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Paul
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 Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:25 am Post subject: GPS AND MAP |
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Hello ,
Recently I bought a PILATUS PC12 ,with the GPS KLN90B.
Is it possible to exchange the GPS against a GARMIN 500 and a MAP ,
as in standard Aircrafts of FS9.
Thanks in advance
Paul |
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Jim Macklin
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:30 am Post subject: Re: GPS AND MAP |
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Exchanges are the realm of the seller. But any avionics can
be retro-fitted if you have the budget.
"Paul" <fraca (AT) skynet (DOT) be> wrote in message
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| Hello ,
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| Recently I bought a PILATUS PC12 ,with the GPS KLN90B.
| Is it possible to exchange the GPS against a GARMIN 500
and a MAP ,
| as in standard Aircrafts of FS9.
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| Thanks in advance
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Doug
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:49 am Post subject: Re: GPS AND MAP |
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Dont discount the KLN90B. It will get you into all the approaches that
the 530 will. |
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Barney Rubble
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: GPS AND MAP |
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Yeah, but this guy just bought a PC-12, so money no object, let's have a
couple of 480's....
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| Quote: | Dont discount the KLN90B. It will get you into all the approaches that
the 530 will.
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paul k. sanchez
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:38 am Post subject: Re: GPS AND MAP |
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Doug wrote:
| Quote: | Dont discount the KLN90B. It will get you into all the approaches that
the 530 will.
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Really? Including VOR/localizer approaches? |
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Mark Hansen
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:51 am Post subject: Re: GPS AND MAP |
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On 09/11/06 14:38, paul k. sanchez wrote:
| Quote: | Doug wrote:
Dont discount the KLN90B. It will get you into all the approaches that
the 530 will.
Really? Including VOR/localizer approaches?
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Will the 530 allow you to fly a non-GPS overlay VOR/Loc approach
using the GPS? The 430 doesn't. It says something to the effect
that it can be used as a situational awareness tool only. Same as
the KLN94B, IIRC.
Of course, if the approach has a GPS overlay, then you can fly
the GPS overlay (again, using the GPS) but in that case, you're
not flying the underlying VOR/Loc approach.
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Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA |
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Frank Ch. Eigler
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: GPS AND MAP |
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Mark Hansen wrote:
| Quote: | Will the 530 allow you to fly a non-GPS overlay VOR/Loc approach
using the GPS? The 430 doesn't. It says something to the effect
that it can be used as a situational awareness tool only. [...]
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That's only for GPS-based navigation. Flip the 430 or 530's CDI
switch to VLOC, tune in the NAV portion, and enjoy the approach.
- FChE |
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Mark Hansen
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: GPS AND MAP |
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On 09/12/06 07:43, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
| Quote: | Mark Hansen wrote:
Will the 530 allow you to fly a non-GPS overlay VOR/Loc approach
using the GPS? The 430 doesn't. It says something to the effect
that it can be used as a situational awareness tool only. [...]
That's only for GPS-based navigation. Flip the 430 or 530's CDI
switch to VLOC, tune in the NAV portion, and enjoy the approach.
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That's what I mean by "Using the GPS". When you switch to VLOC,
you're using the VOR/Localizer, not the GPS.
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Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA |
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Thomas Borchert
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: GPS AND MAP |
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Mark,
| Quote: | That's what I mean by "Using the GPS".
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What do you expect? It's a "non-GPS"-Approach. Also, check the FARs for
which navaids you can legally substitute by GPS in enroute and approach
situations.
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Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Mark Hansen
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: GPS AND MAP |
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On 09/12/06 08:34, Thomas Borchert wrote:
| Quote: | Mark,
That's what I mean by "Using the GPS".
What do you expect? It's a "non-GPS"-Approach. Also, check the FARs for
which navaids you can legally substitute by GPS in enroute and approach
situations.
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That's exactly what I expect. I was trying to point this out.
If you look back in the thread, Doug said:
"Dont discount the LNK90B. It will get you into all the approaches
the 530 will."
to which Paul said:
"Really? Including VOR/localizer approaches?"
So I was trying to explain that when either GPS is in GPS mode,
you can fly a GPS overlay approach, but the box can only be used
for situational awareness for the VOR/localizer approaches (not
to fly the actual approach).
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Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA |
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Thomas Borchert
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: GPS AND MAP |
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Mark,
| Quote: | That's exactly what I expect. I was trying to point this out.
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IC.
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Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Frank Ch. Eigler
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: GPS AND MAP |
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Mark Hansen wrote:
| Quote: | Will the 530 allow you to fly a non-GPS overlay VOR/Loc approach
using the GPS? The 430 doesn't. [...]
That's only for GPS-based navigation. Flip the 430 or 530's CDI
switch to VLOC, tune in the NAV portion, and enjoy the approach.
That's what I mean by "Using the GPS". When you switch to VLOC,
you're using the VOR/Localizer, not the GPS.
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Then I don't see why you're splitting this hair. An integrated
GPS/nav box like the 430 will let one do the approach either using
official VOR/LOC data, or with unofficial "situational awareness" GPS
data. It is silly to denigrate these units with "doesn't ... allow",
when they are strictly more capable than a GPS-only navigator.
- FChE |
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Mark Hansen
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: GPS AND MAP |
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On 09/12/06 09:07, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
| Quote: | Mark Hansen wrote:
Will the 530 allow you to fly a non-GPS overlay VOR/Loc approach
using the GPS? The 430 doesn't. [...]
That's only for GPS-based navigation. Flip the 430 or 530's CDI
switch to VLOC, tune in the NAV portion, and enjoy the approach.
That's what I mean by "Using the GPS". When you switch to VLOC,
you're using the VOR/Localizer, not the GPS.
Then I don't see why you're splitting this hair. An integrated
GPS/nav box like the 430 will let one do the approach either using
official VOR/LOC data, or with unofficial "situational awareness" GPS
data. It is silly to denigrate these units with "doesn't ... allow",
when they are strictly more capable than a GPS-only navigator.
- FChE
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Because the instrument pilot needs to know whether he's using the
box in GPS mode or non-GPS mode. This is an important distinction.
For example, the regulations regarding the approach are different
(as in different minimums, etc.), the way the unit responds to
navigation signals is different, etc.
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Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA |
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Kai Glaesner
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: GPS AND MAP |
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Taking into account that the OP was talking about a PC12 in
FlightSimulator 9, this thread turned out quite professional.... ;-)
Best Regards
Kai |
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