AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  GLA-BRU Previous Stats Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Glasgow Airport View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message B Guest Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:46 pm    Post subject: GLA-BRU Previous Stats 2000 GLA-BRU carried 134,674 pax No stats for PIK so presumably PIK-CRL hadn't started. 2001 GLA-BRU carried 119,449 pax 2001 PIK-CRL carried 51,654 pax. (That's what's called 'The PIK effect') 2003 was the last full year we had an official 12 month period for PIK-CRL, pax count was 85,337. The difference between that figure and and GLA's last full year without competition from PIK is 49,337 pax, assuming GLA *doesn't* take any pax from PIK then the difference of 49,337 divided by 52 weeks divided by 18 flights per week gives me 949 pax per week divided by 18 flights gives me 53 pax per flight, everybody follow that, Ade? B Back to top A Guest Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:01 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-BRU Previous Stats "B" <BLIMPS (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote in news:cu8k3u$lqr$1 (AT) titan (DOT) btinternet.com: Quote: 2000 GLA-BRU carried 134,674 pax No stats for PIK so presumably PIK-CRL hadn't started. 2001 GLA-BRU carried 119,449 pax 2001 PIK-CRL carried 51,654 pax. (That's what's called 'The PIK effect') 2003 was the last full year we had an official 12 month period for PIK-CRL, pax count was 85,337. The difference between that figure and and GLA's last full year without competition from PIK is 49,337 pax, assuming GLA *doesn't* take any pax from PIK then the difference of 49,337 divided by 52 weeks divided by 18 flights per week gives me 949 pax per week divided by 18 flights gives me 53 pax per flight, everybody follow that, Ade? You want me to check your maths? Out of curiousity, what were the EDI-BRU figures. For some of the time there were competing airlines on the route, with flybe operating for a short period. Back to top B Guest Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:32 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-BRU Previous Stats "A" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote Quote: "B" <BLIMPS (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote in news:cu8k3u$lqr$1 (AT) titan (DOT) btinternet.com: 2000 GLA-BRU carried 134,674 pax No stats for PIK so presumably PIK-CRL hadn't started. 2001 GLA-BRU carried 119,449 pax 2001 PIK-CRL carried 51,654 pax. (That's what's called 'The PIK effect') 2003 was the last full year we had an official 12 month period for PIK-CRL, pax count was 85,337. The difference between that figure and and GLA's last full year without competition from PIK is 49,337 pax, assuming GLA *doesn't* take any pax from PIK then the difference of 49,337 divided by 52 weeks divided by 18 flights per week gives me 949 pax per week divided by 18 flights gives me 53 pax per flight, everybody follow that, Ade? You want me to check your maths? Yes, please do. Quote: Out of curiousity, what were the EDI-BRU figures. For some of the time there were competing airlines on the route, with flybe operating for a short period. Whilst you are checking my maths, do your own check on the EDI-BRU stats (here's the link - [url]http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?categoryid=80)[/url], there's a good lad. B Back to top Doug Maclean Guest Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:06 am    Post subject: Re: GLA-BRU Previous Stats "A" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote Quote: "B" <BLIMPS (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote in news:cu8k3u$lqr$1 (AT) titan (DOT) btinternet.com: 2000 GLA-BRU carried 134,674 pax No stats for PIK so presumably PIK-CRL hadn't started. 2001 GLA-BRU carried 119,449 pax 2001 PIK-CRL carried 51,654 pax. (That's what's called 'The PIK effect') 2003 was the last full year we had an official 12 month period for PIK-CRL, pax count was 85,337. The difference between that figure and and GLA's last full year without competition from PIK is 49,337 pax, assuming GLA *doesn't* take any pax from PIK then the difference of 49,337 divided by 52 weeks divided by 18 flights per week gives me 949 pax per week divided by 18 flights gives me 53 pax per flight, everybody follow that, Ade? You want me to check your maths? Out of curiousity, what were the EDI-BRU figures. For some of the time there were competing airlines on the route, with flybe operating for a short period. Must have missed that. When did Flybe operate Edinburgh - Brussels and with what ? Doug Back to top Clive Braham Guest Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-BRU Previous Stats "Doug Maclean" <drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Out of curiousity, what were the EDI-BRU figures. For some of the time there were competing airlines on the route, with flybe operating for a short period. Must have missed that. When did Flybe operate Edinburgh - Brussels and with what ? Doug Wasn't it bmi and Sabena before Sabena went t/u? Back to top Doug Maclean Guest Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-BRU Previous Stats "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote Quote: "Doug Maclean" <drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cua2v0$cof$1 (AT) titan (DOT) btinternet.com... Out of curiousity, what were the EDI-BRU figures. For some of the time there were competing airlines on the route, with flybe operating for a short period. Must have missed that. When did Flybe operate Edinburgh - Brussels and with what ? Doug Wasn't it bmi and Sabena before Sabena went t/u? BMI still operate. I wondered about never seeing Flybe on the route. Does this mean, with the usual accuracy, that Joe is posting as "A" ???? Doug Back to top Callum Johnstone Guest Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:24 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-BRU Previous Stats "Doug Maclean" <drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote Quote: "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:cuadno$1mm$1 (AT) news8 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk... "Doug Maclean" <drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cua2v0$cof$1 (AT) titan (DOT) btinternet.com... Out of curiousity, what were the EDI-BRU figures. For some of the time there were competing airlines on the route, with flybe operating for a short period. Must have missed that. When did Flybe operate Edinburgh - Brussels and with what ? Doug Wasn't it bmi and Sabena before Sabena went t/u? BMI still operate. I wondered about never seeing Flybe on the route. Does this mean, with the usual accuracy, that Joe is posting as "A" ???? Doug/Clive, I'm almost certain British European (as was) did do EDI-BRU for a short time, as I have a recollection of being in the departure lounge when the flight was being called. Can't remember exactly when though, maybe as much as four years ago. Back to top Callum Johnstone Guest Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-BRU Previous Stats "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: I'm almost certain British European (as was) did do EDI-BRU for a short time, as I have a recollection of being in the departure lounge when the flight was being called. Can't remember exactly when though, maybe as much as four years ago. I found this: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C1C951D6A Looks like it was 2002. Back to top Doug Maclean Guest Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-BRU Previous Stats "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:hY3Od.54778$K7.26161 (AT) fe2 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk... I'm almost certain British European (as was) did do EDI-BRU for a short time, as I have a recollection of being in the departure lounge when the flight was being called. Can't remember exactly when though, maybe as much as four years ago. I found this: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C1C951D6A Looks like it was 2002. Good spot Callum. Wonder if they went through Birmingham which is why they were rather annonymous ? Doug Back to top Iain Guest Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-BRU Previous Stats "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:hY3Od.54778$K7.26161 (AT) fe2 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk... I'm almost certain British European (as was) did do EDI-BRU for a short time, as I have a recollection of being in the departure lounge when the flight was being called. Can't remember exactly when though, maybe as much as four years ago. I found this: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C1C951D6A Looks like it was 2002. Yeah, flybe (or British European as I think they were known then) operated EDI-BRU for a short time after Sabena went bust. I think they also started short-lived BRU flights from 1 or 2 other UK airports after Sabena's demise (NCL and BHX perhaps). I think the EDI flights were operated by CRJs and were initially 2 or 3 daily. I think they were pretty quickly cut back to 1 daily before being withdrawn completely. Given that bmi were already in-situ at EDI it seemed a bit silly to me. Additionally, many of the pax that were flying to BRU were connecting and were obviously going to switch to routing via other hubs instead of BE to BRU. Routes to BRU have been served by so many carriers over the last few years and the market seems to have been a bit in flux. Before SN went bust I think they were operating 4xdaily from EDI and GLA for a while. When FR started PIK-CRL and bmi EDI-BRU SN carried on at 4xdaily until they went under - I think SN was picking up a lot of low-yield connecting pax at that time (probably a strategy that contributed to their downfall!). I did hear at the time that the bmi's EDI-BRU route was "saved" when Sabena went bust - bmi were quoted in the press at the time saying that they had been about to pull the route cause they couldn't compete with Sabena. After Sabena went bust PIK-CRL went up to 2xdaily for a while, but returned quite quickly to 1xdaily - that's why I feel any increase in frequency by on this route by FR now would be little more than an attack on SN - if FR can't make 2 daily CRL work with noone operating GLA-BRU then why is there suddenly demand for it now, when just coincidentally someone happens to be about to challenge their monopoly from the W of Scotland to Belgium. Back to top B Guest Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-BRU Previous Stats "Doug Maclean" <drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote Quote: "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:cuadno$1mm$1 (AT) news8 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk... "Doug Maclean" <drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cua2v0$cof$1 (AT) titan (DOT) btinternet.com... Out of curiousity, what were the EDI-BRU figures. For some of the time there were competing airlines on the route, with flybe operating for a short period. Must have missed that. When did Flybe operate Edinburgh - Brussels and with what ? Doug Wasn't it bmi and Sabena before Sabena went t/u? BMI still operate. I wondered about never seeing Flybe on the route. Does this mean, with the usual accuracy, that Joe is posting as "A" ???? 'A' is more Adrian than Joe. B Back to top A Guest Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-BRU Previous Stats "B" <BLIMPS (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote in news:cub015$ln1$1 (AT) titan (DOT) btinternet.com: Quote: "Doug Maclean" <drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cuagrr$edk$1 (AT) hercules (DOT) btinternet.com... "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:cuadno$1mm$1 (AT) news8 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk... "Doug Maclean" <drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cua2v0$cof$1 (AT) titan (DOT) btinternet.com... Out of curiousity, what were the EDI-BRU figures. For some of the time there were competing airlines on the route, with flybe operating for a short period. Must have missed that. When did Flybe operate Edinburgh - Brussels and with what ? Doug Wasn't it bmi and Sabena before Sabena went t/u? BMI still operate. I wondered about never seeing Flybe on the route. Does this mean, with the usual accuracy, that Joe is posting as "A" ???? 'A' is more Adrian than Joe. And A's post was accurate. Look before you leap, Doug. Back to top A Guest Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-BRU Previous Stats "Doug Maclean" <drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in news:cuasas$n90$1 (AT) sparta (DOT) btinternet.com: Quote: "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:h04Od.54826$K7.25316 (AT) fe2 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk... "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:hY3Od.54778$K7.26161 (AT) fe2 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk... I'm almost certain British European (as was) did do EDI-BRU for a short time, as I have a recollection of being in the departure lounge when the flight was being called. Can't remember exactly when though, maybe as much as four years ago. I found this: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C1C951D6A Looks like it was 2002. Good spot Callum. Wonder if they went through Birmingham which is why they were rather annonymous ? Doug I'm afraid it was direct. Back to top Clive Braham Guest Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:42 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-BRU Previous Stats "Iain" <iain1978 (AT) nospamtiscali (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:h04Od.54826$K7.25316 (AT) fe2 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk... "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:hY3Od.54778$K7.26161 (AT) fe2 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk... I'm almost certain British European (as was) did do EDI-BRU for a short time, as I have a recollection of being in the departure lounge when the flight was being called. Can't remember exactly when though, maybe as much as four years ago. I found this: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C1C951D6A Looks like it was 2002. Yeah, flybe (or British European as I think they were known then) operated EDI-BRU for a short time after Sabena went bust. I think they also started short-lived BRU flights from 1 or 2 other UK airports after Sabena's demise (NCL and BHX perhaps). I think the EDI flights were operated by CRJs and were initially 2 or 3 daily. I think they were pretty quickly cut back to 1 daily before being withdrawn completely. Given that bmi were already in-situ at EDI it seemed a bit silly to me. Additionally, many of the pax that were flying to BRU were connecting and were obviously going to switch to routing via other hubs instead of BE to BRU. Routes to BRU have been served by so many carriers over the last few years and the market seems to have been a bit in flux. Before SN went bust I think they were operating 4xdaily from EDI and GLA for a while. When FR started PIK-CRL and bmi EDI-BRU SN carried on at 4xdaily until they went under - I think SN was picking up a lot of low-yield connecting pax at that time (probably a strategy that contributed to their downfall!). I did hear at the time that the bmi's EDI-BRU route was "saved" when Sabena went bust - bmi were quoted in the press at the time saying that they had been about to pull the route cause they couldn't compete with Sabena. After Sabena went bust PIK-CRL went up to 2xdaily for a while, but returned quite quickly to 1xdaily - that's why I feel any increase in frequency by on this route by FR now would be little more than an attack on SN - if FR can't make 2 daily CRL work with noone operating GLA-BRU then why is there suddenly demand for it now, when just coincidentally someone happens to be about to challenge their monopoly from the W of Scotland to Belgium. Good informative post Iain. Clive Back to top Jim Mason Guest Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:16 pm    Post subject: Re: GLA-BRU Previous Stats In article <Xns95F7DB0751E85z (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119>, [email]me (AT) privacy (DOT) net[/email] says... Quote: "B" <BLIMPS (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote in news:cub015$ln1$1 (AT) titan (DOT) btinternet.com: "Doug Maclean" <drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cuagrr$edk$1 (AT) hercules (DOT) btinternet.com... "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:cuadno$1mm$1 (AT) news8 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk... "Doug Maclean" <drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cua2v0$cof$1 (AT) titan (DOT) btinternet.com... Out of curiousity, what were the EDI-BRU figures. For some of the time there were competing airlines on the route, with flybe operating for a short period. Must have missed that. When did Flybe operate Edinburgh - Brussels and with what ? Doug Wasn't it bmi and Sabena before Sabena went t/u? BMI still operate. I wondered about never seeing Flybe on the route. Does this mean, with the usual accuracy, that Joe is posting as "A" ???? 'A' is more Adrian than Joe. And A's post was accurate. Look before you leap, Doug. Can you please extend your advice west-bound to Livingston? 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