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JPS Guest
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 11:41 pm Post subject: Help needed: 582 Overheating |
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I've a Rotax 582 Mod99 (Blue headed) engine with about 20 hours. I'm
experiencing overheating problems: At 5500 rpm the water temperature goes up
to 80ºC(176F) with the outside temperature (air) about
28ºC(82.4F)-30ºC(86F).
With cooler air temperatures, such as 18ºC(64.4F)-20ºC(68F), at 5500rpm, the
water temperature usually stabilizes at about 75ºC(167F), which I think is
already high.
I've checked: cooling liquid; radiator (cleaned external and internally);
correct fuel/oil mixture.
Previously, I owned a Rotax 582 Mod90 (Grey headed), which used the same
cooling circuit, i.e, same radiator, same water temperature sensor and gauge
and same overall system disposition on the aircraft. With this engine, I
didn't experienced any kind of overheating problems, no matter how high the
external temperature was.
What can it be?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
JPS
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Mark Ambrose Guest
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 1:27 am Post subject: Re: Help needed: 582 Overheating |
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Sounds like you have a trapped air bubble in your coolant system. Either that or
your impeller isn't pumping water. Check for an air bubble first. Lift the tail
of the aircraft with the coolant system open.You may have to do this several
times. If all else fails get yourself a device called an "Air Lift". It uses a
compressor to pull a vacuum in the coolant system, then sucks the coolant to
fill the vacuum without trapping any air. I've used the tool with very good
results.
Mark Ambrose
JPS wrote:
| Quote: | I've a Rotax 582 Mod99 (Blue headed) engine with about 20 hours. I'm
experiencing overheating problems: At 5500 rpm the water temperature goes up
to 80ºC(176F) with the outside temperature (air) about
28ºC(82.4F)-30ºC(86F).
With cooler air temperatures, such as 18ºC(64.4F)-20ºC(68F), at 5500rpm, the
water temperature usually stabilizes at about 75ºC(167F), which I think is
already high.
I've checked: cooling liquid; radiator (cleaned external and internally);
correct fuel/oil mixture.
Previously, I owned a Rotax 582 Mod90 (Grey headed), which used the same
cooling circuit, i.e, same radiator, same water temperature sensor and gauge
and same overall system disposition on the aircraft. With this engine, I
didn't experienced any kind of overheating problems, no matter how high the
external temperature was.
What can it be?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
JPS
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Fr. John Elledge Guest
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 1:44 am Post subject: Re: Help needed: 582 Overheating |
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Is there an echo in here?
"JPS" <jpspitfire (AT) netcabo (DOT) pt> wrote
| Quote: | I've a Rotax 582 Mod99 (Blue headed) engine with about 20 hours. I'm
experiencing overheating problems: At 5500 rpm the water temperature goes
up
to 80ºC(176F) with the outside temperature (air) about
28ºC(82.4F)-30ºC(86F).
With cooler air temperatures, such as 18ºC(64.4F)-20ºC(68F), at 5500rpm,
the
water temperature usually stabilizes at about 75ºC(167F), which I think is
already high.
I've checked: cooling liquid; radiator (cleaned external and internally);
correct fuel/oil mixture.
Previously, I owned a Rotax 582 Mod90 (Grey headed), which used the same
cooling circuit, i.e, same radiator, same water temperature sensor and
gauge
and same overall system disposition on the aircraft. With this engine, I
didn't experienced any kind of overheating problems, no matter how high
the
external temperature was.
What can it be?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
JPS
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Q Guest
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Help needed: 582 Overheating |
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Any chance you have a mix of more antifreeze than water? A friend of mine
had a similar problem and changed to a 60% water/40% antifreeze. Problem
solved.
Q
"JPS" <jpspitfire (AT) netcabo (DOT) pt> wrote
| Quote: | I've a Rotax 582 Mod99 (Blue headed) engine with about 20 hours. I'm
experiencing overheating problems: At 5500 rpm the water temperature goes
up
to 80ºC(176F) with the outside temperature (air) about
28ºC(82.4F)-30ºC(86F).
With cooler air temperatures, such as 18ºC(64.4F)-20ºC(68F), at 5500rpm,
the
water temperature usually stabilizes at about 75ºC(167F), which I think is
already high.
I've checked: cooling liquid; radiator (cleaned external and internally);
correct fuel/oil mixture.
Previously, I owned a Rotax 582 Mod90 (Grey headed), which used the same
cooling circuit, i.e, same radiator, same water temperature sensor and
gauge
and same overall system disposition on the aircraft. With this engine, I
didn't experienced any kind of overheating problems, no matter how high
the
external temperature was.
What can it be?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
JPS
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Gordon L. Slivinski Guest
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: 582 Overheating |
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Hi JPS .
May i sujest that try going to this web site
http://www.worldtalkradio.com/channel.asp?cid=2 . I t is the the site of
Ultra Flight Radio . Tom Oleniuk has weekly talks on engine maitience
and care for the last 4 or 5 weeks. It is always the 4th articail . He
is a Rotax engine mechanic and knows everything about the 582 . The 582
BTW should run between150 F. and 175 F. with the proper coolant (
Orange) in it .
Check it out .
Gordon
JPS wrote:
| Quote: | I've a Rotax 582 Mod99 (Blue headed) engine with about 20 hours. I'm
experiencing overheating problems: At 5500 rpm the water temperature goes up
to 80ºC(176F) with the outside temperature (air) about
28ºC(82.4F)-30ºC(86F).
With cooler air temperatures, such as 18ºC(64.4F)-20ºC(68F), at 5500rpm, the
water temperature usually stabilizes at about 75ºC(167F), which I think is
already high.
I've checked: cooling liquid; radiator (cleaned external and internally);
correct fuel/oil mixture.
Previously, I owned a Rotax 582 Mod90 (Grey headed), which used the same
cooling circuit, i.e, same radiator, same water temperature sensor and gauge
and same overall system disposition on the aircraft. With this engine, I
didn't experienced any kind of overheating problems, no matter how high the
external temperature was.
What can it be?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
JPS
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Mark Smith Guest
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: 582 Overheating |
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VideoFlyer wrote:
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176 degrees doesn't sound all that hot to me. In fact, I think 175 degrees is
the recommended operating temp. I use a 160 degree thermostat on a 582 grey
head. Temps run from 160 to 180 degrees. No problems in 300 hours.
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the stock rotax thermostat is 135,
where did you get a 160 ?>?
--
Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales http://www.trikite.com
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620 mailto:mark (AT) trikite (DOT) com
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FIyer111 Guest
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: 582 Overheating |
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The NAPA number used to be 18-3670. But I think it may have been discontinued.
OMC has a thermostat that cross references with the 18-3670 kit. It is a 160
degree thermostat...OMC part #982554. That is just the thermostat. They also
sell a kit that includes gaskets and stuff but I don't think they would fit.
The thermostat itself works fine. West Marine or any OMC dealer should
probably have one in stock....under 10 bucks.
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smw Guest
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: 582 Overheating |
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is there air in the cooling sys? have you pressurized the cooling sys to see
if there are any leaks? the radiator cap could be leaking. the thermostat
could be defective or be the wrong temperature rating. what is the temp that
the thermostat opens? it should be stamped on it. put it in a pot of hot
water on your stove with a thermometer and see if it opens at the temp it
should. just a few ideas hope this helps.
"JPS" <jpspitfire (AT) netcabo (DOT) pt> wrote
| Quote: | I've a Rotax 582 Mod99 (Blue headed) engine with about 20 hours. I'm
experiencing overheating problems: At 5500 rpm the water temperature goes
up
to 80ºC(176F) with the outside temperature (air) about
28ºC(82.4F)-30ºC(86F).
With cooler air temperatures, such as 18ºC(64.4F)-20ºC(68F), at 5500rpm,
the
water temperature usually stabilizes at about 75ºC(167F), which I think is
already high.
I've checked: cooling liquid; radiator (cleaned external and internally);
correct fuel/oil mixture.
Previously, I owned a Rotax 582 Mod90 (Grey headed), which used the same
cooling circuit, i.e, same radiator, same water temperature sensor and
gauge
and same overall system disposition on the aircraft. With this engine, I
didn't experienced any kind of overheating problems, no matter how high
the
external temperature was.
What can it be?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
JPS
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Sten-Anders Fellman Guest
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:20 am Post subject: Re: Help needed: 582 Overheating |
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Probably an air bubble in the system. I usually have the opposite problem,
have to cover the radiator about 30 % in the summer and more then 50 % in
the winter to get the temperature to up to 60 degrees.
Sten-Anders Fellman
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| Quote: | is there air in the cooling sys? have you pressurized the cooling sys to
see
if there are any leaks? the radiator cap could be leaking. the
thermostat
could be defective or be the wrong temperature rating. what is the temp
that
the thermostat opens? it should be stamped on it. put it in a pot of hot
water on your stove with a thermometer and see if it opens at the temp it
should. just a few ideas hope this helps.
"JPS" <jpspitfire (AT) netcabo (DOT) pt> wrote in message
news:3f299bca$0$28955$a729d347 (AT) news (DOT) telepac.pt...
I've a Rotax 582 Mod99 (Blue headed) engine with about 20 hours. I'm
experiencing overheating problems: At 5500 rpm the water temperature
goes
up
to 80ºC(176F) with the outside temperature (air) about
28ºC(82.4F)-30ºC(86F).
With cooler air temperatures, such as 18ºC(64.4F)-20ºC(68F), at 5500rpm,
the
water temperature usually stabilizes at about 75ºC(167F), which I think
is
already high.
I've checked: cooling liquid; radiator (cleaned external and
internally);
correct fuel/oil mixture.
Previously, I owned a Rotax 582 Mod90 (Grey headed), which used the same
cooling circuit, i.e, same radiator, same water temperature sensor and
gauge
and same overall system disposition on the aircraft. With this engine, I
didn't experienced any kind of overheating problems, no matter how high
the
external temperature was.
What can it be?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
JPS
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