AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Glasgow Airport View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Fly gla Guest Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:50 pm    Post subject: Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 Post here what you think this years growth rate will be for Glasgow. Things to look out for. No Air Canada Reduction in Canadian flights. Loss of a New York flight in the summer. No SN Prague reduced No CSA. Fly globespan Stansted flights look light being cut. Bmi baby back from Prestwick PIA 2x weekly Emirates 777-300 Flyglobespan expansion Daily Orlando. Air Berlin Thats just some of the things going on but I think Glasgow will grow between 1.5% and 2.5%. Fairly slow but without massive expansion from an airline its not going to be much more. Also does anyone think Jet2 might come to Glasgow as they currently serve EDI. Back to top Andrew Scotland Guest Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 Jet2 could open a "base" at GLA or PIK. Growth rate at GLA for 2006: 1.5% if we are lucky and no doubt at least 1 month will see a drop in numbers. Get BAA out. Back to top GLAGAZ Guest Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 Andrew Scotland wrote: Quote: Jet2 could open a "base" at GLA or PIK. Growth rate at GLA for 2006: 1.5% if we are lucky and no doubt at least 1 month will see a drop in numbers. Get BAA out. Get BAA out? Who do you propose replaces them? Gaz Back to top Fly gla Guest Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 Its funny everyday new routes seem to be launched from every airport in the UK but not from Glasgow. But one thing that will probably be certain is the cargo groth will be negative. For example December was 8% down even with the intro of the 777-300. But whereas aviation is booming in the UK Glasgow seems to be bucking the trend. For examply even Gatwick which is filled to capacity grew 5.5%. Thats 1.5 million passangers whereas Glasgow only added 300,000. The other problem is that slow growth struggle to attract airlines as it isnt very attractive. Look at the fastest growing airports getting lots of new routes. And without BAA getting off their backsides nothing is going to happen. Plus why is BAA spending £200 million on Glasgow anyway. Where is it going more shops as there isnt going to be the growth to require new facilities. For example the Old Hanger getting demolished for new stands. What is the point in this. TO make the airfield look emptier. How many times do you pass the airfield and the International pier is practically empty. Especially in winter. They seem to put planes on the remote stands now just to use them. Back to top sothwest Guest Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 Thats just some of the things going on but I think Glasgow will grow between 1.5% and 2.5%. Fairly slow but without massive expansion from an airline its not going to be much more. Also does anyone think Jet2 might come to Glasgow as they currently serve EDI. Lets not forget that a large slice of Gla business over the years has been the charter market. A market that is reducing at this time in a reasonably large amount. So any increase in the new routes will have to offset the reductions in the charter market before any increase is acheived. I have to be truthfull and say I have no idea as to whether they will even acheive an increase this year. Not even appointed a new boss yet, there is something wrong here I don't know what but i am beginning to despair. Up Up and away for Edi, Abz, and Pik plus many other regional Airports in the UK. All Gla seems to be getting is bad news. Southwest Back to top GKirk Guest Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 sothwest wrote: Quote: Thats just some of the things going on but I think Glasgow will grow between 1.5% and 2.5%. Fairly slow but without massive expansion from an airline its not going to be much more. Also does anyone think Jet2 might come to Glasgow as they currently serve EDI. Lets not forget that a large slice of Gla business over the years has been the charter market. A market that is reducing at this time in a reasonably large amount. So any increase in the new routes will have to offset the reductions in the charter market before any increase is acheived. I have to be truthfull and say I have no idea as to whether they will even acheive an increase this year. Not even appointed a new boss yet, there is something wrong here I don't know what but i am beginning to despair. Up Up and away for Edi, Abz, and Pik plus many other regional Airports in the UK. All Gla seems to be getting is bad news. Southwest GLA does seem to be focussed too much on charter fligths I would have to say, but, the management can turn things around to start attracting airlines to GLA. Landing fees and charges should be dropped in order to attract the likes of SkyEurope, Centralwings, Air France to Glasgow. The management seem to be afraid to compete with PIK Back to top Andrew Scotland Guest Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 Quote: Who do you propose replaces them? The Manchester Airport Authoroty? Glasgow city council? PIK's owners? And make a GAA (Glasgow Airport Authoroty) Other suggestions? BAA are doing a piss poor job now. Quote: Lets not forget that a large slice of Gla business over the years has been the charter market. Same with LGW, MAN and BHX but they still are recording good growth rate and no reason why GLA could not reach the numbers that MAN does if the right owers etc where in place. We need someone whos main concern is GLA not a company than look after there London airport's first and then a airport that gets illegal subsadies. Interessting to look at it this way. In the summer GLA has more daily non-European destinations than it does daily Euro's. GLA-NYC GLA-YYZ GLA-PHL GLA-ORD GLA-SFB GLA-AMS GLA-CPH This is just piss poor managment there is no excuse for no direct flights to Paris or ANY German city. Give it 10years like this (with BAA in charge very possible) and we could be looking at PIK becoming Glasgow's main airport. Just look Germania a few years ago announced PIK-TXL flights, at that time PIK was there only non main airport served so why did they go for PIK over GLA? this is just one of countles examples where BAA have cocked up big time. Back to top DavidP Guest Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 sothwest wrote: Quote: Thats just some of the things going on but I think Glasgow will grow between 1.5% and 2.5%. Fairly slow but without massive expansion from an airline its not going to be much more. Tend to agree that growth will be in the region of 1.5% to 2.5% with the former being what I would expect and the latter and absolute best case. Also does anyone think Jet2 Quote: might come to Glasgow as they currently serve EDI. No chance of this. Quote: Lets not forget that a large slice of Gla business over the years has been the charter market. A market that is reducing at this time in a reasonably large amount. So any increase in the new routes will have to offset the reductions in the charter market before any increase is acheived. I have to be truthfull and say I have no idea as to whether they will even acheive an increase this year. Not even appointed a new boss yet, there is something wrong here I don't know what but i am beginning to despair. Up Up and away for Edi, Abz, and Pik plus many other regional Airports in the UK. All Gla seems to be getting is bad news. Southwest someone asked who should/could replace BAA. I would love to see infratil or the group that runs the paris airports being allowed a shot. David Back to top GLAGAZ Guest Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 Well, I think it seems pretty obvious from what BAA have said that they intend GLA to be the long haul gateway for Scotland. Yes they say EDI will also get long haul, but from their planning it appears GLA will be the focus airport for long haul. If I were to be as pesemistic as you lot (in some cases I think it is jealousy) I would say, what in the hell was the point in the masterplan? Planning for up to 24mppa. But if I were to believe some of the posts here GLA would struggle to pass 10 million by 2030. There is no doubt that BAA could do a better job in attracting airlines, but I don't see how changing the owner will achieve this. I don't want to use a PIK style, ie piss poor airport when I'm going on a flight. PIK is the major stumbling block for GLA in attracting new airlines, but there is always hope. LH have publically stated they are interested in returning to GLA. EK could go 2x daily. QR could start DOH. GSM will continue to expand in Europe and other continents. Air Berlin have started and will hopefully make some destinations direct in future. PIA could also make their Pakistan flights direct and up the frequency. WW have returned to GLA on the CWL-Glasgow route. I still believe AA will start BOS or JFK in a year or 2. No doubt once more US majors get back on their feet and the 787/A350 come online we will see more thin long haul routes. So shoot me for being optimistic =) Gaz Back to top GKirk Guest Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 GLAGAZ wrote: Quote: Well, I think it seems pretty obvious from what BAA have said that they intend GLA to be the long haul gateway for Scotland. Yes they say EDI will also get long haul, but from their planning it appears GLA will be the focus airport for long haul. If I were to be as pesemistic as you lot (in some cases I think it is jealousy) I would say, what in the hell was the point in the masterplan? Planning for up to 24mppa. But if I were to believe some of the posts here GLA would struggle to pass 10 million by 2030. There is no doubt that BAA could do a better job in attracting airlines, but I don't see how changing the owner will achieve this. I don't want to use a PIK style, ie piss poor airport when I'm going on a flight. PIK is the major stumbling block for GLA in attracting new airlines, but there is always hope. LH have publically stated they are interested in returning to GLA. EK could go 2x daily. QR could start DOH. GSM will continue to expand in Europe and other continents. Air Berlin have started and will hopefully make some destinations direct in future. PIA could also make their Pakistan flights direct and up the frequency. WW have returned to GLA on the CWL-Glasgow route. I still believe AA will start BOS or JFK in a year or 2. No doubt once more US majors get back on their feet and the 787/A350 come online we will see more thin long haul routes. So shoot me for being optimistic =) Gaz Bang Bang! You're dead ;-) Back to top GLAGAZ Guest Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 GKirk wrote: Quote: GLAGAZ wrote: Well, I think it seems pretty obvious from what BAA have said that they intend GLA to be the long haul gateway for Scotland. Yes they say EDI will also get long haul, but from their planning it appears GLA will be the focus airport for long haul. If I were to be as pesemistic as you lot (in some cases I think it is jealousy) I would say, what in the hell was the point in the masterplan? Planning for up to 24mppa. But if I were to believe some of the posts here GLA would struggle to pass 10 million by 2030. There is no doubt that BAA could do a better job in attracting airlines, but I don't see how changing the owner will achieve this. I don't want to use a PIK style, ie piss poor airport when I'm going on a flight. PIK is the major stumbling block for GLA in attracting new airlines, but there is always hope. LH have publically stated they are interested in returning to GLA. EK could go 2x daily. QR could start DOH. GSM will continue to expand in Europe and other continents. Air Berlin have started and will hopefully make some destinations direct in future. PIA could also make their Pakistan flights direct and up the frequency. WW have returned to GLA on the CWL-Glasgow route. I still believe AA will start BOS or JFK in a year or 2. No doubt once more US majors get back on their feet and the 787/A350 come online we will see more thin long haul routes. So shoot me for being optimistic =) Gaz Bang Bang! You're dead Lucky for me it was those rubbery dart type things that 5 year old's fire from fake guns LOL..... Back to top B Guest Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 GLAGAZ wrote: Quote: Well, I think it seems pretty obvious from what BAA have said that they intend GLA to be the long haul gateway for Scotland. Yes they say EDI will also get long haul, but from their planning it appears GLA will be the focus airport for long haul. If I were to be as pesemistic as you lot (in some cases I think it is jealousy) I would say, what in the hell was the point in the masterplan? Planning for up to 24mppa. But if I were to believe some of the posts here GLA would struggle to pass 10 million by 2030. There is no doubt that BAA could do a better job in attracting airlines, but I don't see how changing the owner will achieve this. I don't want to use a PIK style, ie piss poor airport when I'm going on a flight. PIK is the major stumbling block for GLA in attracting new airlines, but there is always hope. LH have publically stated they are interested in returning to GLA. EK could go 2x daily. QR could start DOH. GSM will continue to expand in Europe and other continents. Air Berlin have started and will hopefully make some destinations direct in future. PIA could also make their Pakistan flights direct and up the frequency. WW have returned to GLA on the CWL-Glasgow route. I still believe AA will start BOS or JFK in a year or 2. No doubt once more US majors get back on their feet and the 787/A350 come online we will see more thin long haul routes. So shoot me for being optimistic =) 2 words - 'PIK + RYR' = slow growth at GLA, good for the Scottish consumer, bad for BAA GLA, Solution, dunno. B B Back to top DavidP Guest Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 GLAGAZ wrote: Quote: Well, I think it seems pretty obvious from what BAA have said that they intend GLA to be the long haul gateway for Scotland. Yes they say EDI will also get long haul, but from their planning it appears GLA will be the focus airport for long haul. If I were to be as pesemistic as you lot (in some cases I think it is jealousy) I would say, what in the hell was the point in the masterplan? Planning for up to 24mppa. But if I were to believe some of the posts here GLA would struggle to pass 10 million by 2030. GAZ I struggle with BAA GLA's masterplan. If GLA continues to grow at its current rate, 2.5%, it will only handle 16.5mppa in the year 2030. So why they are planning for 24mppa I dont know as they need to be growing at an annual rate of slightly over 4% to get there and based on there recent track record this just isnt doable. Quote: There is no doubt that BAA could do a better job in attracting airlines, but I don't see how changing the owner will achieve this. I don't want to use a PIK style, ie piss poor airport when I'm going on a flight. PIK is the major stumbling block for GLA in attracting new airlines, but there is always hope. LH have publically stated they are interested in returning to GLA. EK could go 2x daily. QR could start DOH. GSM will continue to expand in Europe and other continents. Air Berlin have started and will hopefully make some destinations direct in future. PIA could also make their Pakistan flights direct and up the frequency. WW have returned to GLA on the CWL-Glasgow route. I still believe AA will start BOS or JFK in a year or 2. No doubt once more US majors get back on their feet and the 787/A350 come online we will see more thin long haul routes. So shoot me for being optimistic =) I aint going to shoot you for being optimistic but do recommend that you be realistic and look to BAA's track record, even if it is only against what they are planning to and what they are currently achieving. Finally PIK will not go away and as long as BAA GLA do nothing about it then GLA will continue to stagnate. David Personally I dont think they believe the master plan either and that is why the will continue to do the absolute minimum at GLA that they can get away with. Quote: Gaz Back to top Clive Braham Guest Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 "GLAGAZ" <spazgaz (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Well, I think it seems pretty obvious from what BAA have said that they intend GLA to be the long haul gateway for Scotland. Yes they say EDI will also get long haul, but from their planning it appears GLA will be the focus airport for long haul. If I were to be as pesemistic as you lot (in some cases I think it is jealousy) I would say, what in the hell was the point in the masterplan? Planning for up to 24mppa. But if I were to believe some of the posts here GLA would struggle to pass 10 million by 2030. There is no doubt that BAA could do a better job in attracting airlines, but I don't see how changing the owner will achieve this. I don't want to use a PIK style, ie piss poor airport when I'm going on a flight. PIK is the major stumbling block for GLA in attracting new airlines, but there is always hope. LH have publically stated they are interested in returning to GLA. EK could go 2x daily. QR could start DOH. GSM will continue to expand in Europe and other continents. Air Berlin have started and will hopefully make some destinations direct in future. PIA could also make their Pakistan flights direct and up the frequency. WW have returned to GLA on the CWL-Glasgow route. I still believe AA will start BOS or JFK in a year or 2. No doubt once more US majors get back on their feet and the 787/A350 come online we will see more thin long haul routes. So shoot me for being optimistic =) Gaz No, I tend to agree. OK it's a bit of a lean spell right now but the industry we are concerned with evolves over a longer term. There is no reason in the world for folks to think GLA has stopped growing terminally. Yes, other smaller airports have grown at a bigger % recently but some of us have explained a number of times that it's easy for a tiny airport to show a massive % rise. The masterplan only calls for an average annual growth rate of about 4% over the next 25 years. Air travel in general is set to double in the next 20 years and GLA will pick up it's share naturally, not day by day but longer term. Those who can't see past the present day's picture should try to be more realistic, and optimistic. Things can and do change. STN no longer produces double figures and PIK is more settled than previously. As potential new lo-co routes become saturated from certain airports they will start reaching a bit of a plateaux, at least compared to their boom time figures. We now see SOU and ABZ appearing to be 'top performers' amongst BAA airports for the time being but it doesn't mean either have more air services or pax than GLA, LHR or EDI. I'll concede that I wish BAA GLA could do more to attract more direct services but there is no magic solution that any other operator could impliment. They still wouldn't have a say in the growth patterns at other UK airports which our correspondents are so hung up on. Going by their arguements LHR is positively stagnating but a bit of realism is called for IMO. Clive Back to top DavidP Guest Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Growth Rate, 2006 Clive, You always use the extremes either the very small or very large airports. Thats why I talk about its peers and compared to them it is performing poorly, and below the 4% number called for by the master plan with no solution in site as to remedy the sub par growth. 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