AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Glider specific transponder codes          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Sailplanes View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Bob Caldwell Guest Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Glider specific transponder codes Hi Pilots, =20 If any Minden area pilots are familiar with the procedures followed to secure your glider specific XPDR code please contact me. I would like to see a similar specific code for the Front Range of the Rockies. I haven't a clue where to start the process. =20 Also any other XPDR equipped pilots here in the Rocky Mountain area please weigh in on the subject. =20 Thanks, fly safe, =20 Bob Caldwell Back to top Frank Whiteley Guest Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: Glider specific transponder codes Bob Caldwell wrote: Quote: Hi Pilots, =20 If any Minden area pilots are familiar with the procedures followed to secure your glider specific XPDR code please contact me. I would like to see a similar specific code for the Front Range of the Rockies. I haven't a clue where to start the process. =20 Also any other XPDR equipped pilots here in the Rocky Mountain area please weigh in on the subject. =20 Thanks, fly safe, =20 Bob Caldwell I heard someone from Boulder was working on this. I'll see what I can find out. Frank Whiteley Back to top Frank Whiteley Guest Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:33 am    Post subject: Re: Glider specific transponder codes 5Z wrote: Quote: On Dec 27, 8:34 pm, Bob Caldwell Also any other XPDR equipped pilots here in the Rocky Mountain area please weigh in on the subject. You may want to get a month's worth of OLC flight logs and plot them all together to show where we fly and why it would be beneficial for them to see us. -Tom Good suggestions all. Right now Phil Ecklund is point person on this. Like to keep it that way unless he defers to someone else. A quick search of the RAS postings WRT Reno over the years seems to indicate that 0440 is only applicable within 25 miles of Reno, or has it been extended in cooperation with Oakland ARTCC? Someone comment on the boundaries? Very best regards, Frank Whiteley Back to top Jeremy Zawodny Guest Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: Glider specific transponder codes Frank Whiteley wrote: Quote: 5Z wrote: On Dec 27, 8:34 pm, Bob Caldwell Also any other XPDR equipped pilots here in the Rocky Mountain area please weigh in on the subject. You may want to get a month's worth of OLC flight logs and plot them all together to show where we fly and why it would be beneficial for them to see us. -Tom Good suggestions all. Right now Phil Ecklund is point person on this. Like to keep it that way unless he defers to someone else. A quick search of the RAS postings WRT Reno over the years seems to indicate that 0440 is only applicable within 25 miles of Reno, or has it been extended in cooperation with Oakland ARTCC? Someone comment on the boundaries? That poses an interesting problem. I cannot change transponder codes in flight in my ship. So when it's based at Truckee, Air Sailing, or Minden I set it on the ground to 0440 and don't change it back to 1200 until I bring it "home" to Hollister. If I fly a significant distance from the Reno area (which I get a little better at each season), does that cause a problem? In a sense, 0440 is my "assigned" code, though not explicitly assigned (and not discretely to me). But what if I'm 300 miles away? If an authority doesn't try to assign a new one to me (I'd have to say "unable" if they did), is that legit? Hmm. Personally, I'd rather have the transponder powered on and using a reasonable code than powered off because I left the Reno area and couldn't change it in flight. Jeremy Jeremy Back to top Eric Greenwell Guest Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: Glider specific transponder codes Jeremy Zawodny wrote: Quote: I cannot change transponder codes in flight in my ship. So when it's based at Truckee, Air Sailing, or Minden I set it on the ground to 0440 and don't change it back to 1200 until I bring it "home" to Hollister. I've got to know: why can't you change codes in the air? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA * Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly * "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4 * "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org Back to top bumper Guest Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: Glider specific transponder codes "Mike Schumann" <mike-nospam@traditions-nospam.com> wrote in message news:4595b582$0$18608$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com... Quote: Why doesn't the SSA get together with AOPA and the FAA and get this implimented nation wide. This would be a benefit everywhere. Mike Schumann Mike, No offense, but that's really a silly question! (grin) The reason we do not have a single discrete, nation wide transponder code is 'cause that would make too much sense. This is the sort of thing that gets way-laid in bureaucratic red tape forever. Oh, and they will also probably answer that there are not enough transponder codes available as it is, so they can ill afford to assign gliders one (as is done at Reno ATC). I attended the NTSB's Minden meeting after the jet vs. glider mid air. I asked about a single code for gliders and was told it was apparently requested years ago by the SSA. They have also requested an exemption from the "always on" transponder rule for gliders - - no movement on either, that I've heard. I also suggested streamlining the xponder installation and extra battery installation approval requirements for gliders (as they did for shoulder harnesses for classic aircraft over a decade ago). all the best, bumper Back to top Mike Schumann Guest Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: Glider specific transponder codes Why doesn't the SSA get together with AOPA and the FAA and get this implimented nation wide. This would be a benefit everywhere. Mike Schumann <zulusoars (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1167318933.642665.101730 (AT) 48g2000cwx (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: Also any other XPDR equipped pilots here in the Rocky Mountain area please weigh in on the subject. The unique transponder codes made available by Reno Approach Control/Tower, (local ATC folks), have been in use for quite some time. I suspect that Carl Harold knows the history behind it. In order to get something like that going, you will need to get one, preferably all the local clubs in the Denver area together and discuss this with both the Denver Approach Control/tower and the Denver ARTCC located in Longmont CO. Being feds, they are most likely not interested in entering into what is called a "Letter of Agreement", much like the one you have for your wave window. You will need to get help from the folks at Reno Approach who helped set all this up. One of the ways to approach your local ATC types is to SHOW them what has been accomplished in Reno. Just talking about it won't cut it, trust me on this. Before you set up a meeting with them, you will need to have copies of all that has been done in the Reno area along with you. The approach control will have to get the local Air Route Traffic Control Center in Longmont to go along with the program, much the same as Reno Approach did with the Oakland ARTCC. I think the tact you will have to take is that the camel already has it's nose under the tent, so you ATC might as well let the rest of it in. Good luck. Zulu -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Back to top Jeremy Zawodny Guest Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: Glider specific transponder codes Eric Greenwell wrote: Quote: Jeremy Zawodny wrote: I cannot change transponder codes in flight in my ship. So when it's based at Truckee, Air Sailing, or Minden I set it on the ground to 0440 and don't change it back to 1200 until I bring it "home" to Hollister. I've got to know: why can't you change codes in the air? Because there's no room in the panel to expose the transponder controls. The transponder lives behind the panel of my 304C, so I can change the code only by removing the canopy. My 304C has the instrument panel designed for taller pilots, with deeper leg cutouts and less room for instruments. Here's a shot: http://flickr.com/photos/jzawodn/34233620/ It was either that or *not* install a transponder at all. Since I fly most of the summer in the Reno area, I opted for having one. Well, that's not entirely true. I could have spent hundreds of dollars to re-instrument my panel the way I'd really like, but I'm not ready to go quite that far yet. But, hey, I do have an ident button. :-) Jeremy Back to top Eric Greenwell Guest Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: Glider specific transponder codes Jeremy Zawodny wrote: Quote: Eric Greenwell wrote: I've got to know: why can't you change codes in the air? Because there's no room in the panel to expose the transponder controls. The transponder lives behind the panel of my 304C, so I can change the code only by removing the canopy. My 304C has the instrument panel designed for taller pilots, with deeper leg cutouts and less room for instruments. Here's a shot: http://flickr.com/photos/jzawodn/34233620/ It was either that or *not* install a transponder at all. Since I fly most of the summer in the Reno area, I opted for having one. Well, that's not entirely true. I could have spent hundreds of dollars to re-instrument my panel the way I'd really like, but I'm not ready to go quite that far yet. Yeah, you have plenty of space for another instrument, but it has to be gathered up into one corner. You've probably thought of this: if it's a Becker, you just need some way of pushing the VFR1 (set for 1200) and VFR2 (set for 0440) buttons remotely to allow switching. A plastic model airplane pushrod might do the job. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA * Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly * "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4 * "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org Back to top Jeremy Zawodny Guest Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: Glider specific transponder codes Eric Greenwell wrote: Quote: Jeremy Zawodny wrote: Eric Greenwell wrote: I've got to know: why can't you change codes in the air? Because there's no room in the panel to expose the transponder controls. The transponder lives behind the panel of my 304C, so I can change the code only by removing the canopy. My 304C has the instrument panel designed for taller pilots, with deeper leg cutouts and less room for instruments. Here's a shot: http://flickr.com/photos/jzawodn/34233620/ It was either that or *not* install a transponder at all. Since I fly most of the summer in the Reno area, I opted for having one. Well, that's not entirely true. I could have spent hundreds of dollars to re-instrument my panel the way I'd really like, but I'm not ready to go quite that far yet. Yeah, you have plenty of space for another instrument, but it has to be gathered up into one corner. Right. It can be done, but not without a lot of moving things around, cutting, and so on. I figure that in a few more years I'll convince myself that it's worth it. But so far I haven't. I've toyed with the idea of removing the LX-5000 (freeing up two large holes) and dropping in a B400 and using the empty hole for a small transponder. I use a PDA and backup handheld GPS anyway, to the LX-5000 is really overkill. I mainly use it only as a logger and vario. Others have tried to convince me that a 302 is the way to go. In any case, it's money I'm not sure I need to spend at this point. Quote: You've probably thought of this: if it's a Becker, you just need some way of pushing the VFR1 (set for 1200) and VFR2 (set for 0440) buttons remotely to allow switching. A plastic model airplane pushrod might do the job. Actually, it's a Garmin GTX 320 that I got one heck of a deal on. It's not the most power efficient thing for a glider, but I've got dual 12aH batteries on board... 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