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 Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: BAA objects to plans to link airport with rail network |
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| Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: BAA objects to plans to link airport with rail network |
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B wrote:
| Quote: | Jim Mason wrote:
In article <MPG.1ed8b3ceba40386b989854 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net>,
jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk says...
BAA objects to plans to link airport with rail network
ALASTAIR DALTON, TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT
Scotsman Online 20/05/06
EDINBURGH airport has objected to plans to connect it to the rail network,
fearing a proposed tunnel under the runway could cause subsidence and
increase the costs of a second runway.
As I informed over the past few weeks - there are serious engineering
problems that have come to light re the tunneling under the airport. BAA
are now in possession of that information. EARL will not happen in the
proposed form. Plan B will now be presented for consideration. It will at
least have a sensible and perhaps even viable conclusion.
Adios EARL, and despite what the troll is saying, EDI does indeed have
a '2nd runway,' 767 capable also apparently.
B
The latest excuse - loss of car parking income...I mean really.... |
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Jim Mason
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| Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: BAA objects to plans to link airport with rail network |
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In article <rjzbg.174825$tc.70642 (AT) fe2 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
boing (AT) boing (DOT) com says...
| Quote: | Jim Mason wrote:
EDINBURGH airport has objected to plans to connect it to the rail network,
fearing a proposed tunnel under the runway could cause subsidence and
increase the costs of a second runway.
As I informed over the past few weeks - there are serious engineering
problems that have come to light re the tunneling under the airport. BAA
are now in possession of that information. EARL will not happen in the
proposed form. Plan B will now be presented for consideration. It will at
least have a sensible and perhaps even viable conclusion.
nice to see the grown ups have gotten involved, and the the ever
increasing cost is being queried, if not addressed.
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Indeed. BAA have said all along they will support a heavy rail-link only if
it is financially viable. Cleary it wasn't before and now with the new
information they have re possible subsidence and the chaos a tunnel
construction would cause - they are quite right to object. After all if
they don't want it - it won't happen.
There have already raised concerns about flooding issues on the site of any
possible second runway. Clearly building a tunnel under where there is
already a serious flooding issue would be lunacy on both a safety and
financial basis.
"6.30 BAA Scottish Airports has welcomed this decision and has committed
its financial support for this next phase of work. We have also indicated
our willingness to construct and operate the railway station at the airport
provided it is commercially viable to do so."
BAA
`Commercially viable` is the important phrase here.
"6.45 Both the River Almond and the Gogar Burn are prone to flooding and
BAA Scottish Airports has already taken significant steps to understand and
address the issue of the flooding of Gogar Burn. The loss of around 100ha
of the River Almond flood plain will significantly affect the location and
extent of flooding in the vicinity of the airport and is likely to require
the provision of alternative compensatory flood storage elsewhere. We
believe that this issue is worthy of an early and detailed study embracing
both upstream and downstream activities if the full impact is to be
understood and addressed."
BAA
And that was before a tunnel was proposed under the area.
Jim
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Damian
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Stansted welcomes new airline and three new routes |
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GLAGAZ wrote:
| Quote: | So GLA wins this round, but come Winter the roles will be reversed
again probably. But as many others have stated, who really cares?
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EDI locals get a better night's sleep, then?  |
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Damian
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Stansted welcomes new airline and three new routes |
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Mike wrote:
| Quote: | Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
Jim
I had my tongue firmly in my cheek earlier. (Not my buttocks, my face).
However there are a large number of tourists in Edinburgh. How do they
get there if they don't use locos or PIK?
KLM, AF, LH, ? I don't know. However it would be interesting to find
out.
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I wouldn't mind betting that a lot of them don't arrive by air at all -
road, rail and sea are also options for visiting tourists.
There seems to be a lot of speculation about where foreign tourists go
and where they stay after arriving into PIK, but none of it based on
fact. I would like to see some valid research into this. |
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Damian
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Stansted welcomes new airline and three new routes |
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Jim Mason wrote:
| Quote: | Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
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What is Edinburgh's current share? Nobody really knows.
I have to say I disagree with regard to the PIK-Edinburgh rail journey
being "restrictive". Indeed the free rail travel option is arguably
quite an incentive, and anecdotally I know of visitors to Edinburgh who
have used Prestwick without considering it to be a nuisance option.
Equally, I know of Edinburghers who wouldn't hesitate to use Prestwick
to access cheap flights (and who regularly choose to access it by
rail).
We also shouldn't forget that the Scottish tourist market is more than
just Edinburgh and Glasgow - foreign visitors use Prestwick to access
points throughout Scotland. Prestwick has always advertised itself as
"Scotland's airport" (cheekily, in some people's view) but I admire
them for making it clear that they consider the whole of Scotland as
their market. PIK management don't appear interested in being an
airport which only exists to serve Glasgow and the west, and good on
them for it. |
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Jim Mason
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Stansted welcomes new airline and three new routes |
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In article <1150762555.228206.50110 (AT) f6g2000cwb (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
travel.logue (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com says...
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Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
Jim
I had my tongue firmly in my cheek earlier. (Not my buttocks, my face).
However there are a large number of tourists in Edinburgh. How do they
get there if they don't use locos or PIK?
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GNER, Continental, BA, Virgin, BMI, Delta and of course the lo-co's?
| Quote: | KLM, AF, LH, ? I don't know. However it would be interesting to find
out.
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The information is out there if you know where to look as was demonstrated
when PIK quite kindly provided details of the origin of their outbound
passengers in Scotland. Whether or not you or I or anyone else could be
arsed finding out is another matter.
Hope the waves don't bite too much!
Jim
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Jim Mason
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Stansted welcomes new airline and three new routes |
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In article <1150788240.159948.25030 (AT) i40g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
damianlearyo (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk says...
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Jim Mason wrote:
Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
What is Edinburgh's current share? Nobody really knows.
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Yes they do. The last documented information was as follows
Rail passengers travelling to and from GPIA:-
Glasgow City Centre - 66%
Edinburgh 11%
Renfrewshire 6%
Stirling 2%
Aberdeen 2%
Rest of UK 18%
Source Ayrshire Joint Structure Plan.
Jim
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Free travel for children on Heathrow Connect |
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Damian wrote:
| Quote: | B wrote:
Damian wrote:
Joe Curry wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:18:32 +0100, Jim Mason
jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
Free travel for children on Heathrow Connect
Two children, up to the age of 15, travelling with a full fare
paying adult can travel from Paddington station to Heathrow airport free.
That would be about £60 return? Given the distance involved one would
imagine it's still extortionate for the adults alone?
It's not cheap, that's for sure. Do as I do and take the Piccadilly
Line :-)
Damian, forgive me if I'm wrong here, but it looks like the obnoxious
rude one has fooled you into replying to one of his brainless thread
breaking questions, please restore the FU's if you *must* reply to him.
Sorry, but I don't even understand what you're asking me to do. What's
"FU" - besides the obvious? 
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Jim Mason x-posted it to the following relevant ng's -
alt.airports.uk.edinburgh, alt.airports.uk.glasgow,
free.uk.airports.aberdeen, free.uk.airports.prestwick -
As usual the obnoxious rude one posed a stupid brainless question in an
attempt to break the thread, and because you didn't restore the Follow
Up's he succeeded, up 'til now that is ;-)
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Do you have a comment on the substance - i.e. Heathrow Express?
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Aye, it's too expensive, 2 free weans or no 2 free weans ;-)
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Damian
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Free travel for children on Heathrow Connect |
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B wrote:
| Quote: | Damian wrote:
B wrote:
Damian wrote:
Joe Curry wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:18:32 +0100, Jim Mason
jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
Free travel for children on Heathrow Connect
Two children, up to the age of 15, travelling with a full fare
paying adult can travel from Paddington station to Heathrow airport free.
That would be about £60 return? Given the distance involved one would
imagine it's still extortionate for the adults alone?
It's not cheap, that's for sure. Do as I do and take the Piccadilly
Line :-)
Damian, forgive me if I'm wrong here, but it looks like the obnoxious
rude one has fooled you into replying to one of his brainless thread
breaking questions, please restore the FU's if you *must* reply to him.
Sorry, but I don't even understand what you're asking me to do. What's
"FU" - besides the obvious? ;-)
Jim Mason x-posted it to the following relevant ng's -
alt.airports.uk.edinburgh, alt.airports.uk.glasgow,
free.uk.airports.aberdeen, free.uk.airports.prestwick -
As usual the obnoxious rude one posed a stupid brainless question in an
attempt to break the thread, and because you didn't restore the Follow
Up's he succeeded, up 'til now that is
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Eh? Oh bugger that, I can't be bothered with cross-posting politics. To
be honest, I'm not seeing any consistency from anyone on the issue.
Ryanair stuff about flights from Glasgow Prestwick is apparently OK for
the EDI newsgroup and the PIK newsgroup,but doesn't get a look in in
the GLA newsgroup - presumably because Ryanair don't fly from GLA??
Then we get something about Emirates posted to aaue, even though
Emirates do not fly from Edinburgh etc etc etc. - all very weird and
complicated. I prefer not to get involved.
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Do you have a comment on the substance - i.e. Heathrow Express?
Aye, it's too expensive, 2 free weans or no 2 free weans
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Agreed. |
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B
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Free travel for children on Heathrow Connect |
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Damian wrote:
| Quote: | B wrote:
Damian wrote:
B wrote:
Damian wrote:
Joe Curry wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:18:32 +0100, Jim Mason
jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
Free travel for children on Heathrow Connect
Two children, up to the age of 15, travelling with a full fare
paying adult can travel from Paddington station to Heathrow airport free.
That would be about £60 return? Given the distance involved one would
imagine it's still extortionate for the adults alone?
It's not cheap, that's for sure. Do as I do and take the Piccadilly
Line :-)
Damian, forgive me if I'm wrong here, but it looks like the obnoxious
rude one has fooled you into replying to one of his brainless thread
breaking questions, please restore the FU's if you *must* reply to him.
Sorry, but I don't even understand what you're asking me to do. What's
"FU" - besides the obvious? ;-)
Jim Mason x-posted it to the following relevant ng's -
alt.airports.uk.edinburgh, alt.airports.uk.glasgow,
free.uk.airports.aberdeen, free.uk.airports.prestwick -
As usual the obnoxious rude one posed a stupid brainless question in an
attempt to break the thread, and because you didn't restore the Follow
Up's he succeeded, up 'til now that is ;-)
Eh? Oh bugger that, I can't be bothered with cross-posting politics. To
be honest, I'm not seeing any consistency from anyone on the issue.
Ryanair stuff about flights from Glasgow Prestwick is apparently OK for
the EDI newsgroup and the PIK newsgroup,but doesn't get a look in in
the GLA newsgroup - presumably because Ryanair don't fly from GLA??
Then we get something about Emirates posted to aaue, even though
Emirates do not fly from Edinburgh etc etc etc. - all very weird and
complicated. I prefer not to get involved.
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That's fine, but please be aware he only poses these brainless
questions to thread break, no one can be that stupid, surely..
B |
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Damian
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Free travel for children on Heathrow Connect |
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B wrote:
| Quote: | Damian wrote:
B wrote:
Damian wrote:
B wrote:
Damian wrote:
Joe Curry wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:18:32 +0100, Jim Mason
jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
Free travel for children on Heathrow Connect
Two children, up to the age of 15, travelling with a full fare
paying adult can travel from Paddington station to Heathrow airport free.
That would be about £60 return? Given the distance involved one would
imagine it's still extortionate for the adults alone?
It's not cheap, that's for sure. Do as I do and take the Piccadilly
Line :-)
Damian, forgive me if I'm wrong here, but it looks like the obnoxious
rude one has fooled you into replying to one of his brainless thread
breaking questions, please restore the FU's if you *must* reply to him.
Sorry, but I don't even understand what you're asking me to do. What's
"FU" - besides the obvious? ;-)
Jim Mason x-posted it to the following relevant ng's -
alt.airports.uk.edinburgh, alt.airports.uk.glasgow,
free.uk.airports.aberdeen, free.uk.airports.prestwick -
As usual the obnoxious rude one posed a stupid brainless question in an
attempt to break the thread, and because you didn't restore the Follow
Up's he succeeded, up 'til now that is ;-)
Eh? Oh bugger that, I can't be bothered with cross-posting politics. To
be honest, I'm not seeing any consistency from anyone on the issue.
Ryanair stuff about flights from Glasgow Prestwick is apparently OK for
the EDI newsgroup and the PIK newsgroup,but doesn't get a look in in
the GLA newsgroup - presumably because Ryanair don't fly from GLA??
Then we get something about Emirates posted to aaue, even though
Emirates do not fly from Edinburgh etc etc etc. - all very weird and
complicated. I prefer not to get involved.
That's fine, but please be aware he only poses these brainless
questions to thread break, no one can be that stupid, surely..
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We were discussing fares on the Heathrow Express. What's brainless
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The EDI Guy
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Free travel for children on Heathrow Connect |
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Damian wrote:
| Quote: | We were discussing fares on the Heathrow Express. What's brainless
about that?
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that it is the Connect service, not the Express |
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Damian
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Free travel for children on Heathrow Connect |
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The EDI Guy wrote:
| Quote: | Damian wrote:
We were discussing fares on the Heathrow Express. What's brainless
about that?
that it is the Connect service, not the Express
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Right enough, the one that stops at Southall and various intermediate
points. Both run by BAA, though? |
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The EDI Guy
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Free travel for children on Heathrow Connect |
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Damian wrote:
| Quote: | The EDI Guy wrote:
Damian wrote:
We were discussing fares on the Heathrow Express. What's brainless
about that?
that it is the Connect service, not the Express :)
Right enough, the one that stops at Southall and various intermediate
points. Both run by BAA, though?
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yes, and kind of. It's a JV between FGW and BAA |
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