AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Glasgow Airport View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Darren Guest Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:45 pm    Post subject: Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures Hi everyone I'm new to this group, but the first thing I would like to add, is that all this petty fighting between Glasgow and Edinburgh, on whatever level needs to stop. Otherwise both airports, Glasgow and Edinburgh will be left trailing. The reason for writing this is because I was looking at the airliners.com web site earlier, more specifically, photos of Manchester airports terminal two. Glasgow off course has just opened its own terminal two, but some how I doubt it will ever look this impressive. Have a look at the pictures and see what you think. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/602667/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/526604/L/ I was wondering, am I the only one that thinks Glasgow seriously needs to start looking at developing the International part of its name, its all very well opening terminal two to cater for the low cost carriers, but surely Glasgow has to be developing a dual strategy to continue to attract international carriers. After all, the international pier must be nearing capacity, especially in the morning peak. Why doesn't the airport develop the gate's 1 to 4 pier, add additional gates, say 8 or 10 and move more domestic services to this pier from the present domestic pier. This would in turn free up space at the domestic pier, which could then be redeveloped, and effectively spilt in two once side for international flights, and the other side for domestic. A switchback from the international lounge could be added to deliver passengers to the newly separated international/domestic pier. This I think could add at least 5 new international gates, whilst adding at least 4 new domestic gates. Maybe the return financial return from so much investment wouldn't justify it, or maybe these ideas are not technically possible, but I think they are worth consideration, after all it would mean minimal building work, therefore could be accomplished using presently available, and under-utilised space. Please feel free to comment. Darren Back to top Callum Johnstone Guest Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures "Darren" <dmacle2179 (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I was wondering, am I the only one that thinks Glasgow seriously needs to start looking at developing the International part of its name, its all very well opening terminal two to cater for the low cost carriers, but surely Glasgow has to be developing a dual strategy to continue to attract international carriers. After all, the international pier must be nearing capacity, especially in the morning peak. Great post, Darren! My view is that Glasgow Airport needs to concentrate on the scheduled European side of things. Attracting carriers such as Air France, Lufthansa, Iberia, SAS etc. would be the best thing that could happen to Glasgow right now. Yes, the new inter-continental routes are great, and much appreciated, but I think it's time for BAA Glasgow to concentrate on some of the key unserved destinations in Europe - Paris, Frankfurt, Brussels, Madrid, Stockholm etc. I'm quite confident there is room enough for the Ryanair flights at Prestwick AND the traditional carriers at Glasgow and Edinburgh. Back to top Joe Curry Guest Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures The message <32818d6.0406210845.28bf8a97 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com> from [email]dmacle2179 (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (Darren) contains these words: Quote: Please feel free to comment. I'm awaiting confirmation that everyone agrees with Andrew Crawford and returns to their own newsgroup. You are at least trying to keep on GLA topic... -- Back to top Joe Curry Guest Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures The message <OmEBc.108830$wd7.73142 (AT) front-1 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk> from "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> contains these words: Quote: Great post, Darren! My view is that Glasgow Airport needs to concentrate on the scheduled European side of things. Attracting carriers such as Air France, Lufthansa, Iberia, SAS etc. would be the best thing that could happen to Glasgow right now. GLA is not categorised by BAA for European flights... they will welcome locos to compete with PIK, hence T2... hence the special discounts... Back to top Andrew Crawford Guest Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures In article <2004062119163766937 (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk>, Joe Curry says... Quote: I'm awaiting confirmation that everyone agrees with Andrew Crawford and returns to their own newsgroup. Joe, I feel you may be stretching what I said a little :) It certainly isn't my opinion that you should "leave" aaug. You are a knowledgable and informative contributer when you are not having your well-known buttons prodded. Andrew -- Andrew Crawford Email: acrawford <at> ieee . org Note: sender verification in use. Back to top BLIMPS Guest Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures "Joe Curry" <ability (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: The message <OmEBc.108830$wd7.73142 (AT) front-1 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk from "Callum Johnstone" these words: Great post, Darren! My view is that Glasgow Airport needs to concentrate on the scheduled European side of things. Attracting carriers such as Air France, Lufthansa, Iberia, SAS etc. would be the best thing that could happen to Glasgow right now. GLA is not categorised by BAA for European flights... they will welcome locos to compete with PIK, hence T2... hence the special discounts... "GLA is not categorised by BAA for European flights." KLM, ICE, KM and all the FlyGlobespan and Air Scotland flights which are I believe operating on a scheduled basis http://www.baa.com/main/airports/glasgow/glasgow_flight_time_table_frame.html would suggest otherwise. And it's excellent indeed that you have finally acknowledged the "PIK Effect" and the 'harm' it is doing to your rivals pax count. BLIMPS Back to top Joe Curry Guest Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures The message <cb7am2030n5 (AT) drn (DOT) newsguy.com> from Andrew Crawford <check_signature (AT) 127 (DOT) 0.0.1> contains these words: Quote: I'm awaiting confirmation that everyone agrees with Andrew Crawford and returns to their own newsgroup. Quote: I feel you may be stretching what I said a little :) It certainly isn't my opinion that you should "leave" aaug. You are a knowledgable and informative contributer when you are not having your well-known buttons prodded. You are missing the point Andrew, I don't want to be here, I have no interest in this newsgroup but the 'invitation from Blimpie was too strong... BTW.. he states his PEACE OFF offer still stands... bangs goes your appeal... ? Back to top Joe Curry Guest Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures The message <cb7bh3$s7g$1 (AT) hercules (DOT) btinternet.com> from "BLIMPS" <BLIMPS (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> contains these words: Quote: GLA is not categorised by BAA for European flights... they will welcome locos to compete with PIK, hence T2... hence the special discounts... And it's excellent indeed that you have finally acknowledged the "PIK Effect" and the 'harm' it is doing to your rivals pax count. I acknowledged no such thing.... I will acknowledge that you are destroying two good newsgroups with your anti-edinburgh agenda... -- www.edinburghairport.org.uk Edinburgh Scotland International Scotland's most convenient/accessible/profitable airport Check the aircraft images: http://www.egph.net Back to top BLIMPS Guest Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures "Joe Curry" <ability (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: The message <cb7bh3$s7g$1 (AT) hercules (DOT) btinternet.com from "BLIMPS" GLA is not categorised by BAA for European flights... they will welcome locos to compete with PIK, hence T2... hence the special discounts... And it's excellent indeed that you have finally acknowledged the "PIK Effect" and the 'harm' it is doing to your rivals pax count. I acknowledged no such thing.... I will acknowledge that you are destroying two good newsgroups with your anti-edinburgh agenda... Your opinion, anyone else? BLIMPS Back to top Jim Mason Guest Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures In article <cb7gq0$g3o$1 (AT) sparta (DOT) btinternet.com>, [email]BLIMPS (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com[/email] says... Quote: "Joe Curry" <ability (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:2004062120550066937 (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk... The message <cb7bh3$s7g$1 (AT) hercules (DOT) btinternet.com from "BLIMPS" GLA is not categorised by BAA for European flights... they will welcome locos to compete with PIK, hence T2... hence the special discounts... And it's excellent indeed that you have finally acknowledged the "PIK Effect" and the 'harm' it is doing to your rivals pax count. I acknowledged no such thing.... I will acknowledge that you are destroying two good newsgroups with your anti-edinburgh agenda... Your opinion, anyone else? The man is under the influence of something? Jim -- Remove `spamtrapped` to reply off-list http://jim-mason.fotopic.net Back to top BLIMPS Guest Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures "Jim Mason" <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: In article <cb7gq0$g3o$1 (AT) sparta (DOT) btinternet.com>, [email]BLIMPS (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com[/email] says... "Joe Curry" <ability (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:2004062120550066937 (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk... The message <cb7bh3$s7g$1 (AT) hercules (DOT) btinternet.com from "BLIMPS" GLA is not categorised by BAA for European flights... they will welcome locos to compete with PIK, hence T2... hence the special discounts... And it's excellent indeed that you have finally acknowledged the "PIK Effect" and the 'harm' it is doing to your rivals pax count. I acknowledged no such thing.... I will acknowledge that you are destroying two good newsgroups with your anti-edinburgh agenda... Your opinion, anyone else? The man is under the influence of something? A good thread started by a more than welcome newcomer totally ruined when this unsubstantiated unwelcome guff was posted - "GLA is not categorised by BAA for European flights... they will welcome locos to compete with PIK, hence T2... hence the special discounts..." BLIMPS Back to top Jim Mason Guest Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures In article <cb7hvc$9ts$1 (AT) titan (DOT) btinternet.com>, [email]BLIMPS (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com[/email] says... Quote: "Jim Mason" <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:MPG.1b4159dcdd9d67e09898f5 (AT) News (DOT) Individual.NET... In article <cb7gq0$g3o$1 (AT) sparta (DOT) btinternet.com>, [email]BLIMPS (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com[/email] says... "Joe Curry" <ability (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:2004062120550066937 (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk... The message <cb7bh3$s7g$1 (AT) hercules (DOT) btinternet.com from "BLIMPS" GLA is not categorised by BAA for European flights... they will welcome locos to compete with PIK, hence T2... hence the special discounts... And it's excellent indeed that you have finally acknowledged the "PIK Effect" and the 'harm' it is doing to your rivals pax count. I acknowledged no such thing.... I will acknowledge that you are destroying two good newsgroups with your anti-edinburgh agenda... Your opinion, anyone else? The man is under the influence of something? A good thread started by a more than welcome newcomer totally ruined when this unsubstantiated unwelcome guff was posted - Substitute your favourite Joe Curry anti-west coast phrase or theory. Jim -- Remove `spamtrapped` to reply off-list http://jim-mason.fotopic.net Back to top BLIMPS Guest Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures "Darren" <dmacle2179 (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Hi everyone I'm new to this group, but the first thing I would like to add, is that all this petty fighting between Glasgow and Edinburgh, on whatever level needs to stop. Otherwise both airports, Glasgow and Edinburgh will be left trailing. The reason for writing this is because I was looking at the airliners.com web site earlier, more specifically, photos of Manchester airports terminal two. Glasgow off course has just opened its own terminal two, but some how I doubt it will ever look this impressive. Have a look at the pictures and see what you think. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/602667/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/526604/L/ Mr MANchester will be along shortly.. Quote: I was wondering, am I the only one that thinks Glasgow seriously needs to start looking at developing the International part of its name, its all very well opening terminal two to cater for the low cost carriers, but surely Glasgow has to be developing a dual strategy to continue to attract international carriers. After all, the international pier must be nearing capacity, especially in the morning peak. Seeing it's Scotland's busiest International Airport I don't know but new services to CDG or ORY, and possibly FRA and BRU would be more than welcome, I mean how come an airport with I think it was 4 daily flights to BRU suddenly has none? And yes the new International Pier is heaving quite a bit of the time but it must be busting between 10am & 12 noon with pax for the 3 scheduled US flights and the ACA YYZ flight in addition to the numerous wide body charters to various points around the globe. Quote: Why doesn't the airport develop the gate's 1 to 4 pier, add additional gates, say 8 or 10 and move more domestic services to this pier from the present domestic pier. This would in turn free up space at the domestic pier, which could then be redeveloped, and effectively spilt in two once side for international flights, and the other side for domestic. A switchback from the international lounge could be added to deliver passengers to the newly separated international/domestic pier. This I think could add at least 5 new international gates, whilst adding at least 4 new domestic gates. Some of the domestic services are indeed operated from the old "International Pier" with pax bussed to and from the terminal but it's a good suggestion, unfortunately the old pier has a very distinct 60's feel to it and I think personally they, the BAA, will demolish it before they spend any more money on it. Quote: Maybe the return financial return from so much investment wouldn't justify it, or maybe these ideas are not technically possible, but I think they are worth consideration, after all it would mean minimal building work, therefore could be accomplished using presently available, and under-utilised space. Remember there are new Stands being constructed to the west of the Tower and north of the main taxyway, these are badly needed but I think BAA boobed myself by not demolishing the BRAL hangar and extending the new International Pier westward which was the original plan. Quote: Please feel free to comment. Thanks ;-) BLIMPS Back to top Jim Mason Guest Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures In article <cb7iti$c6t$1 (AT) titan (DOT) btinternet.com>, [email]BLIMPS (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com[/email] says... Quote: "Darren" <dmacle2179 (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote in message news:32818d6.0406210845.28bf8a97 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com... Hi everyone I'm new to this group, but the first thing I would like to add, is that all this petty fighting between Glasgow and Edinburgh, on whatever level needs to stop. Otherwise both airports, Glasgow and Edinburgh will be left trailing. The reason for writing this is because I was looking at the airliners.com web site earlier, more specifically, photos of Manchester airports terminal two. Glasgow off course has just opened its own terminal two, but some how I doubt it will ever look this impressive. Have a look at the pictures and see what you think. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/602667/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/526604/L/ I may be missing something but the links take me to pictures of aircraft with NO pictures of any terminal. GLA has indeed looked this impressive especially on the day of the Champions League final. T2 at Glasgow looks nothing like the photographs of aircraft linked. T2 at Glasgow is a disgrace and not even worthy of the low-co's it is meant to serve. Buchanan Street bus station is far more impressive. IMHO Jim -- Remove `spamtrapped` to reply off-list http://jim-mason.fotopic.net Back to top David Kerr Guest Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Glasgow Airport Furture in pictures [email]dmacle2179 (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (Darren) wrote in message news:<32818d6.0406210845.28bf8a97 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>... Glasgow off Quote: course has just opened its own terminal two, but some how I doubt it will ever look this impressive. Have a look at the pictures and see what you think. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/602667/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/526604/L/ Impressive it may well be at 9 or 10 am but the problem we have down here is that T2 goes almost as dead as a dodo after midday! Hence, the encouragemnnt of more services and transferring some airlines from T1 to T2 (KLM being the biggest, but that's more likely to do with their AF tie-up). However, the plan to complete the "symmetry" of it should be moreorless getting under way pretty soon (oh, no sign of the BWIA flights going via PIK or BFS just yet - the 2nd service restarted last weekend). What GLA has to decide is if it should risk spending a lot of money in having a large T2 or wait for new airline(s) to base aircraft - if easyJet start up, it'll be with 3 or fewer aircraft for a while and adding aircraft steadily which would then allow a decision to be made on expanding it based on projected passenger throughput. Are the current widebodied operators happy with the facilities at T1? 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