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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 10:56 pm    Post subject: average time to solo? Reply with quote



Hello,
I was wondering how much time people take to solo on an average in
the US. I am sure it is a great feeling but how nervous does one get
on their first solo flight? Would be interesting to know how people
dealt with their nervousness on their first solos.
thx


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BTIZ
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:37 pm    Post subject: Re: average time to solo? Reply with quote



this has been discussed many times.. do a google search.

you will find low hours (6-10) to solo in "remote" country areas, and high
times (20) to solo in more densly populated or metropolitan areas. Radio
work or busy traffic patterns?

BT

"Flying Enthusiast" <avionics74 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Hello,
I was wondering how much time people take to solo on an average in
the US. I am sure it is a great feeling but how nervous does one get
on their first solo flight? Would be interesting to know how people
dealt with their nervousness on their first solos.
thx



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Geoffrey Barnes
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: average time to solo? Reply with quote

Quote:
I was wondering how much time people take to solo on an average in
the US. I am sure it is a great feeling but how nervous does one get
on their first solo flight? Would be interesting to know how people
dealt with their nervousness on their first solos.

I had 15 sessions of dual, and around 24 hours when I did my first solo. I
am indeed in a metropolitan area (Pittsburgh), at a rather busy towered
airport (AGC). I also am an aging gentleman who required significant effort
to do things like steer with my feet after so many years of driving a car.
I also faced a spate of days where the weather was fine for dual
instruction, but no so great for soloing. In other words, I probably took
far longer than the average bear. But it's not a race, and it's not a
contest, and I don't feel the need to compare myself to anyone else. I'm
proud to say that when I finally did solo, I was 100% certain that I could
do it, and I knew that my instructor was totally confident as well.

I might have been more nervous if my impending solo was more of a suprise to
me. My instructor had already told me to start wearing "old shirts" to
every lesson, so I knew it was coming. I had taken a pre-solo written test
the week before, and it took him a while to finish grading it. Again, I knew
it was coming. Then, on the day of my solo, we had unexpected good weather,
and the instructor actually called ME that morning and asked if I could come
out to the airport. Clearly, he had something in mind. Finally, when I got
there, he asked to see my logbook and medical and disappeared into the back
office for a few minutes. So when he stepped out of the plane after a few
touch-and-goes, I can't say that it came as a big shock.

That's not to say that I didn't have butterflies. But at that point, you
have done so many turns around the pattern that you find yourself taking
only left turns in you car when you are driving. You've done so many
landings. It's suddenly very quiet, but you've been there before. And it
worked out for me, just as it does for nearly everyone.



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MRQB
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 3:03 am    Post subject: Re: average time to solo? Reply with quote

I did an average of new and student pilots at my local FBO's average was 26
lowest was 8 highest was 72.4 that only 39 pilots & students i excluded the
72.4 hour student as it would make the average way off and the kid that had
them hours soloed on his 16th B-Day when he was of age.

This is in the Portland, OR & Vancouver, WA Area Kinda Busy





"Flying Enthusiast" <avionics74 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Hello,
I was wondering how much time people take to solo on an average in
the US. I am sure it is a great feeling but how nervous does one get
on their first solo flight? Would be interesting to know how people
dealt with their nervousness on their first solos.
thx



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tony roberts
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:15 am    Post subject: Re: average time to solo? Reply with quote

Quote:
I was wondering how much time people take to solo on an average in
the US.

20 hours is probably about average across the country and allowing for
all the different classes of training airports.
However - time to solo isn't so important as the ability and knowledge
of the student soloing. It also depends upon your instructor. Most will,
I believe, solo you when you are ready and not before or after. Some
will delay your solo through their own insecurities (their neck is on
the line), or even to squeeze a couple more hours tuition (very rare)
Some will solo you before you are ready - everyone makes mistakes.
The thing is not to get hung up on time to solo - it isn't a race - it's
a case of being the best/safest pilot that you can be. As a potential
passenger, the fact that you scored in the top 10% on your flight test
will impress me far more than the fact that you soloed in 10 hours.


Quote:
I am sure it is a great feeling but how nervous does one get
on their first solo flight? Would be interesting to know how people
dealt with their nervousness on their first solos.

Once you realise that after takeoff, for the first time in your life
there is nobody - nobody - to help you until after you complete this
task on your own, you stop being nervous. You are too busy checking
everything 6 times Smile
But the bottom line is to trust your instructor. If your instructor
signs you off for a solo, you have the capability to solo.
Because if you screw up your instructor is in deep doodie :)


--
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Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Almost Instrument Smile
Cessna 172H C-GICE

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Gene Whitt
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: average time to solo? Reply with quote

Flying,
Time to solo is not a good indicator of anything. I could teach a person to
drive around the block in a car in the
same time I could teach a person to fly the pattern in a
trainer. Controlling is not flying. Just as steering is not driving.

When I solo a student, and I have soloed many, he is
proficient in many skills far beyond the FAA minimums.
That is the problem. All FAA requirements are minimums.
At minimums you are barely able to do anything right.
An instructor should never teach toward minimums and a student should never
accept minimums as an accepable level of either safety or achievement.

"Flying Enthusiast" <avionics74 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Hello,
I was wondering how much time people take to solo on an average in
the US. I am sure it is a great feeling but how nervous does one get
on their first solo flight? Would be interesting to know how people
dealt with their nervousness on their first solos.
thx



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Gilan
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:44 am    Post subject: Re: average time to solo? Reply with quote

I'm sure as many people will say in their replies the time to solo will vary
greatly.
I soloed in 9 hours at Orlando Executive airport. Everyone is different and
the environment they fly in will be different so I don't really think you
will find a good average. My knees were a knocking that first time but it
sure felt great to up there for the first time alone.
--
Have a good day and stay out of the trees!
See ya on Sport Aircraft group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/


Private Pilot in 10 days
http://www.perfectplanes.com


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tony roberts
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:56 am    Post subject: Re: average time to solo? Reply with quote

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Private Pilot in 10 days

I sure hope that this doesn't appeal to anyone here.
I just visited the site which is full of a whole lot of waffle about how
long term memory fades rapidly day by day and that is why you should
learn in ten days.

So is he saying that he doesn't give a sh*t how much you forget once you
have youe PP-ASEL? That is scary.
--
[email]Indiacharlieecho (AT) hotmail (DOT) com[/email]
Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Almost Instrument Smile
Cessna 172H C-GICE

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BTIZ
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:37 am    Post subject: Re: average time to solo? Reply with quote

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Private Pilot in 10 days
http://www.perfectplanes.com


Does not leave much time for "excersise" to build the long term memory, nor
the opportunity to experience different weather patterns or wind
conditions..

BT



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Eric Backscheider
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: average time to solo? Reply with quote

I Soloed in 10 hours. I am in Cincinnati, but I train out of the
reach of CVG's airspace. I also am in a Piper Cub, so all I had to
do is fly. I have no radio to deal with.

As far as being nervous. I thought that when the time came that I
would be a wreck. It was actually the opposite. Once I took off and
realized that it was me flying. Then I just was thinking altitude,
airspeed, when to go to idle, when to flare, ... Basically I was
busy thinking about flying the plane safely, that I was not a nervous
wreck. Don't get me wrong, I was nervous, my heart was going, and I
still get that way. I don't think it was from being scared, but more
like a dream come true.

Thanks,
Eric


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Quote:
Hello,
I was wondering how much time people take to solo on an average in
the US. I am sure it is a great feeling but how nervous does one get
on their first solo flight? Would be interesting to know how people
dealt with their nervousness on their first solos.
thx

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: average time to solo? Reply with quote

On 30 Dec 2003 14:56:36 -0800, [email]avionics74 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com[/email] (Flying
Enthusiast) wrote:

Quote:
I was wondering how much time people take to solo on an average in
the US.

I personally don't believe there can exist a meaningful average for
civilian training.

Quote:
I am sure it is a great feeling but how nervous does one get
on their first solo flight? Would be interesting to know how people
dealt with their nervousness on their first solos.

I'll be honest with you - I was more thrilled than anything else when
it happened. I was not nervous - it just felt great! I was confident
in my training and that I was prepared to handle just about anything
that could happen on those 3 trips around the pattern.

I don't know about others in the group, but those 3 landings were some
of the best I've ever done. It was a wonderful experience.

If you have the proper preparation, you may not be nervous at all!

--
Kay
Student Pilot
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 3:08 pm    Post subject: Re: average time to solo? Reply with quote

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:03:12 -0800, "MRQB" <none (AT) thistime (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:
I did an average of new and student pilots. At my local FBO, the average was 26.
Lowest was 8, highest was 72.4. That's only 39 pilots & students. I excluded the
72.4 hour student, as it would make the average way off and the kid that had
those hours soloed on his 16th B-Day, when he was of age.

This is in the Portland, OR & Vancouver, WA Area. Kinda Busy.

MRQB, of the responses to this question I've seen here and in the
archives, this may come the closest to what I'd call a good average.

To get a truly meaningful average, I believe you'd have to ask a
particular instructor teaching at a particular airport in a particular
type of aircraft for data on students of a specific age, with specific
training frequency, having specific comfort levels with flight in
small airplanes prior to the beginning of training.

But a random average of pilots at a particular FBO may be closest to
answering the question at hand. But either way, as a performance
indicator, time to solo is, IMHO, um, doo doo.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:01 pm    Post subject: Re: average time to solo? Reply with quote

"tony roberts" <nospam (AT) nowhere (DOT) ca> wrote

Quote:
Private Pilot in 10 days

I sure hope that this doesn't appeal to anyone here.
I just visited the site which is full of a whole lot of waffle about how
long term memory fades rapidly day by day and that is why you should
learn in ten days.

So is he saying that he doesn't give a sh*t how much you forget once you
have youe PP-ASEL? That is scary.

Actually, Tony, there was an article in AOPA or Flight Training or Aviation
Safety a couple of years ago concerning these quick certification training
centers. The article focused mainly on IFR training.

The editors surveyed a bunch of students who took the "normal" slow route
and compared their skill level/retention to those who did it using the
quickie, "10 day" training centers.

The jest of the article was that the quickie people actually measured-up
slightly better than the slow-route people.

--
Jim Fisher



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L Smith
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:01 pm    Post subject: Re: average time to solo? Reply with quote

MRQB wrote:

Quote:
I did an average of new and student pilots at my local FBO's average was 26
lowest was 8 highest was 72.4 that only 39 pilots & students i excluded the
72.4 hour student as it would make the average way off and the kid that had
them hours soloed on his 16th B-Day when he was of age.


This type of data skew is very common. When you have this type of

situation, the "median"
value is much more meaningful. (The median value is the one where half
of the reported
values are smaller, half are larger. The median value of the sequence
"1 2 3 4 100" is
3 - the average is 55.)

Rich Lemert

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: average time to solo? Reply with quote

"BTIZ" <btiznospm2 (AT) cox (DOT) nospm.net> wrote

Quote:

Private Pilot in 10 days
http://www.perfectplanes.com


Does not leave much time for "excersise" to build the long term memory, nor
the opportunity to experience different weather patterns or wind
conditions..

BT

20 hrs is about the average. I have found that younger people tend to
solo earlier (10-20 hrs) while older people solo a little later (20-30
hrs). This difference is mainly because new mechanical skills are
easier to learn when you are younger. However, the total time before
checkride is similar for both age groups. The reason for this is
flying is not all about learning mechanical skills. Older students are
able to learn planning, weather, and judgement skills faster than
younger students. These two factors tend to balance off in the end.

I have had young kids who soloed at 10 hours but took more than 60
hours for the checkride. I've also had older students who soloed at 30
hours but were ready for the checkride by 50 hours.

There are exceptions. I have had young students who was very mature.
They soloed at 10 hrs and were ready for the checkride in 35 hrs.

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