AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  How many hours? Copper Cable Kit for '78 Warrior          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Owning Airplanes View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Bud Patterson Guest Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:25 am    Post subject: How many hours? Copper Cable Kit for '78 Warrior I did the Google search for previous discussions, found the Bogert Kit http://maxpages.com/bogertaviation/Copper_Cable_Kit, but didn't find an estimate of the number of hours needed to install the kit. The answer will bias the decision wrt DIY under supervision or just have it done. My A&P lacks experience in this area, eliciting a fit of head scratching, beard pulling and pessimistic noises..... I'll call Bogert, get their estimate and post back. I bet this will be the *minimum* theoretical time ;) Thanks for your support, -Bud N235PA San Diego MYF To reply via email, remove B4FLIGHT Back to top Bob Noel Guest Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: How many hours? Copper Cable Kit for '78 Warrior In article <Vrueb.18733$Ak3.4383 (AT) twister (DOT) socal.rr.com>, "Bud Patterson" <clanpattB4FLIGHT (AT) san (DOT) rr.com> wrote: Quote: I did the Google search for previous discussions, found the Bogert Kit http://maxpages.com/bogertaviation/Copper_Cable_Kit, but didn't find an estimate of the number of hours needed to install the kit. The answer will bias the decision wrt DIY under supervision or just have it done. From my perspective (having done it under supervision), it depends on how neat you want to be. IIRC, it took me most of a Saturday to do it. The fun of taking off interior panels and reinstalling them makes an estimate difficult. One recommendation: take pictures (e.g., with a digital camera) of the routing of the wires. Take LOTS of pictures. -- Bob Noel Back to top Michelle P Guest Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:46 pm    Post subject: Re: How many hours? Copper Cable Kit for '78 Warrior Bud, Plan on all day. You have to take out the left side wall panels, cut/pull the old cable, route the new one and terminate it. then put the aircraft back together. Oh forgot you have to remove the pilots seat too (not hard). Michelle A&P Bud Patterson wrote: Quote: I did the Google search for previous discussions, found the Bogert Kit http://maxpages.com/bogertaviation/Copper_Cable_Kit, but didn't find an estimate of the number of hours needed to install the kit. The answer will bias the decision wrt DIY under supervision or just have it done. My A&P lacks experience in this area, eliciting a fit of head scratching, beard pulling and pessimistic noises..... I'll call Bogert, get their estimate and post back. I bet this will be the *minimum* theoretical time ;) Thanks for your support, -Bud N235PA San Diego MYF To reply via email, remove B4FLIGHT -- Michelle P ATP-ASEL, CP-AMEL, and AMT-A&P "Elisabeth" a Maule M-7-235B (no two are alike) Volunteer Pilot, Angel Flight Mid-Atlantic Volunteer Builder, Habitat for Humanity Back to top Neal Guest Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:49 pm    Post subject: Re: How many hours? Copper Cable Kit for '78 Warrior My Cherokee had the Bogert cables installed in the past, years before I bought the plane. There's still a receipt in the logbook bag showing where the A&P billed the prior owners for 4 hours labor for the installation. Looking at how much work is really involved, I bet it actually took longer and the A&P just was really generous that day. Back to top G.R. Patterson III Guest Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 12:37 am    Post subject: Re: How many hours? Copper Cable Kit for '78 Warrior Neal wrote: Quote: Looking at how much work is really involved, I bet it actually took longer and the A&P just was really generous that day. Actually, the A&P probably was a skilled mechanic. George Patterson God grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, the good fortune to run into the ones I like, and the eyesight to tell the difference. Back to top Jim Vadek Guest Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 12:57 am    Post subject: Re: How many hours? Copper Cable Kit for '78 Warrior "G.R. Patterson III" <grpphoto (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote Quote: Looking at how much work is really involved, I bet it actually took longer and the A&P just was really generous that day. Actually, the A&P probably was a skilled mechanic. Skilled and honest. A rare combination. Back to top Blanche Cohen Guest Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 1:18 am    Post subject: Re: How many hours? Copper Cable Kit for '78 Warrior I've been waiting until I have the cash to replace the original '69 interior on the left side. And the insulation, too. Since the panels must come off, may as well do everything at once. Back to top Bud Patterson Guest Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 4:31 am    Post subject: Re: How many hours? Copper Cable Kit for '78 Warrior "Bud Patterson" wrote ... Quote: I'll call Bogert, get their estimate and post back. Kathy from Bogert was very helpful. The kit is about $250 and they estimate 6 - 8 hours as a stand alone job and 4 - 6 hours if done during annual. Bob, Michelle, Jim, Neal: Thanks for taking the time to reply with your experiences. I think I'll go DIY if my A&P is game. Cheers, -Bud N235PA San Diego MYF To reply via email, remove B4FLIGHT Back to top Sandy Mustard Guest Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: How many hours? Copper Cable Kit for '78 Warrior If your warrior has the braided grounding strap at the battery box, I'd spring for the Bogert battery box mod also. It's about $50. Sandy Mustard Bud Patterson wrote: Quote: "Bud Patterson" wrote ... I'll call Bogert, get their estimate and post back. Kathy from Bogert was very helpful. The kit is about $250 and they estimate 6 - 8 hours as a stand alone job and 4 - 6 hours if done during annual. Bob, Michelle, Jim, Neal: Thanks for taking the time to reply with your experiences. I think I'll go DIY if my A&P is game. Cheers, -Bud N235PA San Diego MYF To reply via email, remove B4FLIGHT Back to top Bud Patterson Guest Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: How many hours? Copper Cable Kit for '78 Warrior "Sandy Mustard" <Sandy.Mustard (AT) eds (DOT) com> wrote Quote: If your warrior has the braided grounding strap at the battery box, I'd spring for the Bogert battery box mod also. It's about $50. Bogert is faxing the instructions to my A&P for consideration. Meanwhile, I went flying today. Same old thing, first blade fails to turn, so I let it back off and bump it again to get it over the 'hump'. This produces the usual labored rotations, but then, something new. Electrical power quit, just as if I had turned off the master switch, in mid start. Now, I had asked my A&P to check every connection for excessive voltage drop while cranking, for the purpose of ruling out other issues than the aluminum cables themselves. He indicated that the check had been performed by his 'electrical system Guru' and they had found no excessive delta V while cranking. Imagine my surprise when I inspect the positive battery terminal and find that the fastener nut is loose. After tightening, the starter spins like a top! We'll see how this holds up over time and hold off on the copper cable installation. -Bud N235PA San Diego MYF To reply via email, remove B4FLIGHT Back to top Jay Masino Guest Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: How many hours? Copper Cable Kit for '78 Warrior Bud Patterson <clanpattB4FLIGHT (AT) san (DOT) rr.com> wrote: Quote: Imagine my surprise when I inspect the positive battery terminal and find that the fastener nut is loose. After tightening, the starter spins like a top! We'll see how this holds up over time and hold off on the copper cable installation. If that terminal has been loose for several flights, it may have been arcing a bit. You might want take it apart and clean the terminals really well. -- Jay __!__ Jay and Teresa Masino ___(_)___ http://www2.ari.net/jmasino/ ! ! ! Checkout http://www.oc-adolfos.com/ for the best Italian food in Ocean City, MD and... Checkout http://www.brolow.com/ for authentic Blues music on Delmarva Back to top Bud Patterson Guest Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 6:42 am    Post subject: Re: How many hours? Copper Cable Kit for '78 Warrior "Jay Masino" <NOSPAMjmtl (AT) crosslink (DOT) net> wrote > Quote: If that terminal has been loose for several flights, it may have been arcing a bit. You might want take it apart and clean the terminals really well. -- Jay Good point Jay. 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