AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  About the recent terror *hoax* !          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> alt.aviation View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Eeyore Guest Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:31 pm    Post subject: About the recent terror *hoax* ! Now we have news of the recent, supposedly real-world, terrorist plot to destroy commercial airplanes by smuggling onboard the benign precursors to a deadly explosive, and mixing up a batch of liquid death in the lavatories. So, The Register has got to ask, were these guys for real, or have they, and the counterterrorist officials supposedly protecting us, been watching too many action movies? We're told that the suspects were planning to use TATP, or triacetone triperoxide, a high explosive that supposedly can be made from common household chemicals unlikely to be caught by airport screeners. A little hair dye, drain cleaner, and paint thinner - all easily concealed in drinks bottles - and the forces of evil have effectively smuggled a deadly bomb onboard your plane. Or at least that's what we're hearing, and loudly, through the mainstream media and its legions of so-called "terrorism experts."............................... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/ And then read this............................................... Should we be worried about the threat from organised terrorism or is it simply a phantom menace being used to stop society from falling apart? In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world. Now they promise to protect us from nightmares. The most frightening of these is the threat of an international terror network. But just as the dreams were not true, neither are these nightmares http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm Graham Back to top Dirk Bruere at NeoPax Guest Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: Re: About the recent terror *hoax* ! Eeyore wrote: Quote: Now we have news of the recent, supposedly real-world, terrorist plot to destroy commercial airplanes by smuggling onboard the benign precursors to a deadly explosive, and mixing up a batch of liquid death in the lavatories. So, The Register has got to ask, were these guys for real, or have they, and the counterterrorist officials supposedly protecting us, been watching too many action movies? We're told that the suspects were planning to use TATP, or triacetone triperoxide, a high explosive that supposedly can be made from common household chemicals unlikely to be caught by airport screeners. A little hair dye, drain cleaner, and paint thinner - all easily concealed in drinks bottles - and the forces of evil have effectively smuggled a deadly bomb onboard your plane. Or at least that's what we're hearing, and loudly, through the mainstream media and its legions of so-called "terrorism experts."............................... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/ And then read this............................................... Should we be worried about the threat from organised terrorism or is it simply a phantom menace being used to stop society from falling apart? In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world. Now they promise to protect us from nightmares. The most frightening of these is the threat of an international terror network. But just as the dreams were not true, neither are these nightmares http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm So, posting to my home NG, ARA Graham? FFF Dirk Back to top John Mazor Guest Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: About the recent terror *hoax* ! "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations (AT) REMOVETHIS (DOT) hotmail.com> wrote in message news:44E72EC3.26EA81D6 (AT) REMOVETHIS (DOT) hotmail.com... Quote: Now we have news of the recent, supposedly real-world, terrorist plot to destroy commercial airplanes by smuggling onboard the benign precursors to a deadly explosive, and mixing up a batch of liquid death in the lavatories. So, The Register has got to ask, were these guys for real, or have they, and the counterterrorist officials supposedly protecting us, been watching too many action movies? We're told that the suspects were planning to use TATP, or triacetone triperoxide, a high explosive that supposedly can be made from common household chemicals unlikely to be caught by airport screeners. A little hair dye, drain cleaner, and paint thinner - all easily concealed in drinks bottles - and the forces of evil have effectively smuggled a deadly bomb onboard your plane. Or at least that's what we're hearing, and loudly, through the mainstream media and its legions of so-called "terrorism experts."............................... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/ And then read this............................................... Should we be worried about the threat from organised terrorism or is it simply a phantom menace being used to stop society from falling apart? In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world. Now they promise to protect us from nightmares. The most frightening of these is the threat of an international terror network. But just as the dreams were not true, neither are these nightmares http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm Graham While the article on TATP is interesting, it totally misses (or omits) some crucial points. In assessing the threat, the first question is not whether the terrorists can succeed as planned, it's whether or not they will endanger even one passenger on a flight. Otherwise, you would have to conclude that the miserable failure of the Shoe Bomber proves that we don't need to be on the lookout for tennis shoes with the special "Jihad hot foot" mod. And why worry about someone bringing a hand grenade on board - hey, we've had plenty of accidents such as Aloha, and even bombs going off, without bringing the plane down. The second question is, did they intend harm? Unless your government is totally fabricating this story, the answer is yes. So there still are bad guys out there who want to bring down airliners, even if their grasp of chemistry may be somewhat challenged (although you cannot dismiss at this point the possibility that they've solved this problem to the extent that they might actually pull it off). The third question goes to success as measured by the terrorists. Sure, the goal may be to crash the airplane, but the continuing damage from 9/11, over and above the deaths, was the economic harm and the PR value for the terrorists. You don't need to kill an airliner to kill the industry, just scare the bejeesus out of the public. And they know that. I'll be kind and assume that the reporter knows all that and was just focusing on his one new angle, that brewing up binary explosives in a lav isn't as easy as some may think. As to the editorial suggesting that the whole reaction to terrorism is just a propaganda campaign concocted by evil politicians, well, there's no doubt that opportunistic (and yeah, even evil) pols may be riding the wave, but they didn't create it. Just because the pols are overstating the case for their own purposes doesn't mean that terrorists aren't out to get us. How else do you explain London and Madrid and the 9/11 attacks, not to mention all the others that barely registered on our Western mindsets? The West's policies and actions can be soundly criticized on their own merits, we don't need no steenkin' conspiracy theories to whack Bush et al. upside the head when they do wrong. Back to top Eeyore Guest Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:47 am    Post subject: Re: About the recent terror *hoax* ! Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Quote: Eeyore wrote: Now we have news of the recent, supposedly real-world, terrorist plot to destroy commercial airplanes by smuggling onboard the benign precursors to a deadly explosive, and mixing up a batch of liquid death in the lavatories. So, The Register has got to ask, were these guys for real, or have they, and the counterterrorist officials supposedly protecting us, been watching too many action movies? We're told that the suspects were planning to use TATP, or triacetone triperoxide, a high explosive that supposedly can be made from common household chemicals unlikely to be caught by airport screeners. A little hair dye, drain cleaner, and paint thinner - all easily concealed in drinks bottles - and the forces of evil have effectively smuggled a deadly bomb onboard your plane. Or at least that's what we're hearing, and loudly, through the mainstream media and its legions of so-called "terrorism experts."............................... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/ And then read this............................................... Should we be worried about the threat from organised terrorism or is it simply a phantom menace being used to stop society from falling apart? In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world. Now they promise to protect us from nightmares. The most frightening of these is the threat of an international terror network. But just as the dreams were not true, neither are these nightmares http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm So, posting to my home NG, ARA Graham? It's Bertie's too isn't it ? Graham Back to top Dirk Bruere at NeoPax Guest Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:24 am    Post subject: Re: About the recent terror *hoax* ! Eeyore wrote: Quote: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Eeyore wrote: Now we have news of the recent, supposedly real-world, terrorist plot to destroy commercial airplanes by smuggling onboard the benign precursors to a deadly explosive, and mixing up a batch of liquid death in the lavatories. So, The Register has got to ask, were these guys for real, or have they, and the counterterrorist officials supposedly protecting us, been watching too many action movies? We're told that the suspects were planning to use TATP, or triacetone triperoxide, a high explosive that supposedly can be made from common household chemicals unlikely to be caught by airport screeners. A little hair dye, drain cleaner, and paint thinner - all easily concealed in drinks bottles - and the forces of evil have effectively smuggled a deadly bomb onboard your plane. Or at least that's what we're hearing, and loudly, through the mainstream media and its legions of so-called "terrorism experts."............................... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/ And then read this............................................... Should we be worried about the threat from organised terrorism or is it simply a phantom menace being used to stop society from falling apart? In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world. Now they promise to protect us from nightmares. The most frightening of these is the threat of an international terror network. But just as the dreams were not true, neither are these nightmares http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm So, posting to my home NG, ARA Graham? It's Bertie's too isn't it ? Only the usual trolls, which is one reason we created soc.religion.asatru in the Big 8. Bertie served his purpose. FFF Dirk Back to top Phoebee Caulfield Guest Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: About the recent terror *hoax* ! In article <Xns982E1C49BEDFFnunyfjukkinbidness (AT) 207 (DOT) 14.116.130>, Bertie the Bunyip says... Quote: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in news:4l49sjF7ar3U2 (AT) individual (DOT) net: Eeyore wrote: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Eeyore wrote: Now we have news of the recent, supposedly real-world, terrorist plot to destroy commercial airplanes by smuggling onboard the benign precursors to a deadly explosive, and mixing up a batch of liquid death in the lavatories. So, The Register has got to ask, were these guys for real, or have they, and the counterterrorist officials supposedly protecting us, been watching too many action movies? We're told that the suspects were planning to use TATP, or triacetone triperoxide, a high explosive that supposedly can be made from common household chemicals unlikely to be caught by airport screeners. A little hair dye, drain cleaner, and paint thinner - all easily concealed in drinks bottles - and the forces of evil have effectively smuggled a deadly bomb onboard your plane. Or at least that's what we're hearing, and loudly, through the mainstream media and its legions of so-called "terrorism experts."............................... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/ And then read this............................................... Should we be worried about the threat from organised terrorism or is it simply a phantom menace being used to stop society from falling apart? In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world. Now they promise to protect us from nightmares. The most frightening of these is the threat of an international terror network. But just as the dreams were not true, neither are these nightmares http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm So, posting to my home NG, ARA Graham? It's Bertie's too isn't it ? Only the usual trolls, which is one reason we created soc.religion.asatru in the Big 8. Bertie served his purpose. And will again, djirkie BTW, nice job creating the froup. I see you did your standaard sterling work in propogation. Teh Mighty Assatru Warriors (tm) can't handle any technology more advanced than a stone axe. And only then with adult supervision. Quote: see you soon, nazi boi.. Bertie -- "Meanwhile, somewhere in the twenty-first century, a young girl named Phoebee Caulfield plops herself down on the sofa, pops open a soda, and watches ... 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