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 Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: GLA - CDG |
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In the year 2000 these were the stats for the Central Scotland airports
to Paris CDG & BVA -
GLA - CDG = 98,465 pax.
PIK - BVA = 117,647 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 216,112 pax.
EDI - CDG = 192,804 pax.
2005 pax -
GLA - CDG = 24,293 pax.
PIK - BVA = 195,266 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 219,559 pax.
EDI - CDG = 166,401 pax.
What's holding back AFR/Cityline/EZY at GLA?
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:52 am Post subject: Re: GLA - CDG |
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B wrote:
| Quote: | In the year 2000 these were the stats for the Central Scotland airports
to Paris CDG & BVA -
GLA - CDG = 98,465 pax.
PIK - BVA = 117,647 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 216,112 pax.
EDI - CDG = 192,804 pax.
2005 pax -
GLA - CDG = 24,293 pax.
PIK - BVA = 195,266 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 219,559 pax.
EDI - CDG = 166,401 pax.
What's holding back AFR/Cityline/EZY at GLA?
B
Has always seemed rather odd IMO |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:01 am Post subject: Re: GLA - CDG |
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dagspot wrote:
| Quote: | B wrote:
In the year 2000 these were the stats for the Central Scotland airports
to Paris CDG & BVA -
GLA - CDG = 98,465 pax.
PIK - BVA = 117,647 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 216,112 pax.
EDI - CDG = 192,804 pax.
2005 pax -
GLA - CDG = 24,293 pax.
PIK - BVA = 195,266 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 219,559 pax.
EDI - CDG = 166,401 pax.
What's holding back AFR/Cityline/EZY at GLA?
B
Has always seemed rather odd IMO
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"What's holding back AFR/Cityline/EZY at GLA? "
A hidden agenda?
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Zippy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:45 am Post subject: Re: GLA - CDG |
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B wrote:
| Quote: | In the year 2000 these were the stats for the Central Scotland airports
to Paris CDG & BVA -
GLA - CDG = 98,465 pax.
PIK - BVA = 117,647 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 216,112 pax.
EDI - CDG = 192,804 pax.
2005 pax -
GLA - CDG = 24,293 pax.
PIK - BVA = 195,266 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 219,559 pax.
EDI - CDG = 166,401 pax.
What's holding back AFR/Cityline/EZY at GLA?
B
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I wonder what the figures are for FRA? |
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GKirk
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:59 am Post subject: Re: GLA - CDG |
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B wrote:
| Quote: | In the year 2000 these were the stats for the Central Scotland airports
to Paris CDG & BVA -
GLA - CDG = 98,465 pax.
PIK - BVA = 117,647 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 216,112 pax.
EDI - CDG = 192,804 pax.
2005 pax -
GLA - CDG = 24,293 pax.
PIK - BVA = 195,266 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 219,559 pax.
EDI - CDG = 166,401 pax.
What's holding back AFR/Cityline/EZY at GLA?
B
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KLM.
They love Glasgow as much as they love Newcastle and BA absolute hate
it....yet they cant stop it |
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: GLA - CDG |
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"GKirk" <grahamkirk1983 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1164758376.668138.261210 (AT) 14g2000cws (DOT) googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | B wrote:
In the year 2000 these were the stats for the Central Scotland airports
to Paris CDG & BVA -
GLA - CDG = 98,465 pax.
PIK - BVA = 117,647 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 216,112 pax.
EDI - CDG = 192,804 pax.
2005 pax -
GLA - CDG = 24,293 pax.
PIK - BVA = 195,266 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 219,559 pax.
EDI - CDG = 166,401 pax.
What's holding back AFR/Cityline/EZY at GLA?
B
KLM.
They love Glasgow as much as they love Newcastle and BA absolute hate
it....yet they cant stop it
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Soon the only option for brainwashed BA loyalty card holders will be via one
of their London airports. That should help the case for AF who could get
more Scots onto their international network at BA's expense.
EZY could take more than half Ryanair's pax in one fell swoop just by flying
GLA-CDG instead of PIK-BVA and encourage more people to make the trip by the
added convenience alone. It's a no brainer and must be the strongest case
that GLA has for a new direct Euro city route with a virtually guaranteed
mass. Berlin works for EZY - there must be 10 times the number of Scots and
French who would use a GLA-Paris service if we had one.
I'm still betting both AF/Cityline and EZY will be on the job soon enough.
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Iain
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: GLA - CDG |
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"Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4t5safF12cpjgU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net...
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"GKirk" <grahamkirk1983 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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B wrote:
In the year 2000 these were the stats for the Central Scotland airports
to Paris CDG & BVA -
GLA - CDG = 98,465 pax.
PIK - BVA = 117,647 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 216,112 pax.
EDI - CDG = 192,804 pax.
2005 pax -
GLA - CDG = 24,293 pax.
PIK - BVA = 195,266 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 219,559 pax.
EDI - CDG = 166,401 pax.
What's holding back AFR/Cityline/EZY at GLA?
B
KLM.
They love Glasgow as much as they love Newcastle and BA absolute hate
it....yet they cant stop it
Soon the only option for brainwashed BA loyalty card holders will be via
one of their London airports. That should help the case for AF who could
get more Scots onto their international network at BA's expense.
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I always think that LH would do particularly well given their star alliance
connections and the amount of people that must have bmi FF membership. I
guess quite afew will have KL as well, so I guess that would help AF.
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EZY could take more than half Ryanair's pax in one fell swoop just by
flying GLA-CDG instead of PIK-BVA and encourage more people to make the
trip by the added convenience alone. It's a no brainer and must be the
strongest case that GLA has for a new direct Euro city route with a
virtually guaranteed mass. Berlin works for EZY - there must be 10 times
the number of Scots and French who would use a GLA-Paris service if we had
one.
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I definately sgree that more Scots will want to travel to Paris, but I
suspect that the numbers wishing to travel inbound would probably be about
equal for the two routes, or maybe even in Berlin's favour.
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I'm still betting both AF/Cityline and EZY will be on the job soon enough.
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We live in hope! |
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Mister Niceguy
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:29 am Post subject: Re: GLA - CDG |
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"B" <blimpie (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote in news:1164751562.503060.301450
@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
| Quote: | In the year 2000 these were the stats for the Central Scotland airports
to Paris CDG & BVA -
GLA - CDG = 98,465 pax.
PIK - BVA = 117,647 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 216,112 pax.
EDI - CDG = 192,804 pax.
2005 pax -
GLA - CDG = 24,293 pax.
PIK - BVA = 195,266 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 219,559 pax.
EDI - CDG = 166,401 pax.
What's holding back AFR/Cityline/EZY at GLA?
B
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Here we go again.
Some of the PIK pax would be from Edinburgh so it's more complex than you
make out. |
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B
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: Re: GLA - CDG |
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On Nov 29, 6:29 pm, Mister Niceguy <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "B" <blim...@btopenworld.com> wrote in news:1164751562.503060.301450
@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
In the year 2000 these were the stats for the Central Scotland airports
to Paris CDG & BVA -
GLA - CDG = 98,465 pax.
PIK - BVA = 117,647 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 216,112 pax.
EDI - CDG = 192,804 pax.
2005 pax -
GLA - CDG = 24,293 pax.
PIK - BVA = 195,266 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 219,559 pax.
EDI - CDG = 166,401 pax.
What's holding back AFR/Cityline/EZY at GLA?
BHere we go again.
Some of the PIK pax would be from Edinburgh so it's more complex than you
make out.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text
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And your point is?
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DavidP
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:04 am Post subject: Re: GLA - CDG |
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B wrote:
| Quote: | In the year 2000 these were the stats for the Central Scotland airports
to Paris CDG & BVA -
GLA - CDG = 98,465 pax.
PIK - BVA = 117,647 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 216,112 pax.
EDI - CDG = 192,804 pax.
2005 pax -
GLA - CDG = 24,293 pax.
PIK - BVA = 195,266 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 219,559 pax.
EDI - CDG = 166,401 pax.
What's holding back AFR/Cityline/EZY at GLA?
B
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I guess the fact that you can fly into EDI makes it easier/better for
AFR/Cityline to maximise yields out of EDI so why rush to GLA. Will it
bring in more profit?
Im back over again in europe next week and will be flying from CDG to
EDI. Why?
a) Dont want to fly via LHR, AMS, BHX,etc ; and
b) we will be in coatbridge so EDI is going to be just as easy to get
there as from GLA.
6 more pax lost to EDI.
In fact so far this year I and my family have flown in and out of EDI
26 times and GLA 6.
Better selection and choice of services out of EDI which is why it
continues to outstrip GLA in terms of pax growth, and why GLA will
continue to stagnate.
If GLA continues at its current rate of growth it will hit the heady
heights of 9,214,000 pax by 2030. So I have to hope BAA have some
suprises up the sleeves that we dont know about.........and based on
slot allocations that doesnt seem likely.
Then again perhaps they are hoping for both Rangers and Celtic to have
good runs in Europe and thus kick start some growth.
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:46 am Post subject: Re: GLA - CDG |
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"DavidP" <dperston (AT) rim (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1164827094.170301.161690 (AT) 16g2000cwy (DOT) googlegroups.com...
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I guess the fact that you can fly into EDI makes it easier/better for
AFR/Cityline to maximise yields out of EDI so why rush to GLA. Will it
bring in more profit?
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I'd imagine it would get more Scots onto their network instead of that of
their rivals. None of us know anything about yields and profits of specific
routes.
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Im back over again in europe next week and will be flying from CDG to
EDI. Why?
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Because Air France can't take you to GLA from Canada without an extra
changeover? If they could would you or would you find another reason to
avoid GLA? Never mind, you'll soon be able to fly direct to GLA with
frequent flights from Hamilton, if that's near where you are.
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If GLA continues at its current rate of growth it will hit the heady
heights of 9,214,000 pax by 2030.
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That's a pessimistic outlook. Why should the figures remain the same as
right now for the next 24 years? Think back to the scene in 1982 and you'll
see that things don't stay the same over the long term in the airline
industry. It's easy to say what you said but totally pointless.
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Then again perhaps they are hoping for both Rangers and Celtic to have
good runs in Europe and thus kick start some growth.
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Well the teams are doing their part :-)
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DavidP
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:01 am Post subject: Re: GLA - CDG |
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Clive Braham wrote:
| Quote: | "DavidP" <dperston (AT) rim (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1164827094.170301.161690 (AT) 16g2000cwy (DOT) googlegroups.com...
I guess the fact that you can fly into EDI makes it easier/better for
AFR/Cityline to maximise yields out of EDI so why rush to GLA. Will it
bring in more profit?
I'd imagine it would get more Scots onto their network instead of that of
their rivals. None of us know anything about yields and profits of specific
routes.
Im back over again in europe next week and will be flying from CDG to
EDI. Why?
Because Air France can't take you to GLA from Canada without an extra
changeover?
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Nope because Im in Paris on business. Cant fly direct to GLA so
choosing my alternative which has more options...EDI
If they could would you or would you find another reason to
If I could have flown CDG to GLA I would have.
Never mind, you'll soon be able to fly direct to GLA with
| Quote: | frequent flights from Hamilton, if that's near where you are.
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Depending on where Im flying from and onto, EDI still appears to offer
more flight connections to/from europe and UK business centres than GLA
and I meaean business centres such as CDG, BRU, FRA, etc. and not
bucket and spade destinations......cant build many blackberries on the
beach no matter how hard I try!
My point is for the business man/woman , who normally is the higher
yielding pax , EDI offers a far better range and frequency of services.
Thats GLA's problem and despite the optimism of many on this group it
isnt changing and if anything continues to worsen. The result , more
pax to EDI and GLA bumbles along.
0.2% growth in the current market conditions is pi$$ poor, God even
Toronto with its mega landing fees is growing more than that.
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If GLA continues at its current rate of growth it will hit the heady
heights of 9,214,000 pax by 2030.
That's a pessimistic outlook. Why should the figures remain the same as
right now for the next 24 years? Think back to the scene in 1982 and you'll
see that things don't stay the same over the long term in the airline
industry. It's easy to say what you said but totally pointless.
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and the scene in 1982 was? Dont see how its pointless......how are BAA
GLA going to stimualte growth. How long have we heard talk of a Paris
service just around the corner. At what point does someone say enough
is enough.
Since the mid 60's GLA's performance relative to EDI has continued to
decline.
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Then again perhaps they are hoping for both Rangers and Celtic to have
good runs in Europe and thus kick start some growth.
Well the teams are doing their part 
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Including the international one.
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:52 am Post subject: Re: GLA - CDG |
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"DavidP" <dperston (AT) rim (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1164830483.765620.128000 (AT) l39g2000cwd (DOT) googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Im back over again in europe next week and will be flying from CDG to
EDI. Why?
Because Air France can't take you to GLA from Canada without an extra
changeover?
Nope because Im in Paris on business. Cant fly direct to GLA so
choosing my alternative which has more options...EDI
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Good man.
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If they could would you or would you find another reason to
avoid GLA?
If I could have flown CDG to GLA I would have.
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Fingers crossed for some developments on that front soon.
| Quote: | EDI still appears to offer
more flight connections to/from europe and UK business centres than GLA
and I meaean business centres such as CDG, BRU, FRA, etc. and not
bucket and spade destinations......cant build many blackberries on the
beach no matter how hard I try!
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Yes, unfortunately GLA is currently missing all those Euro points. I can't
argue with that but it is linked to all the UK business centres.
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My point is for the business man/woman , who normally is the higher
yielding pax , EDI offers a far better range and frequency of services.
Thats GLA's problem and despite the optimism of many on this group it
isnt changing and if anything continues to worsen. The result , more
pax to EDI and GLA bumbles along.
0.2% growth in the current market conditions is pi$$ poor, God even
Toronto with its mega landing fees is growing more than that.
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I just made a new thread if you want a bit of perspective about growth
figures and future predictions.
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If GLA continues at its current rate of growth it will hit the heady
heights of 9,214,000 pax by 2030.
That's a pessimistic outlook. Why should the figures remain the same as
right now for the next 24 years? Think back to the scene in 1982 and
you'll
see that things don't stay the same over the long term in the airline
industry. It's easy to say what you said but totally pointless.
and the scene in 1982 was?
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Much fewer flights, passengers and destinations. Regional Jets, low-cost
airlines and the Boeing 777-300ER hadn't been thought of and we still had
Ford Capri's in the quaint little car park.
Dont see how its pointless......how are BAA
| Quote: | GLA going to stimualte growth. How long have we heard talk of a Paris
service just around the corner. At what point does someone say enough
is enough.
Since the mid 60's GLA's performance relative to EDI has continued to
decline.
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That's incorrect. Yes EDI has boomed in recent years but why shouldn't it?
It was previously drastically underserved from Europe. And why must GLA be
judged by what's happening at EDI specifically? BTW EDI's one time double
figure growth stats have levelled off somewhat, as have PIK's. They were
never going to continue at the same dizzy heights indefinately.
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Mister Niceguy
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:20 am Post subject: Re: GLA - CDG |
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"B" <blimpie (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote in
news:1164825272.096735.46130 (AT) 16g2000cwy (DOT) googlegroups.com:
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On Nov 29, 6:29 pm, Mister Niceguy <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
"B" <blim...@btopenworld.com> wrote in news:1164751562.503060.301450
@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
In the year 2000 these were the stats for the Central Scotland
airports to Paris CDG & BVA -
GLA - CDG = 98,465 pax.
PIK - BVA = 117,647 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 216,112 pax.
EDI - CDG = 192,804 pax.
2005 pax -
GLA - CDG = 24,293 pax.
PIK - BVA = 195,266 pax.
"Glasgow" airport's total = 219,559 pax.
EDI - CDG = 166,401 pax.
What's holding back AFR/Cityline/EZY at GLA?
BHere we go again.
Some of the PIK pax would be from Edinburgh so it's more complex than
you make out.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text
And your point is?
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DavidP
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: Re: GLA - CDG |
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Clive Braham wrote:
| Quote: | "DavidP" <dperston (AT) rim (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1164830483.765620.128000 (AT) l39g2000cwd (DOT) googlegroups.com...
Im back over again in europe next week and will be flying from CDG to
EDI. Why?
Because Air France can't take you to GLA from Canada without an extra
changeover?
Nope because Im in Paris on business. Cant fly direct to GLA so
choosing my alternative which has more options...EDI
Good man.
If they could would you or would you find another reason to
avoid GLA?
If I could have flown CDG to GLA I would have.
Fingers crossed for some developments on that front soon.
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My fingers have been crossed for a long time and Im afraid I cant see
it happening anythime soon.
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EDI still appears to offer
more flight connections to/from europe and UK business centres than GLA
and I meaean business centres such as CDG, BRU, FRA, etc. and not
bucket and spade destinations......cant build many blackberries on the
beach no matter how hard I try!
Yes, unfortunately GLA is currently missing all those Euro points. I can't
argue with that but it is linked to all the UK business centres.
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I have also found that in quite a few cases that EDI has slightly
better frequencies and from my perspective also has some additional
services such as INV and LCY.
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My point is for the business man/woman , who normally is the higher
yielding pax , EDI offers a far better range and frequency of services.
Thats GLA's problem and despite the optimism of many on this group it
isnt changing and if anything continues to worsen. The result , more
pax to EDI and GLA bumbles along.
0.2% growth in the current market conditions is pi$$ poor, God even
Toronto with its mega landing fees is growing more than that.
I just made a new thread if you want a bit of perspective about growth
figures and future predictions.
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If GLA continues at its current rate of growth it will hit the heady
heights of 9,214,000 pax by 2030.
That's a pessimistic outlook. Why should the figures remain the same as
right now for the next 24 years? Think back to the scene in 1982 and
you'll
see that things don't stay the same over the long term in the airline
industry. It's easy to say what you said but totally pointless.
and the scene in 1982 was?
Much fewer flights, passengers and destinations. Regional Jets, low-cost
airlines and the Boeing 777-300ER hadn't been thought of and we still had
Ford Capri's in the quaint little car park.
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and I think GLA was the number 4 airport in the UK by number of
passengers and had a reasonable freight schedule.
Now its number 7 and I forsee it slipping to number 8 in the next year
or so as EDI overtakes it. Question will be, how much longer will it
still be in the top 10. How many freighter services do we have now
......2 FDX sheds?
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Dont see how its pointless......how are BAA
GLA going to stimualte growth. How long have we heard talk of a Paris
service just around the corner. At what point does someone say enough
is enough.
Since the mid 60's GLA's performance relative to EDI has continued to
decline.
That's incorrect. Yes EDI has boomed in recent years but why shouldn't it?
It was previously drastically underserved from Europe. And why must GLA be
judged by what's happening at EDI specifically? BTW EDI's one time double
figure growth stats have levelled off somewhat, as have PIK's. They were
never going to continue at the same dizzy heights indefinately.
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Okay as per above GLA has struggled to perform to an extent that it has
slipped from the number 4 airport in the UK by pax numbers to number 7.
How much lower it will go is up for deabte.
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