doesn't release you from the legal obligation to see and
avoid
| them like any other aircraft. A GA pilot who deliberately buzzes a UL
| "just for fun" isn't only being a clod, he's breaking the regs, and
most
| likely committing a felony. In fact, there are so many regs that
change
| so often, the average GA pilot *is* a felon whether he's been busted
yet
| or not. If that's what it takes for you to feel "leet" you're welcome
to
| it.
|
| General aviation was dying and from what I can see it's not off the
| critical list yet. That my friend is the reason for LSA. The average
| auto driver has no idea how tightly pilots are regulated. As soon as
| they find out, they lose interest in becoming one. As the market for
| planes and avgas shrinks suppliers lose economy of scale and the price
of
| both goes up. I know at least a half dozen people who hold a PPL that
| haven't flown in over a year. Unless something happens to reverse the
| trend most of them will probably turn in their ticket before they'll
| spend the time and money to get current. LSA was created to let
people
| get into the air without having to swallow such a huge lump of
regulation
| up front and by doing so create a larger market for aviation related
| services.
|
| For myself, if I need transportation I'll either drive or buy a seat
on
| some airline. If I just want to go out and commit a little aviation
I'll
| let the GA folks play regulatory games while I fly an ultralight.
|
| Later,
| Joe
Great post Joe-
GA has been in trouble for a long time. It was blowing and going in the
1970's here in the Texas, Okla. panhandle areas. The second sharp
increase in av gas in 1979 coupled with the sharp increase of the price
for a C-150/C-172 sized airplanes drove many out. Cessna had about
21,000 workers in the late 1970's and was down to 1/10th of that 10
years later. The government dropping the aviation GED program did not
help either.
There was a TV program featuring Cessna's CEO where he gave an example
of where tort reform was desperately needed for them to be able to
continue to build small aircraft. The example was of a pilot that tested
posthumously with twice the legal limit for DUI. He had crashed a C-210
during an approach a Louisiana airport killing all aboard. An unbroken
1/2 full fifth of whiskey was found in the wreckage. The widow sued
Cessna and received some ungodly amount of money from Cessna, just
because they made the airplane. One point he made was that if they were
going to be responsible for 50 years for each aircraft; why not make and
sell Citations instead of C-150 and C-172 sized airplanes.
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acroav8r@lycos.com
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: Re: LSA |
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I'd just write Peeta off as a pathological liar.
"got buzzed one day by a hot-dog. I followed him to the
airport, had his "N" number, found him after looking for several days.
When I confronted him, he said "You're just a UL pilot, there is
nothing you can do about it. Besides, it was fun". He got his jaw
broken in two places, some cracked ribs and his plane hurt really
bad.. "
Can you see an UL trying to keep pace with a real airplane? 10 to 1
Peeta is over 350 pounds, spends 18 hrs a day on the net and has never
flown anything in his life. Had he "hurt the plane really bad", I
suspect he would be rooming with Big Bubba in the joint about now
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