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Andrew Scotland
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 Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: GSM and CO codeshare. |
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Anyone ells see todays announcment of daily Liverpool-Newark as a huge
hint that CO will be the US airline that GSM will be codesharing with. |
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Mike
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: GSM and CO codeshare. |
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Andrew Scotland wrote:
| Quote: | Anyone ells see todays announcment of daily Liverpool-Newark as a huge
hint that CO will be the US airline that GSM will be codesharing with.
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I guess we'll know soon enough when the Glasgow flights are announced.
I guess what ever it is won't be surprising as we have all probably
went through most options.
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Iain
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: GSM and CO codeshare. |
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"Mike" <travel.logue (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Andrew Scotland wrote:
Anyone ells see todays announcment of daily Liverpool-Newark as a huge
hint that CO will be the US airline that GSM will be codesharing with.
I guess we'll know soon enough when the Glasgow flights are announced.
I guess what ever it is won't be surprising as we have all probably
went through most options.
Mike
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I think it's certainly not an unreasonable assumption to think CO will be
their codeshare partners given their choice of EWR for the LPL-NYC flights.
I would have thought that daily LPL-EWR could struggle a wee bit if it had
to rely on point-to-point traffic alone and CO would be the natural
codeshare option to provide connections at EWR. Then again, maybe with the
loco fares and tourist profile of LPL they might be able to do OK without
connections.
If it is CO it's a bit funny they haven't announced the codeshare at the
same time - i.e. "GSM launch LPL-EWR with connecting opportunities all over
N. America provided by our codeshare partner, CO" would've been better than
just announcing NY flights themselves.
Interesting repercussions for Scotland also if they are tying up with CO.
Will it just be copoeration on LPL-EWR, or will they seek to cooperate at
GLA and EDI as well? Perhaps GSM might take over the operation of one or
both of CO's Scottish routes (although given current loads and frequency and
the likely market stimulation with lower fares, they'd probably need to use
a 767). If there is a tie-up, it might not be good news for further
Scotland-US routes with GSM, as CO would surely want pax routed through EWR
as part of the deal. Could of course work the other way, with US pax routing
to Europe through GLA on GSM flights. |
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Mike
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: GSM and CO codeshare. |
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Iain wrote:
| Quote: | "Mike" <travel.logue (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1152022458.790264.131770 (AT) b68g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com...
Andrew Scotland wrote:
Anyone ells see todays announcment of daily Liverpool-Newark as a huge
hint that CO will be the US airline that GSM will be codesharing with.
I guess we'll know soon enough when the Glasgow flights are announced.
I guess what ever it is won't be surprising as we have all probably
went through most options.
Mike
I think it's certainly not an unreasonable assumption to think CO will be
their codeshare partners given their choice of EWR for the LPL-NYC flights.
I would have thought that daily LPL-EWR could struggle a wee bit if it had
to rely on point-to-point traffic alone and CO would be the natural
codeshare option to provide connections at EWR. Then again, maybe with the
loco fares and tourist profile of LPL they might be able to do OK without
connections.
If it is CO it's a bit funny they haven't announced the codeshare at the
same time - i.e. "GSM launch LPL-EWR with connecting opportunities all over
N. America provided by our codeshare partner, CO" would've been better than
just announcing NY flights themselves.
Interesting repercussions for Scotland also if they are tying up with CO.
Will it just be copoeration on LPL-EWR, or will they seek to cooperate at
GLA and EDI as well? Perhaps GSM might take over the operation of one or
both of CO's Scottish routes (although given current loads and frequency and
the likely market stimulation with lower fares, they'd probably need to use
a 767). If there is a tie-up, it might not be good news for further
Scotland-US routes with GSM, as CO would surely want pax routed through EWR
as part of the deal. Could of course work the other way, with US pax routing
to Europe through GLA on GSM flights.
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If the partner is a US carrier I was expecting one who did not already
fly into Glasgow or Scotland at present. However the flight to EWR from
LPL maybe a pointer, that said it may well be the case that they
couldn't/can't get slots into JFK. On the other hand NWA have a good
number of flights in/out of EWR probably second to Continental.
Check out EWR arrivals at
http://tracker.flightview.com/htNYNJPA/default.asp?customer=NYNJPA&mode=ARRIVALS&airport=EWR
Mike |
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Iain
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: GSM and CO codeshare. |
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"Mike" <travel.logue (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1152032355.174785.103330 (AT) l70g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | If the partner is a US carrier I was expecting one who did not already
fly into Glasgow or Scotland at present.
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So did I, but the EWR pointer just seems too strong!
| Quote: | However the flight to EWR from LPL maybe a pointer, that said it may well
be the case that they couldn't/can't get >slots into JFK. On the other hand |
NWA have a good number of flights in/out of EWR probably second to
Perhaps NW could still fit - I guess a loco route from LPL to MSP or DTW
would maybe be pushing it a bit, so they've gone for EWR. However, I still
think CO are looking likely after todays announcement. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:34 pm Post subject: Re: GSM and CO codeshare. |
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Iain wrote:
| Quote: | "Mike" <travel.logue (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1152032355.174785.103330 (AT) l70g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com...
If the partner is a US carrier I was expecting one who did not already
fly into Glasgow or Scotland at present.
So did I, but the EWR pointer just seems too strong!
However the flight to EWR from LPL maybe a pointer, that said it may well
be the case that they couldn't/can't get >slots into JFK. On the other hand
NWA have a good number of flights in/out of EWR probably second to
Continental...
Mike
Perhaps NW could still fit - I guess a loco route from LPL to MSP or DTW
would maybe be pushing it a bit, so they've gone for EWR. However, I still
think CO are looking likely after todays announcement.
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I need some help in understanding why on earth Goliath would want to
give David a hand! While I can see that GSM would benefit tremendously
from an official tie-in with a major US airline, what can GSM offer in
return? Doesn't it have to work both ways? Or am I missing something
obvious here? (In which case aoplogies for time-wasting...).
Cheers!
BrianN |
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Andrew Scotland
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: GSM and CO codeshare. |
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bri...@nipissingu.ca wrote:
| Quote: | Iain wrote:
"Mike" <travel.logue (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1152032355.174785.103330 (AT) l70g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com...
If the partner is a US carrier I was expecting one who did not already
fly into Glasgow or Scotland at present.
So did I, but the EWR pointer just seems too strong!
However the flight to EWR from LPL maybe a pointer, that said it may well
be the case that they couldn't/can't get >slots into JFK. On the other hand
NWA have a good number of flights in/out of EWR probably second to
Continental...
Mike
Perhaps NW could still fit - I guess a loco route from LPL to MSP or DTW
would maybe be pushing it a bit, so they've gone for EWR. However, I still
think CO are looking likely after todays announcement.
I need some help in understanding why on earth Goliath would want to
give David a hand! While I can see that GSM would benefit tremendously
from an official tie-in with a major US airline, what can GSM offer in
return? Doesn't it have to work both ways? Or am I missing something
obvious here? (In which case aoplogies for time-wasting...).
Cheers!
BrianN
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Well in Scotland anyways FlyGlobespan are very well know, far better
known than Continental are so they will provide more publicity and
bookings for the GLA-EWR route. Don't know how well GSM are known in
Liverpool but they must be doing some advertising so this will generate
more traffic on CO's domestic services. |
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Mike
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: GSM and CO codeshare. |
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| Quote: | I need some help in understanding why on earth Goliath would want to
give David a hand! While I can see that GSM would benefit tremendously
from an official tie-in with a major US airline, what can GSM offer in
return? Doesn't it have to work both ways? Or am I missing something
obvious here? (In which case aoplogies for time-wasting...).
Cheers!
BrianN
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Brian
Your comments seem very logical. Personally I don't see any US airline
already serving Scotland being a partner. I thought NWA. They would
then pick up potential passengers from an increasing GSM network with
no risk to themselves and at the expense of their other US competitors.
CO, AA, US and DL. In the past NWA had a strong presence in Scotland.
Their alliance with KLM put an end to this. With the choice of flights
to US from Scotland they must be losing connecting paxs.
Maybe we will see a Canadian partner, this might make a lot of sense
with the recent open skies agreement between UK and Canada allowing
onward flights to US and vice versa. Zoom, Air Transat would definitely
have an interest on what GSM do with regards to Canadian flights.
By the way we'll be heading your way on the 14th, wedding in Guelph.
Mike |
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Iain
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:57 am Post subject: Re: GSM and CO codeshare. |
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"Mike" <travel.logue (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1152039311.178846.79350 (AT) m79g2000cwm (DOT) googlegroups.com...
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I need some help in understanding why on earth Goliath would want to
give David a hand! While I can see that GSM would benefit tremendously
from an official tie-in with a major US airline, what can GSM offer in
return? Doesn't it have to work both ways? Or am I missing something
obvious here? (In which case aoplogies for time-wasting...).
Cheers!
BrianN
Brian
Your comments seem very logical. Personally I don't see any US airline
already serving Scotland being a partner.
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If CO tie up with GSM they can continue to feed Scots pax (and LPL ones!)
onto their network at EWR and use the aircraft released to offer more
services from other European airports? If any major US airline is tied up
with GSM they would surely hold all the aces and hence would drive a hard
bargain with GSM, so maybe they can gain from it. However, I do agree with
the question about what the exact benefits available to the US airline are -
I guess we will have to wait and see.
I thought NWA. They would
| Quote: | then pick up potential passengers from an increasing GSM network with
no risk to themselves and at the expense of their other US competitors.
CO, AA, US and DL. In the past NWA had a strong presence in Scotland.
Their alliance with KLM put an end to this. With the choice of flights
to US from Scotland they must be losing connecting paxs.
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Quite likely, but KL might not be chuffed about using the connecting pax
from GLA-AMS if NW went direct. I suppose it's all very complicated in the
world of airline alliances.
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Maybe we will see a Canadian partner, this might make a lot of sense
with the recent open skies agreement between UK and Canada allowing
onward flights to US and vice versa. Zoom, Air Transat would definitely
have an interest on what GSM do with regards to Canadian flights.
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Transat certainly will, their relationship with the globespan group. I think
this makes GSM taking over Canadian flights a bit more difficult and
long-term than some people here suggest. If GSM take over just like that
then that surely that leaves TSC with a lot of aircraft and not much to do
with them. I would have thought perhaps globespan might have some kind of
fixed-term charter contract with TSC?
A Zoom tie-up could certainly ease the white-hot competition to Canada, bur
would it be good for the customer?!? |
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GLAGAZ
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:05 am Post subject: Re: GSM and CO codeshare. |
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Iain wrote:
| Quote: | "Mike" <travel.logue (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1152039311.178846.79350 (AT) m79g2000cwm (DOT) googlegroups.com...
I need some help in understanding why on earth Goliath would want to
give David a hand! While I can see that GSM would benefit tremendously
from an official tie-in with a major US airline, what can GSM offer in
return? Doesn't it have to work both ways? Or am I missing something
obvious here? (In which case aoplogies for time-wasting...).
Cheers!
BrianN
Brian
Your comments seem very logical. Personally I don't see any US airline
already serving Scotland being a partner.
If CO tie up with GSM they can continue to feed Scots pax (and LPL ones!)
onto their network at EWR and use the aircraft released to offer more
services from other European airports? If any major US airline is tied up
with GSM they would surely hold all the aces and hence would drive a hard
bargain with GSM, so maybe they can gain from it. However, I do agree with
the question about what the exact benefits available to the US airline are -
I guess we will have to wait and see.
I thought NWA. They would
then pick up potential passengers from an increasing GSM network with
no risk to themselves and at the expense of their other US competitors.
CO, AA, US and DL. In the past NWA had a strong presence in Scotland.
Their alliance with KLM put an end to this. With the choice of flights
to US from Scotland they must be losing connecting paxs.
Quite likely, but KL might not be chuffed about using the connecting pax
from GLA-AMS if NW went direct. I suppose it's all very complicated in the
world of airline alliances.
Maybe we will see a Canadian partner, this might make a lot of sense
with the recent open skies agreement between UK and Canada allowing
onward flights to US and vice versa. Zoom, Air Transat would definitely
have an interest on what GSM do with regards to Canadian flights.
Transat certainly will, their relationship with the globespan group. I think
this makes GSM taking over Canadian flights a bit more difficult and
long-term than some people here suggest. If GSM take over just like that
then that surely that leaves TSC with a lot of aircraft and not much to do
with them. I would have thought perhaps globespan might have some kind of
fixed-term charter contract with TSC?
A Zoom tie-up could certainly ease the white-hot competition to Canada, bur
would it be good for the customer?!?
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Or about about joining SkyTeam?  NW, DL and CO.....Would be good lol.
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:12 am Post subject: Re: GSM and CO codeshare. |
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"Iain" <iain1978 (AT) nospamtiscali (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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Maybe we will see a Canadian partner, this might make a lot of sense
with the recent open skies agreement between UK and Canada allowing
onward flights to US and vice versa. Zoom, Air Transat would definitely
have an interest on what GSM do with regards to Canadian flights.
Transat certainly will, their relationship with the globespan group. I
think
this makes GSM taking over Canadian flights a bit more difficult and
long-term than some people here suggest.
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Yes, I thought the 757's might be used to cover low frequency Globepsan
Canadian flights from various UK airports but this news indicates otherwise.
I don't see a tie-up happening with any US airline. With the LPL-EWR service
they will have seen a gap in the market and will be going it alone,
concentrating on point to point traffic - and making a lot of money out of
short breaks in the Big Apple.
Clive |
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Mike
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:14 am Post subject: Re: GSM and CO codeshare. |
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| Quote: | A Zoom tie-up could certainly ease the white-hot competition to Canada, bur
would it be good for the customer?!?
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Air Transat would quickly have to find a UK partner. For example a
large UK high street travel agent. It isn't going to be Thomas Cook but
a tie up with Thomsons maybe mutually advantageous.
Mike |
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Andrew Scotland
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:41 am Post subject: Re: GSM and CO codeshare. |
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Mike wrote:
| Quote: | A Zoom tie-up could certainly ease the white-hot competition to Canada, bur
would it be good for the customer?!?
Air Transat would quickly have to find a UK partner. For example a
large UK high street travel agent. It isn't going to be Thomas Cook but
a tie up with Thomsons maybe mutually advantageous.
Mike
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I cant see Thomson or MyTravel etc teaming up with TS, as neither
really do enough in Canada to suport the capacity of TS flights that
currently operate for Globespan. |
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Mike
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: Re: GSM and CO codeshare. |
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| Quote: | I cant see Thomson or MyTravel etc teaming up with TS, as neither
really do enough in Canada to suport the capacity of TS flights that
currently operate for Globespan.
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Think Mytravel Airways operate flights already to Toronto, Calgary and
Vancouver.
However you are spot on with Thomsons with regard to their Canadian
market share. Hence it would be potentially worth partnering the likes
of Air Transat. Anyway its all hypothetical ramblings at this stage.
Mike |
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Iain
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:57 am Post subject: Re: GSM and CO codeshare. |
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"Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Iain" <iain1978 (AT) nospamtiscali (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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Maybe we will see a Canadian partner, this might make a lot of sense
with the recent open skies agreement between UK and Canada allowing
onward flights to US and vice versa. Zoom, Air Transat would definitely
have an interest on what GSM do with regards to Canadian flights.
Transat certainly will, their relationship with the globespan group. I
think
this makes GSM taking over Canadian flights a bit more difficult and
long-term than some people here suggest.
Yes, I thought the 757's might be used to cover low frequency Globepsan
Canadian flights from various UK airports but this news indicates
otherwise.
I don't see a tie-up happening with any US airline. With the LPL-EWR
service
they will have seen a gap in the market and will be going it alone,
concentrating on point to point traffic - and making a lot of money out of
short breaks in the Big Apple.
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I'm not convinced there will be enough traffic for a purely point-to-point
service, especially with plenty competition down the road at MAN in CO, BA
(and I think DL) who all fly at least daily non-stop to NYC. I think they
will need a partner to provide connections, but then again I think they
would have announced that at the same time if they were going to announce
it, so I guess we shall have to wait and see! |
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