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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: 'Retire Heathrow' |
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"Jim Mason" <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Personally I have a mind of my own and am not influenced by you,
Blimpie, Clive or anyone else mentioned in this thread. The fact that
several people have similar points of view re your inconsistency says
more about what might be factual than any suggestion of organised
criticism.
I'm not very voiciferous about your "selectivity". In fact I've defended
your right to post as you see fit many times.
Are you replying to Adrian here Clive? If so - it was myself that typed
the
text you are replying to.
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Sorry Jim. I was indeed talking to Ade's but seem to have snipped the wrong
bit in all the excitement :-)
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Jim Mason
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Arabian flights open economy |
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In article <hMudnRe_j_BAmOPZRVny3w (AT) bt (DOT) com>, drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com says...
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"David Kerr" <david.kerr (AT) lineone (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:1149099690.290939.298080 (AT) y43g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com...
Joe Curry wrote:
The message <4e5thcF1dedtuU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net
from "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> contains these words:
Full story on Emirates' delight with Scotland here:
Dear god, this man is so hypocritical..keep it EDI or post this to
alt.travel.scotland.air..
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So the idea that a thread about an airline that is extremely happy with
the success (and not failure) of a GLA-DXB service and intends going 2
daily Scotland-DXB with EDI and GLA in the running for the extra
service is now ruled "offside" in a newsgroup with no guidelines or
administrator is laughable. Keep taking whatever medication you're on,
and perhaps ask your pharmacist to see if they've got any "paranoia"
tablets.
David
When you read the article it becomes clear that freight is a big factor in
the service. As I said before I believe this will be the factor which tips
it towards expansion at GLA rather than EDI which was Emirates original
choice.
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Indeed and freight was the reason the 777 was introduced. EDI is unlikely
to feature in any EK routes simply because of this from BAA:-
"6.24 The length of the main runway at Edinburgh is sufficient for the
airport’s anticipated requirements in the medium term. We do, however,
support the RCD’s proposition that there could be demand for additional
long haul routes from Edinburgh to destinations such as Chicago, Los
Angeles or the Middle East, served principally by wide-bodied aircraft such
as the B777 and the A340. The current length of the main runway would
impose severe payload restrictions on these routes, possibly to the point
where they would become uneconomic."
The word on the street is they will go double daily from their aiport of
choice (and massive success) - GLA.
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Jim Mason
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Direct action means bright future for Scottish airports |
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In article <1149108746.422132.241810 (AT) g10g2000cwb (DOT) googlegroups.com>, kwa0711
@aol.com says...
Zippy
He will get offensive about anything he deems to be anti-Edinburgh comment
which is remarkable considering he chooses not to stay there. I recall one
famous moment when he went ballistic because I had the audacity to question
the journalistic merits of the Sunday Post and suggested I was only doing
so because it was printed in the east of Scotland. When I correctly pointed
out that it was in fact printed in Glasgow he went remarkably silent and
according to Google he has never quoted from it since!
The hard facts are that the Scotsman's standards have deterioated
dramatically over the last few years and I see no sign of improving under
the new ownership of the cost-cutting Johnston Group. It's tabloid format
is reflecting on the content. And I speak as someone who buys it every day
and also pays a hefty price for it's `premium` online services.
The Herald is way ahead in every department these days and is worthy of the
title of Scotland's number one qaulity newspaper - though it has little
competition.
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Jon Simpson
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: 'Retire Heathrow' |
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"Mister Niceguy" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
news:4e3vtrF1cajjbU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net:
"Mister Niceguy" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:Xns97D3EAC873F51niceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119...
"Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
news:4e3rceF1cvi68U1 (AT) individual (DOT) net:
"Mister Niceguy" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in message
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Joe Curry <fox1 (AT) NOSPAMedinburghairport (DOT) org.uk> wrote in
news:fj3o72pttg7nu8jn3fug9pht2umsi08a8f (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:
On Tue, 30 May 2006 08:53:57 GMT, Joe Curry
fox1 (AT) NOSPAMedinburghairport (DOT) org.uk> wrote:
THE UK's biggest airport should be "retired" and moved to a Thames
Estuary location, a planning group report has said. It wants
Heathrow to be replaced with a new national hub concentrating on
long-haul flights.
These guys never heard of the failed Maplin Sands plans?
Or the plans for the Isle of Sheppey a few years ago.
I'm wondering what this has to do with EDI.
I'm enjoying a sensible discussion.
Since it's top of the agenda, LHR is having a massive development as
we
speak and won't be going anywhere. Here are the details of the £4.2bn
construction of Terminal 5.
www.heathrowairport.com/portal/controller/dispatcher.jsp?Ch=XYZT5
Clive
That's more like it.
I don't think there's any appetite to build large new airports just now
anywhere in the UK. Finningley is about as far as it goes. Unless we
see a substantial increase in long haul there will be no more runways
anywhere around London.
Around half the passengers flying from EDI are London-bound.
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Was gliding last week at Sutton Bank in Yorkshire. One of the industrial
estates on the outskirts of Thirsk is home to a lot of he fabrication of
T5. Looking from the air (yes they do some sort of partial assembly) It
looks fantastic.I'm told its twice the size of the original airport.
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Doug Maclean
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Arabian flights open economy |
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"David Kerr" <david.kerr (AT) lineone (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:1149099690.290939.298080 (AT) y43g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com...
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Joe Curry wrote:
The message <4e5thcF1dedtuU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net
from "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> contains these words:
Full story on Emirates' delight with Scotland here:
Dear god, this man is so hypocritical..keep it EDI or post this to
alt.travel.scotland.air..
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So the idea that a thread about an airline that is extremely happy with
the success (and not failure) of a GLA-DXB service and intends going 2
daily Scotland-DXB with EDI and GLA in the running for the extra
service is now ruled "offside" in a newsgroup with no guidelines or
administrator is laughable. Keep taking whatever medication you're on,
and perhaps ask your pharmacist to see if they've got any "paranoia"
tablets.
David
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When you read the article it becomes clear that freight is a big factor in
the service. As I said before I believe this will be the factor which tips
it towards expansion at GLA rather than EDI which was Emirates original
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Jim Mason
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: 'Retire Heathrow' |
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In article <Xns97D4DE65717C5niceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>, me (AT) privacy (DOT) net
says...
| Quote: | Jim Mason <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1ee810e47e064df9989937 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net:
In article <Xns97D4DD265227Fniceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>,
me (AT) privacy (DOT) net says...
Jim Mason <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1ee80ec2e2e30364989931 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net:
In article <Xns97D4DB6FFB648niceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>,
me (AT) privacy (DOT) net says...
"Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
news:4e6c77F1cm1idU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net:
"Mister Niceguy" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:Xns97D4C0977AB94niceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119...
"Keep it EDI?" Aye, right....
As far as this thread goes, it was a sensible discussion until
wrecked by you and Clive. And you expect me to have sympathy?
Adrian we have seen your correspondent (not Blimps, your other
one) saying LHR is specifically on topic here and GLA is the
only airport in the world deemed off topic, whilst he mentions
it in every thread with never a comment from you about his
spoiling tactics which are a million times more in your face
than my interruption of your enjoyable conversation. If a thread
was something specific about GLA and in no way relevant to EDI
you might say it is missplaced here as it's an EDI group and
you'd have a fair point but I'm not prepared to bow to his
mentality. EDI is the airport here - any other airport is just
as topical as another. Why you are prepared to indulge him, I
really don't know.
I will indulge anyone who wants to talk about airports. I've even
managed a couple of sensible exchanges with John D recently
despite his history of antagonism towards me. No point bearing
grudges. It's only usenet and it's not about the world versus Joe
Curry. Not to me anyway.
FWIW, I have no problem with GLA discussions although I would add
that there are a disproportionate number for my liking.
Then please point that out when the usual culprit starts them!
He can start them if he wants. It's not a big deal.
But it is a big deal if say `I` start them?
Not at all.
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So why pass comment when I introduce a GLA thread but ignore one from say
JC if it isn't a big deal?
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Jim Mason
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: 'Retire Heathrow' |
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In article <Xns97D4DE0A683DFniceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>, me (AT) privacy (DOT) net
says...
| Quote: | Jim Mason <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1ee810ac9517a34a989936 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net:
In article <Xns97D4DCEE9DAD1niceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>,
me (AT) privacy (DOT) net says...
"dagspot" <dagspot (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in
news:HKWdnTq1Y7eLY-DZnZ2dnUVZ8qudnZ2d (AT) bt (DOT) com:
"B" <blimpie (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote in message
I have 20+ posting ID's, I post using multiple e-mail accounts in
the one thread
B
Do we have any explanation for this bizaar trait ?
Well he's changed his id a few times over the years. But we all know
it's him :-)
Can you answer the question Adrian?
No, I don't know the answer. Do you?
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Yes. I have already given it.
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Jim Mason
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: 'Retire Heathrow' |
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In article <Xns97D4DDD60169Eniceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>, me (AT) privacy (DOT) net
says...
| Quote: | Jim Mason <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1ee8104a980b0211989934 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net:
In article <Xns97D4DC3A86B60niceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>,
me (AT) privacy (DOT) net says...
Jim Mason <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1ee80d6679449e1798992f (AT) news (DOT) individual.net:
In article <4e6c77F1cm1idU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net>,
clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk says...
"Mister Niceguy" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:Xns97D4C0977AB94niceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119...
"Keep it EDI?" Aye, right....
As far as this thread goes, it was a sensible discussion until
wrecked by you and Clive. And you expect me to have sympathy?
Adrian we have seen your correspondent (not Blimps, your other
one) saying LHR is specifically on topic here and GLA is the only
airport in the world deemed off topic, whilst he mentions it in
every thread with never a comment from you about his spoiling
tactics which are a million times more in your face than my
interruption of your enjoyable conversation. If a thread was
something specific about GLA and in no way relevant to EDI you
might say it is missplaced here as it's an EDI group and you'd
have a fair point but I'm not prepared to bow to his mentality.
EDI is the airport here - any other airport is just as topical as
another. Why you are prepared to indulge him, I really don't know.
Neither do most people Clive. I have yet to see a satisfactory
explanation
:-(
How many more do you want?
Sadly - the quieter Adrian is - the more his correspondent sees it
:as
an endorsement of his imbecility.
Hardly my problem. You have your battles with Joe if you want to.
I'm not standing in your way, although if you could leave space to
talk airports that would be grand.
You really couldn't make it up!
Resorting to condescending clichés now are we? And you expect me to
help you in your struggles for aaue supremacy against Joe? Am I really
so influential?
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Not if you continue your vow of selective silence - no.
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Jim Mason
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: 'Retire Heathrow' |
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In article <Xns97D4DD552905Bniceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>, me (AT) privacy (DOT) net
says...
| Quote: | Jim Mason <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1ee80fd6b5ad646d989933 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net:
In article <Xns97D4DBD8FA91niceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>,
me (AT) privacy (DOT) net says...
Jim Mason <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1ee80c9297cf232498992e (AT) news (DOT) individual.net:
In article <Xns97D4D949EA905niceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>,
me (AT) privacy (DOT) net says...
Jim Mason <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1ee808fd856a02cb98992b (AT) news (DOT) individual.net:
In article <Xns97D4D56A1BE13niceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>,
me (AT) privacy (DOT) net says...
Jim Mason <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1ee8016a86542e3a989927 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net:
In article
1149103630.311982.314400 (AT) i39g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
blimpie (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com says...
Mister Niceguy wrote:
Jim Mason <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1ee7fb2d64ba425a989924 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net:
In article
Xns97D4CCEF396CAniceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>,
me (AT) privacy (DOT) net says...
Jim Mason <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote
in news:MPG.1ee7ec533026ea49989920 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net:
In article
Xns97D4C0977AB94niceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>,
me (AT) privacy (DOT) net says...
As far as this thread goes, it was a sensible
discussion until wrecked by you and Clive. And you
expect me to have sympathy?
I look forward to your comments re the attempts to
wreck the recent discussion we had re EARL Adrian.
Your credibilty would receive a massive boost if you
were to apply your comments to all `thread breakers`.
Google reveals at least 15 attempts at wrecking that
thread that you failed to acknowledge.
I wouldn't have even mentioned it this time if I hadn't
been baited.
Yet you complain others pass comment when they are
`baited`?
No I don't. I complain when people post stuff like the
recent 8x cross- post thread - and many others complained
too.
Credibility indeed.
Indeed. You either pass your comments across the board
or keep them to yourself was what you were suggesting
you were going to do only a few weeks ago.
Remind me.
I didn't have much faith then - it seems my cynicism was
justified.
It would help if you didn't encourage threads like the 8x
corsspost stuff. You opinion of me is of little
importance.
You must have missed the "Welcome To Abbotsinch!" thread
then..
He isn't helping his case :-)
From your point of view, probably not. Still back-patting
then?
:-)
I was talking from your point of view - not mine.
If agreeing with another poster's justifiable (and not in any
way unique) point of view (backed up with examples) is
back-patting then I am afraid I am guilty as charged.
Personally I have a mind of my own and am not influenced by you,
Blimpie, Clive or anyone else mentioned in this thread. The fact
that several people have similar points of view re your
inconsistency says more about what might be factual than any
suggestion of organised criticism.
Those people are narked for one well-documented reason.
Yes - your hypocrisy.
Which you have already equated to your own. I don't know why you
persist in this silly battle for moral supremacy.
Oh I think you do Adrian.
Those who I do select have something in common. Can you guess
what it is?
Yes. They aren't Joe!
No, would you like another guess?
They are critical of someone you admire and is close to your heart?
Actually you are right.
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Personally I seek role models that have dubious opinions of their
neighbours and ones that don't base their whole philosphy on blind bigotry.
But hey that is your choice Adrian and for once starts to answer many
unanswered questions.
Thanks for the insight.
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Zippy
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: 'Retire Heathrow' |
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"Mister Niceguy" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in message
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You mentioned right and wrong, not me. If you don't like
"collaborators" then use the word "encouragers" or "sympathisers".
Anything you want to use that conveys the situation.
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Right and wrong is right. That's where my criticism comes from. Nothing to
do with postcodes or sections of the population. Make no mistake, if anyone
else displayed behaviour like Joe's I'd be criticising them. I despise blind
bigotry of any kind and I don't form my views as part of a pack as you
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Clive Braham wrote:
| Quote: | "Mister Niceguy" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in message
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I'm enjoying a sensible discussion.
Since it's top of the agenda, LHR is having a massive development as
we
speak and won't be going anywhere. Here are the details of the £4.2bn
construction of Terminal 5.
www.heathrowairport.com/portal/controller/dispatcher.jsp?Ch=XYZT5
Clive
That's more like it.
I don't think there's any appetite to build large new airports just now
anywhere in the UK. Finningley is about as far as it goes. Unless we
see a substantial increase in long haul there will be no more runways
anywhere around London.
Aren't they planning one for STN?
Around half the passengers flying from EDI are London-bound.
Yes I know. It's a shame London is so dominant. Still, as we have been
discussing that dominance should slip somewhat in the future in favour of
more international flights.
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Unless of course London is the termini?
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Clive Braham
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"Mister Niceguy" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in message
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Around half the passengers flying from EDI are London-bound.
Yes I know. It's a shame London is so dominant. Still, as we have been
discussing that dominance should slip somewhat in the future in favour
of more international flights.
Which is why the demand around London has probably been overstated.
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Well I dunno. I think demand will continue to grow from London even if
demand to there from Scotland dips in future. As air travel in general
trebles in x amount of years LHR will likely run close to capacity forever
whilst regional airports enjoy more point to point services. Hopefully
demand for air travel has in no way reached a peak.
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Jim Mason
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: 'Retire Heathrow' |
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In article <1149113066.086622.259380 (AT) y43g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
blimpie (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com says...
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Jim Mason wrote:
In article <Xns97D4DE65717C5niceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>, me (AT) privacy (DOT) net
says...
Jim Mason <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1ee810e47e064df9989937 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net:
In article <Xns97D4DD265227Fniceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>,
me (AT) privacy (DOT) net says...
Jim Mason <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1ee80ec2e2e30364989931 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net:
In article <Xns97D4DB6FFB648niceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>,
me (AT) privacy (DOT) net says...
"Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
news:4e6c77F1cm1idU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net:
"Mister Niceguy" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:Xns97D4C0977AB94niceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119...
"Keep it EDI?" Aye, right....
As far as this thread goes, it was a sensible discussion until
wrecked by you and Clive. And you expect me to have sympathy?
Adrian we have seen your correspondent (not Blimps, your other
one) saying LHR is specifically on topic here and GLA is the
only airport in the world deemed off topic, whilst he mentions
it in every thread with never a comment from you about his
spoiling tactics which are a million times more in your face
than my interruption of your enjoyable conversation. If a thread
was something specific about GLA and in no way relevant to EDI
you might say it is missplaced here as it's an EDI group and
you'd have a fair point but I'm not prepared to bow to his
mentality. EDI is the airport here - any other airport is just
as topical as another. Why you are prepared to indulge him, I
really don't know.
I will indulge anyone who wants to talk about airports. I've even
managed a couple of sensible exchanges with John D recently
despite his history of antagonism towards me. No point bearing
grudges. It's only usenet and it's not about the world versus Joe
Curry. Not to me anyway.
FWIW, I have no problem with GLA discussions although I would add
that there are a disproportionate number for my liking.
Then please point that out when the usual culprit starts them!
He can start them if he wants. It's not a big deal.
But it is a big deal if say `I` start them?
Not at all.
So why pass comment when I introduce a GLA thread but ignore one from say
JC if it isn't a big deal?
'Justified retaliatory abuse' because you reside west of the Harthill
Divide.
;-)
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Smiley noted, but I'm beginning to wonder ;-)
Jim
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