AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Goodbye, AvMap...          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Owning Airplanes View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Jay Honeck Guest Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:59 pm    Post subject: Goodbye, AvMap... Well, we've now flown behind the Garmin 496 for 10 weeks, and around 20 flights, and we've decided that -- despite having an awful screen and a slow processor -- we'll keep it. The fantastic benefits of having on-board weather simply outweigh the painful truth that the 496 represents a bad compromise in an aviation GPS display. We thought about keeping our favorite GPS -- the AvMap EKP-IIIC Gold -- on the copilot's yoke, but we've already got the Lowrance 2000c planted there. The 2000c represents the best value in GPS today, with a screen nearly as large as the AvMap's, at a fraction of the price. It's also current technology and a current model, which means that it will be supported (I hope!) by Lowrance for a while longer. Thus, sadly, we've decided to sell the AvMap. If only those stupid bastards at AvMap had come out with XM weather, like they promised at OSH '05, we'd have kept the unit forever. It is still hand's down, head & shoulders the finest moving map display I've seen in a portable GPS -- it's a far better display than either the 2000c or the 496 -- and we hate to part with it. Buy I've simply got no use for it, now. It's on Ebay right now. See it here, if you're interested: http://makeashorterlink.com/?W186264FD -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" Back to top Ross Richardson Guest Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:02 am    Post subject: Re: Goodbye, AvMap... Jay Honeck wrote: Quote: Well, we've now flown behind the Garmin 496 for 10 weeks, and around 20 flights, and we've decided that -- despite having an awful screen and a slow processor -- we'll keep it. The fantastic benefits of having on-board weather simply outweigh the painful truth that the 496 represents a bad compromise in an aviation GPS display. We thought about keeping our favorite GPS -- the AvMap EKP-IIIC Gold -- on the copilot's yoke, but we've already got the Lowrance 2000c planted there. The 2000c represents the best value in GPS today, with a screen nearly as large as the AvMap's, at a fraction of the price. It's also current technology and a current model, which means that it will be supported (I hope!) by Lowrance for a while longer. Thus, sadly, we've decided to sell the AvMap. If only those stupid bastards at AvMap had come out with XM weather, like they promised at OSH '05, we'd have kept the unit forever. It is still hand's down, head & shoulders the finest moving map display I've seen in a portable GPS -- it's a far better display than either the 2000c or the 496 -- and we hate to part with it. Buy I've simply got no use for it, now. It's on Ebay right now. See it here, if you're interested: http://makeashorterlink.com/?W186264FD -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" What do you think the reoccuring cost for the 496 is going to be to keep the weather, database, etc? -- Regards, Ross C-172F 180HP KSWI Back to top Dave Butler Guest Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:07 am    Post subject: Re: Goodbye, AvMap... Ross Richardson wrote: Quote: What do you think the reoccuring cost for the 496 is going to be to keep the weather, database, etc? Google for my contribution to the thread "Garmin 396 vs 496" just a few days ago. Dave Back to top Jay Honeck Guest Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:13 am    Post subject: Re: Goodbye, AvMap... Quote: What do you think the reoccuring cost for the 496 is going to be to keep the weather, database, etc? $50 per month for weather, unless we downgrade to the $30/month version over the winter. We'll probably update the other databases at OSH every year. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" Back to top Mike Spera Guest Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:02 am    Post subject: Re: Goodbye, AvMap... Jay still commenting about the slow slew rate of his new Garmin 496: Quote: Skew...cursor disappears....screen goes blank...count to 3....cursor reappears....screen reappears....cursor disappears....screen disappears...count to 3...ad nauseum... The 396 is about the same. I don't believe the faster refresh rate of the 496 makes this any better. The faster refresh appears to be mainly limited to the updates of the rotation of the map as you turn and the faster response of the little airplane in the turn coordinator on the panel page. Scrolling and slewing around appear to be about the same (delay) in both units. However, I tried them at different times. If anyone has both models in the same place at the same time to test please report back to the group if there is a significant difference. I will say that I only get the blank screen and wait when I move the cursor initially just a little. After I have the redrawn screen, I can slide around that screen without any more blanking provided I stay on that screen. Once I slide off the screen it goes into the blank out mode again. Jay, is that what yours does? Mike Back to top Peter Guest Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Goodbye, AvMap... Thomas Borchert <borchert_thomas (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: have been trying hard to establish the 396 v 496 difference, for European use where there is no airborne weather. Unfortunately none of the vendors I spoke to seems to know anything about it (they aren't pilots, for a start). Didn't we speak about this extensively? You didn't give the impression that you were still lacking any information. If so, ask away. You are right, Tom; I just didn't look at the 396. From your other post, it appears irrelevant to Europe anyway. I am still undecided between the 496 and the Avmap EKP IV though. 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