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Andrew Scotland
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 Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: GLA-LCY |
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Apparently ABZ-LCY is about to be announced 4-5daily. How can EDI,
Dundee and ABZ all support a large number of daily flights to LCY yet
GLA's piss poor managment cant get any LCY flights never mind CDG, FRA
etc?
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Iain
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: GLA-LCY |
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"Andrew Scotland" <andy1l (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote
| Quote: | Apparently ABZ-LCY is about to be announced 4-5daily.
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By which airline?
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Fly gla
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: GLA-LCY |
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Its T3 (Eastern) but its via Newcastle. But it is still complete
amazement that the 3rd largest city in the UK still doesnt even have a
2x daily flight to LCY. Fingers can only be pointed at BAA at this
failure. Even LCY want the route but with out support fom BAA nothing
is going to happen.
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Callum Johnstone
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: GLA-LCY |
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Fly gla wrote:
| Quote: | Its T3 (Eastern) but its via Newcastle. But it is still complete
amazement that the 3rd largest city in the UK still doesnt even have a
2x daily flight to LCY. Fingers can only be pointed at BAA at this
failure. Even LCY want the route but with out support fom BAA nothing
is going to happen.
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I don't think it's altogether fair to pin the blame on BAA. I'm sure
they're as keen as LCY management to get the route covered again. What
we need is an airline with an interest in operating the route. I wonder
if VLM would give it a go? Or perhaps bmi regional - I think they were
rumoured at one point?
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GKirk
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: GLA-LCY |
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Fly gla wrote:
| Quote: | Its T3 (Eastern) but its via Newcastle. But it is still complete
amazement that the 3rd largest city in the UK still doesnt even have a
2x daily flight to LCY. Fingers can only be pointed at BAA at this
failure. Even LCY want the route but with out support fom BAA nothing
is going to happen.
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Change of a/c at NCL.
GLA-LCY has been tried plenty of times in the past, but airlines keep
coming to the same argument when dropping it. The yield is terrible,
and they cannot compete with BA,BD,EZY and FR
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: GLA-LCY |
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"Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote
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Fly gla wrote:
Its T3 (Eastern) but its via Newcastle. But it is still complete
amazement that the 3rd largest city in the UK still doesnt even have a
2x daily flight to LCY. Fingers can only be pointed at BAA at this
failure. Even LCY want the route but with out support fom BAA nothing
is going to happen.
I don't think it's altogether fair to pin the blame on BAA. I'm sure
they're as keen as LCY management to get the route covered again. What
we need is an airline with an interest in operating the route. I wonder
if VLM would give it a go? Or perhaps bmi regional - I think they were
rumoured at one point?
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According to the airline VLM's Fokkers couldn't do the route without payload
restrictions.
However ScotAirways mentioned it as a possibility. Of the few options
available, discounting BA, I think CB would be best suited. Even just twice
a day initially to get it started.
What I do find disturbing is that some choose to have a dig at GLA's
management because T3 venture to advertise connecting services on their
existing ABZ-NCL service with their new LCY-NCL service! Tenuous or what?
Clive
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: GLA-LCY |
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"GKirk" <grahamkirk1983 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
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Fly gla wrote:
Its T3 (Eastern) but its via Newcastle. But it is still complete
amazement that the 3rd largest city in the UK still doesnt even have a
2x daily flight to LCY. Fingers can only be pointed at BAA at this
failure. Even LCY want the route but with out support fom BAA nothing
is going to happen.
Change of a/c at NCL.
GLA-LCY has been tried plenty of times in the past, but airlines keep
coming to the same argument when dropping it. The yield is terrible,
and they cannot compete with BA,BD,EZY and FR
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None of those currently serve GLA-LCY.
Clive
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Callum Johnstone
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: GLA-LCY |
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"Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote
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"GKirk" <grahamkirk1983 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1139257362.544902.177590 (AT) g44g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com...
Fly gla wrote:
Its T3 (Eastern) but its via Newcastle. But it is still complete
amazement that the 3rd largest city in the UK still doesnt even have a
2x daily flight to LCY. Fingers can only be pointed at BAA at this
failure. Even LCY want the route but with out support fom BAA nothing
is going to happen.
Change of a/c at NCL.
GLA-LCY has been tried plenty of times in the past, but airlines keep
coming to the same argument when dropping it. The yield is terrible,
and they cannot compete with BA,BD,EZY and FR
None of those currently serve GLA-LCY.
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That's true. And I do believe there is a distinct market for (specifically)
a GLA-LCY service, because the likes of LHR and LGW can seem like a long way
from your final destination if you have business in the City or the
Docklands. Yes, the business market to LCY may be larger from EDI, but there
*is* definitely still a market from GLA for this destination. It's just a
case of securing an airline for whom the route makes economic sense.
Scotairways know the Scottish market well, and I think they would be well
placed to offer perhaps a 4 x daily service. Let's hope they do what they
intimated they were going to do and look into it.
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Fly gla
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: GLA-LCY |
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Clive Braham wrote:
| Quote: | "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:1139256905.749456.152530 (AT) g43g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com...
Fly gla wrote:
Its T3 (Eastern) but its via Newcastle. But it is still complete
amazement that the 3rd largest city in the UK still doesnt even have a
2x daily flight to LCY. Fingers can only be pointed at BAA at this
failure. Even LCY want the route but with out support fom BAA nothing
is going to happen.
I don't think it's altogether fair to pin the blame on BAA. I'm sure
they're as keen as LCY management to get the route covered again. What
we need is an airline with an interest in operating the route. I wonder
if VLM would give it a go? Or perhaps bmi regional - I think they were
rumoured at one point?
According to the airline VLM's Fokkers couldn't do the route without payload
restrictions.
However ScotAirways mentioned it as a possibility. Of the few options
available, discounting BA, I think CB would be best suited. Even just twice
a day initially to get it started.
What I do find disturbing is that some choose to have a dig at GLA's
management because T3 venture to advertise connecting services on their
existing ABZ-NCL service with their new LCY-NCL service! Tenuous or what?
Clive
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Ok i think I did go a bit overboard by attacking BAA but new routes at
Glasgow that are of "regular frequency and year round" are something of
a rarerity. Anyway no new routes are probably going to be released for
the summer now, so we have between now and autumn to wonder what
"exciting" destinations they'll be for this up and coming winter.
Plus Clive what was the load factor for the GLA-Geneva flights in
december as there were 1500 people but i dont know how many flights
there were.
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: GLA-LCY |
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"Fly gla" <euan.carrick (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote
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What I do find disturbing is that some choose to have a dig at GLA's
management because T3 venture to advertise connecting services on their
existing ABZ-NCL service with their new LCY-NCL service! Tenuous or what?
Clive
Ok i think I did go a bit overboard by attacking BAA but new routes at
Glasgow that are of "regular frequency and year round" are something of
a rarerity. Anyway no new routes are probably going to be released for
the summer now, so we have between now and autumn to wonder what
"exciting" destinations they'll be for this up and coming winter.
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Plenty of time to gather out thoughts...
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Plus Clive what was the load factor for the GLA-Geneva flights in
december as there were 1500 people but i dont know how many flights
there were.
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Well EZY started on 17 Dec and GSM on 24 Dec, both with one 737 flight each
week for the ski season. There is also at Thomson 757 weekly charter flight
which started on 17 December. I haven't a clue as to the load factors.
What's your point?
Clive
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Iain
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: GLA-LCY |
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"Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote
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"Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ds8bv9$qjg$1 (AT) newsg3 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk...
"GKirk" <grahamkirk1983 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1139257362.544902.177590 (AT) g44g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com...
Fly gla wrote:
Its T3 (Eastern) but its via Newcastle. But it is still complete
amazement that the 3rd largest city in the UK still doesnt even have a
2x daily flight to LCY. Fingers can only be pointed at BAA at this
failure. Even LCY want the route but with out support fom BAA nothing
is going to happen.
Change of a/c at NCL.
GLA-LCY has been tried plenty of times in the past, but airlines keep
coming to the same argument when dropping it. The yield is terrible,
and they cannot compete with BA,BD,EZY and FR
None of those currently serve GLA-LCY.
That's true. And I do believe there is a distinct market for
(specifically)
a GLA-LCY service, because the likes of LHR and LGW can seem like a long
way
from your final destination if you have business in the City or the
Docklands.
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With the new DLR link to the airport it may well now be the most convenient
aiport for other parts of London which were previously more accesible from
LHR etc. It vettainly seemed to make the journey to central London quicker
when I flew down in December.
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Iain
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: GLA-LCY |
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"Fly gla" <euan.carrick (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote
| Quote: | Ok i think I did go a bit overboard by attacking BAA but new routes at
Glasgow that are of "regular frequency and year round" are something of
a rarerity. Anyway no new routes are probably going to be released for
the summer now
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I don't think you can say that with such certainty. It may be too late to
announce a new route starting right at the start of the summer timetable,
but there's plenty time to announce routes starting in May or later.
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: GLA-LCY |
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"Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote
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None of those currently serve GLA-LCY.
That's true. And I do believe there is a distinct market for
(specifically) a GLA-LCY service, because the likes of LHR and LGW can
seem like a long way from your final destination if you have business in
the City or the Docklands. Yes, the business market to LCY may be larger
from EDI, but there *is* definitely still a market from GLA for this
destination.
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That's true. I don't think anyone could possibly say otherwise.
An LCY service would be specifically for business travellers between the
Glasgow/West of Scotland area and the City of London/Docklands. The fact
that EDI-LCY will always be a busier route is neither here nor there.
It's just a
| Quote: | case of securing an airline for whom the route makes economic sense.
Scotairways know the Scottish market well, and I think they would be well
placed to offer perhaps a 4 x daily service. Let's hope they do what they
intimated they were going to do and look into it.
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Hope so. If they want to be cautious to begin with, 2 daily on their little
Dorniers couldn't fail. They might even be able to charge a little more than
they do on the LCY-EDI route as there would be no competition for pax
actually wanting to get to/from Canary Wharf and it's environs. The pax I'm
talking about don't want a cheap, non changeable seat to LHR or STN then a
slog across Greater London, if they had the option of a quick in and out of
LCY. If it works from Dundee there will be enough business for it to work
from Glasgow.
Clive
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DavidP
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: GLA-LCY |
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Clive Braham wrote:
| Quote: | "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:tyOFf.273952$D47.218992 (AT) fe3 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk...
None of those currently serve GLA-LCY.
That's true. And I do believe there is a distinct market for
(specifically) a GLA-LCY service, because the likes of LHR and LGW can
seem like a long way from your final destination if you have business in
the City or the Docklands. Yes, the business market to LCY may be larger
from EDI, but there *is* definitely still a market from GLA for this
destination.
That's true. I don't think anyone could possibly say otherwise.
An LCY service would be specifically for business travellers between the
Glasgow/West of Scotland area and the City of London/Docklands. The fact
that EDI-LCY will always be a busier route is neither here nor there.
It's just a
case of securing an airline for whom the route makes economic sense.
Scotairways know the Scottish market well, and I think they would be well
placed to offer perhaps a 4 x daily service. Let's hope they do what they
intimated they were going to do and look into it.
Hope so. If they want to be cautious to begin with, 2 daily on their little
Dorniers couldn't fail. They might even be able to charge a little more than
they do on the LCY-EDI route as there would be no competition for pax
actually wanting to get to/from Canary Wharf and it's environs. The pax I'm
talking about don't want a cheap, non changeable seat to LHR or STN then a
slog across Greater London, if they had the option of a quick in and out of
LCY. If it works from Dundee there will be enough business for it to work
from Glasgow.
Clive
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Given the fact that no airline operates GLA-LCY tends to suggest that
it doesnt make economical sense to do it!
Why would it not make economical sense? Couple of reasons.
There is a lack of passengers willing to pay the going rate to cover
the costs or the costs are too high.
The cost of oil/avgas is pretty much fixed so neither BAA GLA or
Scotairways can do much about this.Im pretty sure most of Scotairways
costs are fixed so dont think there is much flexability so that really
only leaves landing charges..........which is where BAA and the
managers at LCY have to stand up to the bar. Nuff said!
David
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B
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: GLA-LCY |
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DavidP wrote:
| Quote: | Clive Braham wrote:
"Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:tyOFf.273952$D47.218992 (AT) fe3 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk...
None of those currently serve GLA-LCY.
That's true. And I do believe there is a distinct market for
(specifically) a GLA-LCY service, because the likes of LHR and LGW can
seem like a long way from your final destination if you have business in
the City or the Docklands. Yes, the business market to LCY may be larger
from EDI, but there *is* definitely still a market from GLA for this
destination.
That's true. I don't think anyone could possibly say otherwise.
An LCY service would be specifically for business travellers between the
Glasgow/West of Scotland area and the City of London/Docklands. The fact
that EDI-LCY will always be a busier route is neither here nor there.
It's just a
case of securing an airline for whom the route makes economic sense.
Scotairways know the Scottish market well, and I think they would be well
placed to offer perhaps a 4 x daily service. Let's hope they do what they
intimated they were going to do and look into it.
Hope so. If they want to be cautious to begin with, 2 daily on their little
Dorniers couldn't fail. They might even be able to charge a little more than
they do on the LCY-EDI route as there would be no competition for pax
actually wanting to get to/from Canary Wharf and it's environs. The pax I'm
talking about don't want a cheap, non changeable seat to LHR or STN then a
slog across Greater London, if they had the option of a quick in and out of
LCY. If it works from Dundee there will be enough business for it to work
from Glasgow.
Clive
Given the fact that no airline operates GLA-LCY tends to suggest that
it doesnt make economical sense to do it!
Why would it not make economical sense? Couple of reasons.
There is a lack of passengers willing to pay the going rate to cover
the costs or the costs are too high.
The cost of oil/avgas is pretty much fixed so neither BAA GLA or
Scotairways can do much about this.Im pretty sure most of Scotairways
costs are fixed so dont think there is much flexability so that really
only leaves landing charges..........which is where BAA and the
managers at LCY have to stand up to the bar. Nuff said!
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I'm led to believe a certain bank block book seats (and pay for them)
on every EDI-LCY flight even if they don't use them, so, is that a
waste of a seat or a waste of (shareholders) money, or both?
B
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