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Mister Niceguy
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 Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: GLA getting a raw deal from the SE? |
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"GLAGAZ" <spazgaz (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in news:1137776576.741585.9570
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The problem isn't that GLA is losing out, it's that incumbent routes are
losing out to start-ups. Start-ups could be from any airport and airlines
have to decide themselves from which airport they wish to fly. The
question the ET should be asking is why hasn't GLA been attracting the
new routes which EDI for example has been attracting. Of course GLA picked
up Dubai which has been the biggest prize so far.
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DavidP
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: GLA getting a raw deal from the SE? |
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Mister Niceguy wrote:
| Quote: | "GLAGAZ" <spazgaz (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in news:1137776576.741585.9570
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http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5048106.html
Gaz
The problem isn't that GLA is losing out, it's that incumbent routes are
losing out to start-ups. Start-ups could be from any airport and airlines
have to decide themselves from which airport they wish to fly. The
question the ET should be asking is why hasn't GLA been attracting the
new routes which EDI for example has been attracting. Of course GLA picked
up Dubai which has been the biggest prize so far.
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I must admit I find it a bit of a cheek that a privately run business
expects a governmental body to help it out.
BAA GLA want the routes then they have to put something on the table.
David
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Jim Mason
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: GLA getting a raw deal from the SE? |
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In article <1137784083.364126.84860 (AT) f14g2000cwb (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
[email]dperston (AT) rim (DOT) com[/email] says...
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Mister Niceguy wrote:
"GLAGAZ" <spazgaz (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in news:1137776576.741585.9570
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5048106.html
Gaz
The problem isn't that GLA is losing out, it's that incumbent routes are
losing out to start-ups. Start-ups could be from any airport and airlines
have to decide themselves from which airport they wish to fly. The
question the ET should be asking is why hasn't GLA been attracting the
new routes which EDI for example has been attracting. Of course GLA picked
up Dubai which has been the biggest prize so far.
I must admit I find it a bit of a cheek that a privately run business
expects a governmental body to help it out.
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To be fair David - it is a group of MPs who are complaining - NOT BAA.
| Quote: | BAA GLA want the routes then they have to put something on the table.
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Maybe they have and maybe the airlines are opting to fly from where THEY
want to fly from - like Emirates?
Jim
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: GLA getting a raw deal from the SE? |
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"Jim Mason" <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote
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To be fair David - it is a group of MPs who are complaining - NOT BAA.
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I wonder if some of the thoughts on here on the matter got brought to an
MP's attention ;-)
Result if it did. I think the outcry about SN being denied funding is well
placed and the SE seem well able to move the goalposts when it suits them.
Questions do need to be asked. Presumably LH wouldn't get a bean if they
were interested in FRA-GLA because FR fly from PIK-HNH? Similary AF CDG-GLA
because FR fly PIK-BVA. That's a joke - neither of those 2 continental
airfields are of any use to those travelling on business between
Paris/Frankfurt and Glasgow and the west of Scotland. Nor do they offer
onward/inward connections worldwide with 2 of the biggest airlines in Europe
which would benefit us further. The fund (from tax payers money) is meant to
be all about furthering business opportunities and inbound tourism by
stimulating more direct air links. It's not meant to be about lining MOL's
pockets and stifling any chance of new links to Scotland's busiest airport.
Clive
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GKirk
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: GLA getting a raw deal from the SE? |
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Jim Mason wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1137784083.364126.84860 (AT) f14g2000cwb (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
[email]dperston (AT) rim (DOT) com[/email] says...
Mister Niceguy wrote:
"GLAGAZ" <spazgaz (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in news:1137776576.741585.9570
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5048106.html
Gaz
The problem isn't that GLA is losing out, it's that incumbent routes are
losing out to start-ups. Start-ups could be from any airport and airlines
have to decide themselves from which airport they wish to fly. The
question the ET should be asking is why hasn't GLA been attracting the
new routes which EDI for example has been attracting. Of course GLA picked
up Dubai which has been the biggest prize so far.
I must admit I find it a bit of a cheek that a privately run business
expects a governmental body to help it out.
To be fair David - it is a group of MPs who are complaining - NOT BAA.
BAA GLA want the routes then they have to put something on the table.
Maybe they have and maybe the airlines are opting to fly from where THEY
want to fly from - like Emirates?
Jim
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The airlines will fly from where they want to. Emirates from GLA, Delta
from EDI.
These "GLA" excuses against the SE are boring and a load of crap
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Andrew Scotland
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: GLA getting a raw deal from the SE? |
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GKirk wrote:
| Quote: | Jim Mason wrote:
In article <1137784083.364126.84860 (AT) f14g2000cwb (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
[email]dperston (AT) rim (DOT) com[/email] says...
Mister Niceguy wrote:
"GLAGAZ" <spazgaz (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in news:1137776576.741585.9570
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5048106.html
Gaz
The problem isn't that GLA is losing out, it's that incumbent routes are
losing out to start-ups. Start-ups could be from any airport and airlines
have to decide themselves from which airport they wish to fly. The
question the ET should be asking is why hasn't GLA been attracting the
new routes which EDI for example has been attracting. Of course GLA picked
up Dubai which has been the biggest prize so far.
I must admit I find it a bit of a cheek that a privately run business
expects a governmental body to help it out.
To be fair David - it is a group of MPs who are complaining - NOT BAA.
BAA GLA want the routes then they have to put something on the table.
Maybe they have and maybe the airlines are opting to fly from where THEY
want to fly from - like Emirates?
Jim
The airlines will fly from where they want to. Emirates from GLA, Delta
from EDI.
These "GLA" excuses against the SE are boring and a load of crap
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Yes the airlines make the choice but the SE encurage them to make a
certain choice, and thats not GLA.
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: GLA getting a raw deal from the SE? |
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"GKirk" <grahamkirk1983 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
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The airlines will fly from where they want to. Emirates from GLA, Delta
from EDI.
These "GLA" excuses against the SE are boring and a load of crap
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See my thoughts on the situation in this thread (and I'm not talking about
anything to do with EDI in my appraisal of the situation because I know the
airlines decide where they want to fly). How can my examples about FR, SN,
LH, AF, etc be justified from the economic and business stimulous the fund
is meant to be? If I am right, the fund is acting as a deterrent rather than
a catalyst.
Clive
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Mister Niceguy
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: GLA getting a raw deal from the SE? |
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"DavidP" <dperston (AT) rim (DOT) com> wrote in
news:1137784083.364126.84860 (AT) f14g2000cwb (DOT) googlegroups.com:
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Mister Niceguy wrote:
"GLAGAZ" <spazgaz (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in news:1137776576.741585.9570
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5048106.html
Gaz
The problem isn't that GLA is losing out, it's that incumbent routes
are losing out to start-ups. Start-ups could be from any airport and
airlines have to decide themselves from which airport they wish to
fly. The question the ET should be asking is why hasn't GLA been
attracting the new routes which EDI for example has been attracting.
Of course GLA picked up Dubai which has been the biggest prize so
far.
I must admit I find it a bit of a cheek that a privately run business
expects a governmental body to help it out.
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Well, I suppose. But the fund isn't for the benefit of the private
company, it's for the Scottish economy. Seems to have been misconstrued
by the companies you refer to.
| Quote: | BAA GLA want the routes then they have to put something on the table.
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I'm not sure they want the routes particularly. They're profitable
anyway.
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GLAGAZ
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: GLA getting a raw deal from the SE? |
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Clive Braham wrote:
| Quote: | "GKirk" <grahamkirk1983 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1137786836.181553.204400 (AT) o13g2000cwo (DOT) googlegroups.com...
The airlines will fly from where they want to. Emirates from GLA, Delta
from EDI.
These "GLA" excuses against the SE are boring and a load of crap
See my thoughts on the situation in this thread (and I'm not talking about
anything to do with EDI in my appraisal of the situation because I know the
airlines decide where they want to fly). How can my examples about FR, SN,
LH, AF, etc be justified from the economic and business stimulous the fund
is meant to be? If I am right, the fund is acting as a deterrent rather than
a catalyst.
Clive
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Exactly my thoughts. Well said.
Gaz
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Mister Niceguy
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: GLA getting a raw deal from the SE? |
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"Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
news:dqrf25$m0a$1 (AT) newsg3 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk:
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"Jim Mason" <jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e3b46236612a912989762 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net...
To be fair David - it is a group of MPs who are complaining - NOT
BAA.
I wonder if some of the thoughts on here on the matter got brought to
an MP's attention ;-)
Result if it did. I think the outcry about SN being denied funding is
well placed and the SE seem well able to move the goalposts when it
suits them. Questions do need to be asked. Presumably LH wouldn't get
a bean if they were interested in FRA-GLA because FR fly from PIK-HNH?
Similary AF CDG-GLA because FR fly PIK-BVA. That's a joke - neither of
those 2 continental airfields are of any use to those travelling on
business between Paris/Frankfurt and Glasgow and the west of Scotland.
Nor do they offer onward/inward connections worldwide with 2 of the
biggest airlines in Europe which would benefit us further. The fund
(from tax payers money) is meant to be all about furthering business
opportunities and inbound tourism by stimulating more direct air
links. It's not meant to be about lining MOL's pockets and stifling
any chance of new links to Scotland's busiest airport.
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MOL has found out how to play the system. That's what he is good at.
Other airlines have a more piecemeal approach to Scotland and less
of a vested interest.
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Mister Niceguy
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: GLA getting a raw deal from the SE? |
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"Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
news:dqrg07$ri7$1 (AT) news8 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk:
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"GKirk" <grahamkirk1983 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1137786836.181553.204400 (AT) o13g2000cwo (DOT) googlegroups.com...
The airlines will fly from where they want to. Emirates from GLA,
Delta from EDI.
These "GLA" excuses against the SE are boring and a load of crap
See my thoughts on the situation in this thread (and I'm not talking
about anything to do with EDI in my appraisal of the situation because
I know the airlines decide where they want to fly). How can my
examples about FR, SN, LH, AF, etc be justified from the economic and
business stimulous the fund is meant to be? If I am right, the fund is
acting as a deterrent rather than a catalyst.
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What makes you think that the above have applied for and failed
to get funding?
The funding lasts for a limited period only and is intended to establish
new routes. Yes, I also think that the SN flight should have received
funding but we still have to ask ourselves whether the route would
exist once funding had finished. If SN's passengers are mainly leisure
then they will always be competing with Ryanair (as indeed does bmi
at EDI). But if there is sufficient business interest, or in this case
long-haul also, then the route would be viable.
SN started the route without funding and found that it wasn't viable.
That suggests to me that the taxpayer has saved some money.
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Mister Niceguy
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: GLA getting a raw deal from the SE? |
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"GLAGAZ" <spazgaz (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in
news:1137788460.985867.310030 (AT) o13g2000cwo (DOT) googlegroups.com:
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Clive Braham wrote:
"GKirk" <grahamkirk1983 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1137786836.181553.204400 (AT) o13g2000cwo (DOT) googlegroups.com...
The airlines will fly from where they want to. Emirates from GLA,
Delta from EDI.
These "GLA" excuses against the SE are boring and a load of crap
See my thoughts on the situation in this thread (and I'm not talking
about anything to do with EDI in my appraisal of the situation
because I know the airlines decide where they want to fly). How can
my examples about FR, SN, LH, AF, etc be justified from the economic
and business stimulous the fund is meant to be? If I am right, the
fund is acting as a deterrent rather than a catalyst.
Clive
Exactly my thoughts. Well said.
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Can one of you explain the "deterrent" part?
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Jim Mason
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: GLA getting a raw deal from the SE? |
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In article <Xns9751D0165449Bniceguyonzetnet (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>, [email]me (AT) privacy (DOT) net[/email]
says...
| Quote: | "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
news:dqrg07$ri7$1 (AT) news8 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk:
"GKirk" <grahamkirk1983 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1137786836.181553.204400 (AT) o13g2000cwo (DOT) googlegroups.com...
The airlines will fly from where they want to. Emirates from GLA,
Delta from EDI.
These "GLA" excuses against the SE are boring and a load of crap
See my thoughts on the situation in this thread (and I'm not talking
about anything to do with EDI in my appraisal of the situation because
I know the airlines decide where they want to fly). How can my
examples about FR, SN, LH, AF, etc be justified from the economic and
business stimulous the fund is meant to be? If I am right, the fund is
acting as a deterrent rather than a catalyst.
What makes you think that the above have applied for and failed
to get funding?
The funding lasts for a limited period only and is intended to establish
new routes. Yes, I also think that the SN flight should have received
funding but we still have to ask ourselves whether the route would
exist once funding had finished.
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Indeed. And this scrutiny should be applied to EVERY SE RDF application at
whatever airport.
Jim
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GLAGAZ
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: GLA getting a raw deal from the SE? |
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Mister Niceguy wrote:
| Quote: | "GLAGAZ" <spazgaz (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in
news:1137788460.985867.310030 (AT) o13g2000cwo (DOT) googlegroups.com:
Clive Braham wrote:
"GKirk" <grahamkirk1983 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1137786836.181553.204400 (AT) o13g2000cwo (DOT) googlegroups.com...
The airlines will fly from where they want to. Emirates from GLA,
Delta from EDI.
These "GLA" excuses against the SE are boring and a load of crap
See my thoughts on the situation in this thread (and I'm not talking
about anything to do with EDI in my appraisal of the situation
because I know the airlines decide where they want to fly). How can
my examples about FR, SN, LH, AF, etc be justified from the economic
and business stimulous the fund is meant to be? If I am right, the
fund is acting as a deterrent rather than a catalyst.
Clive
Exactly my thoughts. Well said.
Can one of you explain the "deterrent" part?
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The fact that the likes of LH and AF know they will not receive funding
if there were to start GLA services. Hence they will be less interested
in starting the routes, even if they know they could turn in even a
slight profit.
If the rumours of GSM to NYC are true then they also will not get any
funding. So surely the SE should be doing all they can (along with BAA)
to encourage more routes to/from all of Scotland's airports?
Gaz
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