AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  GLA-CPT Update Goto page 1, 2  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Glasgow Airport View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message B Guest Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: GLA-CPT Update Apparently 3 x weekly via MAN from November, B Back to top Iain Guest Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-CPT Update "B" <blimpie (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Apparently 3 x weekly via MAN from November, Sounds OK. I hope it'll be non-stop on the MAN-CPT leg, although I got the impression from the other thread this might be pushing it a bit. If it's 2-stop via MAN and somewhere else GSM might struggle (unless they're very cheap!). I wonder if they'll get RDF? I guess it'll not be year-round, so that's how they'll squirm out of that one. Back to top Clive Braham Guest Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:46 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-CPT Update "B" <blimpie (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Apparently 3 x weekly via MAN from November, B That would make perfect sense otherwise the aircraft would be hanging around MAN a lot of the time. It also allows for 1 weekly GLA-SFB on a Friday - Sat AM if they only have one aircraft which will be GLA based. The weekly schedule for the 767 would be: MON GLA-MAN-CPT TUE CPT-MAN-GLA WED GLA-MAN-CPT THU CPT-MAN-GLA FRI GLA-SFB-GLA (Sat AM) SAT GLA-MAN-CPT SUN CPT-MAN-GLA and no concerns about runway/range restrictions out of GLA. Clive Back to top Mike Guest Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:09 am    Post subject: Re: GLA-CPT Update Clive I was thinking along similar lines to you. However GLA - SFB is still on sale daily for November. I have been checking GMS site for reduction on these flights, none so far. (Incidently. IMHO, GLA - SFB flights are scheduled right through the Hurricane season, probably the worst times to go to Florida) You are assuming that GSM will stick with the one aircraft. I have a feeling this is what will happen. I think CPT is a fantastic destiination for GSM, potentially the Prague of Longhaul. I am surprised CPT has come before Weat coast US destinations and Canada. I don't think Air Transat can continue to compete with Zoom and TCX. CPT is however a very good North Hemisphere winter destination. I don't think the 763-ER is a good choice of aircraft to operate out of GLA or EDI for max range longhaul. If it has GE CF6-80C2B7F or Pratt & Whitney PW4062 engines it would reduce the runway requirements and maybe make it useable for long sectors. ( I don't think GSM aircraft are fitted with the more powerful engines, they have the 2.0 instead of the V6!!) GSM will not get good utilisation out of these aircraft if they fly GLA-MAN-CPT-MAN-GLA. With single drops and good thought put into timings they could have added extra sectors to East coast USA. No chance with a double drop at MAN and GLA. The plane will be left sitting on the tarmac overnight unless it is utilised overnight to European destinations. Questions I have. Will GSM have one longhaul aircraft for Winter 2006? Are there no A330-200 available, are they too large? Are there no 762-ER's available, are they too small? What is the best aircraft available for non stop CPT range from GLA? I would be very interested to hear other peoples thoughts and ideas. MIke Back to top GKirk Guest Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:33 am    Post subject: Re: GLA-CPT Update Mike wrote: Quote: Clive I was thinking along similar lines to you. However GLA - SFB is still on sale daily for November. I have been checking GMS site for reduction on these flights, none so far. (Incidently. IMHO, GLA - SFB flights are scheduled right through the Hurricane season, probably the worst times to go to Florida) You are assuming that GSM will stick with the one aircraft. I have a feeling this is what will happen. I think CPT is a fantastic destiination for GSM, potentially the Prague of Longhaul. I am surprised CPT has come before Weat coast US destinations and Canada. I don't think Air Transat can continue to compete with Zoom and TCX. CPT is however a very good North Hemisphere winter destination. I don't think the 763-ER is a good choice of aircraft to operate out of GLA or EDI for max range longhaul. If it has GE CF6-80C2B7F or Pratt & Whitney PW4062 engines it would reduce the runway requirements and maybe make it useable for long sectors. ( I don't think GSM aircraft are fitted with the more powerful engines, they have the 2.0 instead of the V6!!) GSM will not get good utilisation out of these aircraft if they fly GLA-MAN-CPT-MAN-GLA. With single drops and good thought put into timings they could have added extra sectors to East coast USA. No chance with a double drop at MAN and GLA. The plane will be left sitting on the tarmac overnight unless it is utilised overnight to European destinations. Questions I have. Will GSM have one longhaul aircraft for Winter 2006? Are there no A330-200 available, are they too large? Are there no 762-ER's available, are they too small? What is the best aircraft available for non stop CPT range from GLA? I would be very interested to hear other peoples thoughts and ideas. MIke 0 A330s available Lots of 767s available Back to top Clive Braham Guest Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-CPT Update "Mike" <travel.logue (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Clive I was thinking along similar lines to you. However GLA - SFB is still on sale daily for November. I have been checking GMS site for reduction on these flights, none so far. (Incidently. IMHO, GLA - SFB flights are scheduled right through the Hurricane season, probably the worst times to go to Florida) You are assuming that GSM will stick with the one aircraft. I have a feeling this is what will happen. Yes but we'll be looking out for additional long range aircraft by summer 07 I should think. GSM are already expanding extremely fast and it might be wise to get the first long haul winter off to a start with the one aircraft and build on that thereafter. Quote: I think CPT is a fantastic destiination for GSM, potentially the Prague of Longhaul. I am surprised CPT has come before Weat coast US destinations and Canada. I don't think Air Transat can continue to compete with Zoom and TCX. CPT is however a very good North Hemisphere winter destination. TCX don't go the YVR and YYC. Only Globespan (Air Transat) and Zoom do from GLA. Those flights are always full and far from TS feeling the pinch there is actually room for more IMO. I don't really want GSM to take over the Air Transat flights which Globespan buy seats on as it risks GSM spreading themselves all over the UK instead of concentrating on us! Keep that arrangement as it is and give Scotland some more new direct destinations. I'd fancy GLA-BOS-LAX would be popular and there would be no range issues from our runway. Quote: I don't think the 763-ER is a good choice of aircraft to operate out of GLA or EDI for max range longhaul. If it has GE CF6-80C2B7F or Pratt & Whitney PW4062 engines it would reduce the runway requirements and maybe make it useable for long sectors. ( I don't think GSM aircraft are fitted with the more powerful engines, they have the 2.0 instead of the V6!!) GSM will not get good utilisation out of these aircraft if they fly GLA-MAN-CPT-MAN-GLA. With single drops and good thought put into timings they could have added extra sectors to East coast USA. No chance with a double drop at MAN and GLA. The plane will be left sitting on the tarmac overnight unless it is utilised overnight to European destinations. Only 3 nights a week on the ground at GLA between about 2000 and 1200 according to my calculations. It's all go the rest of the week and remember the crews will be GLA based. No point in termninating the CPT flight at MAN and positioning empty back to GLA when they could be selling South Africa to Scots on the same flights. Quote: Questions I have. Will GSM have one longhaul aircraft for Winter 2006? Are there no A330-200 available, are they too large? Are there no 762-ER's available, are they too small? What is the best aircraft available for non stop CPT range from GLA? I would be very interested to hear other peoples thoughts and ideas. MIke I'm not sure any current aircraft could do GLA-CPT non stop without restrictions. Sharing with MAN is not unusual (Zoom to YVR and YYC for example) and it would solve the runway issue and more than double the market. 'Tis a great idea IMO. Clive Back to top Mike Guest Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-CPT Update Clive Thanks for your reply. I was half pissed when I came in last night, spelling mistakes worse than ever. I don't think it's very fair of GSM to be selling seats on flights they know they are not going to operate. Leasing just one aircraft backs up what Tam Dalrymple said about the high costs of leasing as opposed to buying. With respect to AIr Transat, I was only thinking of YYZ. and not YVR or YYC. I can't see GLA-BOS-LAX being allowed to happen. It is also around 1000 Km added to the direct GLA-LAX. Their choice of the 763-ER reduces their options for operating longhaul from Scotland due to the runway constraints. I would agree that CPT via MAN is a fantastic destination. There must be scope for LAX and SFO on a similar routing but maybe coming direct back to GLA. I think either the A330-200 or a 762-ER would be capable of CPT direct form GLA. However the A330 might be just a bit too hard to fill, 762-ER maybe too small? I'm thinking Daddy bear, Mummy bear and Baby bear here but i'm not sure which one is just right!! Mike Back to top B Guest Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-CPT Update Info re GLA-CPT direct from GSM cabin crew, B Back to top GLAGAZ Guest Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-CPT Update B wrote: Quote: Info re GLA-CPT direct from GSM cabin crew, B So its false info then? :P But seriously, have you ever read that cabincrew website? I thought aaue was bad for BS, but that site is even worse. Gaz Back to top Mike Guest Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-CPT Update Quote: Info re GLA-CPT direct from GSM cabin crew, B Is that GLA-CPT is direct, info coming from cabin crew? Or GLA-CPT info coming direct from cabin crew? I've had a few, I'm just being an arse!! Mike Back to top dagspot Guest Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:45 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-CPT Update Mike wrote: Quote: Info re GLA-CPT direct from GSM cabin crew, B Is that GLA-CPT is direct, info coming from cabin crew? Or GLA-CPT info coming direct from cabin crew? I've had a few, I'm just being an arse!! Mike Cant see GLA-CPT ever being direct either from a operational or pax demand point of view. Double drops all round me feels. Back to top GKirk Guest Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:02 am    Post subject: Re: GLA-CPT Update B wrote: Quote: Info re GLA-CPT direct from GSM cabin crew, B Unfortunately, GLA-CPT cant be done non-stop due runway length. PIK-CPT, however ;-) Back to top Mike Guest Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-CPT Update GSM have an advert in the Sunday Mail today. Includes flights and holidays direct from MAN to CPT. Why advertise flights from MAN in a Scottish Paper if they intend to fly from Scotland? Mike Back to top Mike Guest Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-CPT Update GSM have an advert in the Sunday Mail today. Includes flights and holidays direct from MAN to CPT. Why advertise flights from MAN in a Scottish Paper if they intend to fly from Scotland? Mike Back to top Mike Guest Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-CPT Update Quote: GKirk Unfortunately, GLA-CPT cant be done non-stop due runway length. Not true. You should qualify your statement. Same applies to PIK-CPT. Not possible with a fully loaded B777-300 due to short runway!! Same applies to some B767 variants depending on engine choice. 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