AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  FAA treatment of ATC          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aviation safety Enhancement View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Graybeard Guest Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: FAA treatment of ATC Greetings I am a lurker, NOT a pilot or ATC, but a retiree who travels by air on vacations. Here are some RUMORS you all might want to consider and get your fangs into. Please keep the "flame" low. I have heard that the ATC are working without a union contract, and the FAA has refused to negotiate with the ATC, and many of the work rules previously negotiated are no longer in place. I have heard that the FAA has imposed their own dress code, breaks are reduced, hours have increased, etc. Also, heard something about the pensions for the ATC have been frozen at today's salaries, and salaries will not be as expected for most ATC (you're all probably more knowledgeable about that than me). I heard that many new ATC who have just recently joined the group will not receive the salary expected, and some are simply quitting and leaving the occupation, increasing the shortage of ATC. Also, some experienced ATC who are eligible for retirement are taking their retirement now, do to the deteriorating work conditions. Will their loss be significant ? The Federal Administration wants to "privatize" the ATC. Does the Government have an agenda that does not place a priority on safety? The flight patterns over the US are the busiest and most complex in the world. Remember after 9/11, the Administration got rid of the private security at airports and replaced them with a government security force. That was a good idea, to reduce the possibility of a terrorist in an aircraft. Now they want to get rid of the Government ATC and replace them with a private ATC. Is that a good idea??? Yeah, I know, England did it, but they only have two or three major international airports in the whole country. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ATC WHO ARE BEING TREATED WITH DISDAIN BY THE GOVERNMENT, INCREASING FRUSTRATION AND POSSIBLY REDUCING EFFICIENCY, THEREBY INCREASING THE DANGER OF FLYING?. I HOPE NOT! Today, the ATC are hard working people, in a high stress job, dedicated to keeping us alive when we are flying. Lets hope it stays that way. An Old Traveler. Back to top SirRichardCraniumEsq. Guest Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:07 pm    Post subject: Re: FAA treatment of ATC Graybeard wrote: Quote: Greetings I am a lurker, NOT a pilot or ATC, but a retiree who travels by air on vacations. Here are some RUMORS you all might want to consider and get your fangs into. Please keep the "flame" low. I have heard that the ATC are working without a union contract, and the FAA has refused to negotiate with the ATC, and many of the work rules previously negotiated are no longer in place. I have heard that the FAA has imposed their own dress code, breaks are reduced, hours have increased, etc. Also, heard something about the pensions for the ATC have been frozen at today's salaries, and salaries will not be as expected for most ATC (you're all probably more knowledgeable about that than me). I heard that many new ATC who have just recently joined the group will not receive the salary expected, and some are simply quitting and leaving the occupation, increasing the shortage of ATC. Also, some experienced ATC who are eligible for retirement are taking their retirement now, do to the deteriorating work conditions. Will their loss be significant ? The Federal Administration wants to "privatize" the ATC. Does the Government have an agenda that does not place a priority on safety? The flight patterns over the US are the busiest and most complex in the world. Remember after 9/11, the Administration got rid of the private security at airports and replaced them with a government security force. That was a good idea, to reduce the possibility of a terrorist in an aircraft. Now they want to get rid of the Government ATC and replace them with a private ATC. Is that a good idea??? Yeah, I know, England did it, but they only have two or three major international airports in the whole country. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ATC WHO ARE BEING TREATED WITH DISDAIN BY THE GOVERNMENT, INCREASING FRUSTRATION AND POSSIBLY REDUCING EFFICIENCY, THEREBY INCREASING THE DANGER OF FLYING?. I HOPE NOT! Today, the ATC are hard working people, in a high stress job, dedicated to keeping us alive when we are flying. Lets hope it stays that way. An Old Traveler. BUT! the FAA continues to fund "Kissing the Black Ass" and Homosexual feel good gatherings. Plus,the Technicians who maintain the Radar and Communication and ILS equipment are being shit on also. The FAA has more managers per employee than any Government organization In a recent morale survey, the only people who are really happy are Black Females and Homosexuals and Bull Dikes The FAA loves those social groups but shits on everyone else Back to top Graybeard Guest Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:45 am    Post subject: Re: FAA treatment of ATC I would rather keep the discussion "on topic" with the safety issues instead of social issues. Graybeard "SirRichardCraniumEsq." <goblowmoe (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net> wrote in message news:JbUSg.15388$vi3.9238 (AT) bignews3 (DOT) bellsouth.net... Quote: Graybeard wrote: Greetings I am a lurker, NOT a pilot or ATC, but a retiree who travels by air on vacations. Here are some RUMORS you all might want to consider and get your fangs into. Please keep the "flame" low. I have heard that the ATC are working without a union contract, and the FAA has refused to negotiate with the ATC, and many of the work rules previously negotiated are no longer in place. I have heard that the FAA has imposed their own dress code, breaks are reduced, hours have increased, etc. Also, heard something about the pensions for the ATC have been frozen at today's salaries, and salaries will not be as expected for most ATC (you're all probably more knowledgeable about that than me). I heard that many new ATC who have just recently joined the group will not receive the salary expected, and some are simply quitting and leaving the occupation, increasing the shortage of ATC. Also, some experienced ATC who are eligible for retirement are taking their retirement now, do to the deteriorating work conditions. Will their loss be significant ? The Federal Administration wants to "privatize" the ATC. Does the Government have an agenda that does not place a priority on safety? The flight patterns over the US are the busiest and most complex in the world. Remember after 9/11, the Administration got rid of the private security at airports and replaced them with a government security force. That was a good idea, to reduce the possibility of a terrorist in an aircraft. Now they want to get rid of the Government ATC and replace them with a private ATC. Is that a good idea??? Yeah, I know, England did it, but they only have two or three major international airports in the whole country. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ATC WHO ARE BEING TREATED WITH DISDAIN BY THE GOVERNMENT, INCREASING FRUSTRATION AND POSSIBLY REDUCING EFFICIENCY, THEREBY INCREASING THE DANGER OF FLYING?. I HOPE NOT! Today, the ATC are hard working people, in a high stress job, dedicated to keeping us alive when we are flying. Lets hope it stays that way. An Old Traveler. BUT! the FAA continues to fund "Kissing the Black Ass" and Homosexual feel good gatherings. Plus,the Technicians who maintain the Radar and Communication and ILS equipment are being shit on also. The FAA has more managers per employee than any Government organization In a recent morale survey, the only people who are really happy are Black Females and Homosexuals and Bull Dikes The FAA loves those social groups but shits on everyone else Back to top SayhisName Guest Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:42 am    Post subject: Re: FAA treatment of ATC Graybeard wrote: Quote: I would rather keep the discussion "on topic" with the safety issues instead of social issues. Graybeard "SirRichardCraniumEsq." <goblowmoe (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net> wrote in message news:JbUSg.15388$vi3.9238 (AT) bignews3 (DOT) bellsouth.net... Graybeard wrote: Greetings I am a lurker, NOT a pilot or ATC, but a retiree who travels by air on vacations. Here are some RUMORS you all might want to consider and get your fangs into. Please keep the "flame" low. I have heard that the ATC are working without a union contract, and the FAA has refused to negotiate with the ATC, and many of the work rules previously negotiated are no longer in place. I have heard that the FAA has imposed their own dress code, breaks are reduced, hours have increased, etc. Also, heard something about the pensions for the ATC have been frozen at today's salaries, and salaries will not be as expected for most ATC (you're all probably more knowledgeable about that than me). I heard that many new ATC who have just recently joined the group will not receive the salary expected, and some are simply quitting and leaving the occupation, increasing the shortage of ATC. Also, some experienced ATC who are eligible for retirement are taking their retirement now, do to the deteriorating work conditions. Will their loss be significant ? The Federal Administration wants to "privatize" the ATC. Does the Government have an agenda that does not place a priority on safety? The flight patterns over the US are the busiest and most complex in the world. Remember after 9/11, the Administration got rid of the private security at airports and replaced them with a government security force. That was a good idea, to reduce the possibility of a terrorist in an aircraft. Now they want to get rid of the Government ATC and replace them with a private ATC. Is that a good idea??? Yeah, I know, England did it, but they only have two or three major international airports in the whole country. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ATC WHO ARE BEING TREATED WITH DISDAIN BY THE GOVERNMENT, INCREASING FRUSTRATION AND POSSIBLY REDUCING EFFICIENCY, THEREBY INCREASING THE DANGER OF FLYING?. I HOPE NOT! Today, the ATC are hard working people, in a high stress job, dedicated to keeping us alive when we are flying. Lets hope it stays that way. An Old Traveler. BUT! the FAA continues to fund "Kissing the Black Ass" and Homosexual feel good gatherings. Plus,the Technicians who maintain the Radar and Communication and ILS equipment are being shit on also. The FAA has more managers per employee than any Government organization In a recent morale survey, the only people who are really happy are Black Females and Homosexuals and Bull Dikes The FAA loves those social groups but shits on everyone else OK. Let's talk ATC "safety". If you cut Air Traffic controllers staffing and benefits at the same time you fund social/political feel good programs within the Government does that not join the two issues at the hip?? In other words, why not spend that money on more controllers? If the FAA makes a "Safety" decision to cut controller staffing while funding non-aviation related boondoggles within the FAA, does that not in-directly impact safety?? In the end it all comes down to money. Where are you going to spend your FAA money? Social "Feel Good" Programs or Air Safety? Check out this link http://www.nbcfae.org/2006AnnualTraining.htm Notice it said RESORT SPA That "Training Conference" for Black FAA employees was paid for by your TAX money at the same time the FAA is cutting controllers and their benefits The Political FAA and the AIR SAFETY FAA are both interrelated You can't avoid it Using not politically correct terminology do you want to see more Air Traffic controllers or do you want to see the FAA "Kiss the Black Ass"?? Which one has a bigger impact on safety? My vote is less Air Traffic controllers will impact safety more than a few pissed off Black secretaries who could not get a free trip to fuck off on my tax dime. Back to top John Mazor Guest Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:56 am    Post subject: Re: FAA treatment of ATC "Graybeard" <graybeard32 (AT) cfl (DOT) rr.com> wrote in message news:7DVSg.19895$Rr.13462 (AT) tornado (DOT) tampabay.rr.com... Quote: I would rather keep the discussion "on topic" with the safety issues instead of social issues. Graybeard Our sock puppet's agenda here has nothing to do with safety. Nothing, nada, zip, zilch, zero. He's just using this as a forum for his racist crap. Every post is an opportunity for him to repeat it, using a bogus argument to try to connect the racist crap to some real problems at FAA. Don't be suckered into thinking that he might actually be able to engage in meaningful dialog on safety and ATC. He hasn't added one bit of new information to his original cut-and-pasted thesis, which is the limit and sum total of his knowledge on the subject. These clowns do the same thing in other newsgroups - take some real event or problem, read up on it just enough that they can add a racist spin to it, and plaster it all over the Internet. They do it here every time there's a plane crash in Africa. They point to the higher accident rates in many countries there and want you to think that it proves something about racial inferiority. I went a few rounds with him for laughs - these morons make excellent chew toys if you're in the mood for smacking around some jerk who not only deserves, but is begging, to be flamed to a crisp - but every response just gives him another opportunity to repost his racist crap. -- John Mazor "The search for wisdom is asymptotic." "Except for Internet newsgroups, where it is divergent..." -- R J Carpenter Back to top John Smith Guest Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:50 pm    Post subject: Re: FAA treatment of ATC Another racist coward, froths dribble protected by the internet. SirRichardCraniumEsq. wrote: Quote: BUT! the FAA continues to fund "Kissing the Black Ass" and Homosexual feel good gatherings. Plus,the Technicians who maintain the Radar and Communication and ILS equipment are being shit on also. 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