AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  ILS approaching help          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Flight Simulation View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Syucomm Guest Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:13 am    Post subject: ILS approaching help Someone know where can i find a good guide for ILS approaching in FS? (EXCEPT FOR FS guide) Thanks Syu. Back to top Guest Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:19 am    Post subject: Re: ILS approaching help On 22 Nov 2006 12:13:19 -0800, "Syucomm" <syucomm (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Someone know where can i find a good guide for ILS approaching in FS? (EXCEPT FOR FS guide) Thanks Syu. How much information do you require? See: http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aviation/instrument_flying_handbook/ Back to top Guy Guest Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: ILS approaching help Look here: http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/index.htm / Back to top Mxsmanic Guest Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:29 am    Post subject: Re: ILS approaching help Syucomm writes: Quote: Someone know where can i find a good guide for ILS approaching in FS? (EXCEPT FOR FS guide) What do you need to know? Are you flying the approach by hand, or using the autopilot to bring you in? Essentially it's a matter of tuning the correct ILS frequency for your runway, getting close enough to the right path so that your equipment can detect the ILS signals, and then using instruments to align your aircraft for landing in response to the signals. If you are using autopilot, you only need to get in roughly close to the proper path, and then the autopilot will take over. Except in large aircraft with full autoland capability, you'll have to fly the last few hundred feet yourself (and make sure you turn off the autopilot when you are ready to take over!). -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. Back to top akiley Guest Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:15 am    Post subject: Re: ILS approaching help Get a copy of the correct approach plate for the correct airport and correct runway and print it out. If it's a FS mission, you can print the plate out from the briefing area if they show one. Otherwise you can get them free on the web at: http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_tpp At the top of this chart (plate) note the ILS localizer frequency and set it into your #1 Nav spot. This is the "localizer" frequency and starts with the letter i in the identifier shown, like I-ORD for Chicago ILS 14right runway. Look at the lower part of the chart showing the profile. An ILS has a sloping glide path to the airport. At the top of the path approximately 4 to 5 miles from the airport, shows an initial altitude to intercept. (some man not have this level section) You need to get your aircraft at this altitude and be about 6 to 8 miles from the airport pointed toward the airport at the final course angle as noted on this chart. If it's an ILS 23, you'll be headed on a course of 230 degrees. That course should take you to the runway. You basically keep the two crosshairs centered on the Nav1 display. If you do it will take you right down to the touchdown zone of the airport. I would recommend also loading this approach in the GPS, then it will draw a line and you can see the point roughly 5 miles from the airport where you need to intercept both the glide slope and the localizer. The localizer will show as the vertical needle on the Nav1 and the glideslope is either a horizontal needle or and little star that moves up and down, center being the position you want to hold as you descend down the glide slope. Lastly, you could set the frequency in on the ground and take off flying the approach backward trying to keep the two needles centered. At 6 or 7 miles out, save the flight, then practice turning around and flying it back in. The map mode in FS can also show you where you are on the approach path. ... aKiley Back to top Mxsmanic Guest Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:29 am    Post subject: Re: ILS approaching help akiley writes: Quote: The map mode in FS can also show you where you are on the approach path. Also, if you click on the airport on the map, you can pick up all the ILS frequencies for the various runways. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. Back to top Angelo Campanella Guest Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:26 am    Post subject: Re: ILS approaching help Syucomm wrote: Quote: Someone know where can i find a good guide for ILS approaching in FS? (EXCEPT FOR FS guide) My experience with FS goes back to FS5. Though the graphics were limited and the controls very sloppy, it gave a good workout providing you already know ILS procedures (I've had my instrument ticket since 1966). When I got FS going about 10 years ago, it was useful in maintaining my capability to intercept and track down to touchdown OK. I have not used it much in the last 5 years because of computer changes, etc. I downloaded the FAA' IFM.. Looks like it's been prettied up and updated, but the GPS section sure leaves everything to be desired. It merely states the gospel according to the FAA, with good definition of terms, but you are really on your own as to how to interpret this to operating specific GPS's. With VOR, it was a no-brainer to switch from one manufacturer to another. But GPS is hopeless in that regard. Each mfr. hs his own method of implementing all the necessities. The only commonality is that they all use English is writing their manuals and labeling their machines (at least in the US). Back to ILS approaches.. In the FAA IFM, useful (for FS management) ILS info is available on pages 7-27 (grand plan view), 8-15 (approach plate dissected) 8-14 (arrival ant-dance) more plates; 10-16, 10-15. Read the verbiage before and after those pages. read up on joining airways and on entering holding patterns so that you keep things organized in your head. Angelo Campanella Back to top CriticalMass Guest Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: ILS approaching help akiley wrote: Quote: you can see the point roughly 5 miles from the airport where you need to intercept both the glide slope and the localizer. Normal procedure IRL is to intercept the localizer long before you intercept the GS. You should be ON the localizer and BELOW the GS when GS intercept occurs. Back to top Craig Keating Guest Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:58 am    Post subject: Re: ILS approaching help http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/ This site will teach you everything you need to know. On Nov 22, 3:13 pm, "Syucomm" <syuc...@gmail.com> wrote: Quote: Someone know where can i find a good guide for ILS approaching in FS? (EXCEPT FOR FS guide) Thanks Syu. 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