AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Girl Scouts and aviation?? Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aviation (Students) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Montblack Guest Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:51 pm    Post subject: Girl Scouts and aviation?? Over the years I've seen a few Cub Scout / aviation posts on these newsgroups. I do not recall seeing similar Girl Scout / aviation posts. Anyone out there have any Girl Scout / aviation stories or experiences? At our airport, again over the years, I've seen Boy Scout groups around but no Girl Scouts. Maybe they've been around and I missed them? Young Eagles weekends at our airport is a different matter, equal number of boys and girls show up. Montblack Back to top Jay Honeck Guest Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Girl Scouts and aviation?? Quote: Anyone out there have any Girl Scout / aviation stories or experiences? At our airport, again over the years, I've seen Boy Scout groups around but no Girl Scouts. Maybe they've been around and I missed them? It is in the Girl Scout manual that the girls are NOT permitted to fly in private planes -- period, end of story. Mary took this ridiculous rule to the highest levels of Girl Scouting, and was rebuffed at every level. They just regard it as a recklessly dangerous activity, and will not allow it to be done under their auspices. Which is one major reason why Mary has disbanded her Girl Scout troop/den/whatever this year. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" Back to top Blueskies Guest Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:15 am    Post subject: Re: Girl Scouts and aviation?? "Jay Honeck" <jjhoneck (AT) NOSPAMmchsi (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Anyone out there have any Girl Scout / aviation stories or experiences? At our airport, again over the years, I've seen Boy Scout groups around but no Girl Scouts. Maybe they've been around and I missed them? It is in the Girl Scout manual that the girls are NOT permitted to fly in private planes -- period, end of story. Mary took this ridiculous rule to the highest levels of Girl Scouting, and was rebuffed at every level. They just regard it as a recklessly dangerous activity, and will not allow it to be done under their auspices. Which is one major reason why Mary has disbanded her Girl Scout troop/den/whatever this year. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" Hmmm, we had many, many Girl Scouts show up at the Young Eagles rally here a while back. There is a aviation (or aerospace) badge they can get. Back to top Steven Barnes Guest Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:32 am    Post subject: Re: Girl Scouts and aviation?? Quote: "Jay Honeck" <jjhoneck (AT) NOSPAMmchsi (DOT) com> wrote Anyone out there have any Girl Scout / aviation stories or experiences? At our airport, again over the years, I've seen Boy Scout groups around but no Girl Scouts. Maybe they've been around and I missed them? It is in the Girl Scout manual that the girls are NOT permitted to fly in private planes -- period, end of story. Mary took this ridiculous rule to the highest levels of Girl Scouting, and was rebuffed at every level. They just regard it as a recklessly dangerous activity, and will not allow it to be done under their auspices. Which is one major reason why Mary has disbanded her Girl Scout troop/den/whatever this year. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" "Blueskies" <nospamedblueskies (AT) ameritech (DOT) net> wrote Quote: Hmmm, we had many, many Girl Scouts show up at the Young Eagles rally here a while back. There is a aviation (or aerospace) badge they can get. Interesting. My ex-wife is leader of my daughter's brownie troop. I would love nothing more, than to give a little talk about aviation during a field trip to the airport. Let the girls see/touch/sit in the plane. Hadn't considered any rides, due to too many nervous moms to deal with. I wasn't sure where to even look up any info on how to make a proper presentation. I would never have thought some manual would prohibit it. Weird. Back to top David Kazdan Guest Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:04 am    Post subject: Re: Girl Scouts and aviation?? My department's administrative assistant is a Girl Scout troop leader. When I offered Young Eagle rides to her troop last summer, she said exactly what is described here--anything having to do with airplanes is all right except actually flying in them (I'll assume that taxiing is a problem, too). She said a trip to the airport with them sitting in the plane was fine. The whole thing rather turned me off. I got them model airplane kits instead. I do buy their cookies. David Steven Barnes wrote: Quote: "Jay Honeck" <jjhoneck (AT) NOSPAMmchsi (DOT) com> wrote in message news:vpm%d.88814$r55.37719 (AT) attbi_s52 (DOT) .. Anyone out there have any Girl Scout / aviation stories or experiences? At our airport, again over the years, I've seen Boy Scout groups around but no Girl Scouts. Maybe they've been around and I missed them? It is in the Girl Scout manual that the girls are NOT permitted to fly in private planes -- period, end of story. Mary took this ridiculous rule to the highest levels of Girl Scouting, and was rebuffed at every level. They just regard it as a recklessly dangerous activity, and will not allow it to be done under their auspices. Which is one major reason why Mary has disbanded her Girl Scout troop/den/whatever this year. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" "Blueskies" <nospamedblueskies (AT) ameritech (DOT) net> wrote in message news:kmo%d.16457$_r4.10296 (AT) newssvr31 (DOT) news.prodigy.com... Hmmm, we had many, many Girl Scouts show up at the Young Eagles rally here a while back. There is a aviation (or aerospace) badge they can get. Interesting. My ex-wife is leader of my daughter's brownie troop. I would love nothing more, than to give a little talk about aviation during a field trip to the airport. Let the girls see/touch/sit in the plane. Hadn't considered any rides, due to too many nervous moms to deal with. I wasn't sure where to even look up any info on how to make a proper presentation. I would never have thought some manual would prohibit it. Weird. Back to top Kyle Boatright Guest Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:11 am    Post subject: Re: Girl Scouts and aviation?? < "Steven Barnes" <crash7 (AT) ameritech (DOT) net> wrote Quote: "Blueskies" <nospamedblueskies (AT) ameritech (DOT) net> wrote in message news:kmo%d.16457$_r4.10296 (AT) newssvr31 (DOT) news.prodigy.com... Hmmm, we had many, many Girl Scouts show up at the Young Eagles rally here a while back. There is a aviation (or aerospace) badge they can get. Interesting. My ex-wife is leader of my daughter's brownie troop. I would love nothing more, than to give a little talk about aviation during a field trip to the airport. Let the girls see/touch/sit in the plane. Hadn't considered any rides, due to too many nervous moms to deal with. I wasn't sure where to even look up any info on how to make a proper presentation. I would never have thought some manual would prohibit it. Weird. We've faced a similar problem with Boy Scouts. They are not allowed to fly in EXPERIMENTAL aircraft. Makes it tough when the EAA chapter is giving the rides, and <huge surprise!!> most of the aircraft are Experimental. We've started telling Scout groups that their members are welcome to come fly at Young Eagle events, but not to do it as part of an official scout activity - i.e. no uniform, etc. Works fine. KB Back to top Blueskies Guest Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:07 am    Post subject: Re: Girl Scouts and aviation?? "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote Quote: major snip "Steven Barnes" <crash7 (AT) ameritech (DOT) net> wrote "Blueskies" <nospamedblueskies (AT) ameritech (DOT) net> wrote in message news:kmo%d.16457$_r4.10296 (AT) newssvr31 (DOT) news.prodigy.com... Hmmm, we had many, many Girl Scouts show up at the Young Eagles rally here a while back. There is a aviation (or aerospace) badge they can get. Interesting. My ex-wife is leader of my daughter's brownie troop. I would love nothing more, than to give a little talk about aviation during a field trip to the airport. Let the girls see/touch/sit in the plane. Hadn't considered any rides, due to too many nervous moms to deal with. I wasn't sure where to even look up any info on how to make a proper presentation. I would never have thought some manual would prohibit it. Weird. We've faced a similar problem with Boy Scouts. They are not allowed to fly in EXPERIMENTAL aircraft. Makes it tough when the EAA chapter is giving the rides, and <huge surprise!!> most of the aircraft are Experimental. We've started telling Scout groups that their members are welcome to come fly at Young Eagle events, but not to do it as part of an official scout activity - i.e. no uniform, etc. Works fine. KB So Boy Scouts in uniform cannot ride in an experimental aircraft? As long as it is not officially sanctioned by the BSA or the troop, there should be no concern about what they are wearing... To take this further, there is a huge perception issue here. The AOPA and EAA should get out and promote aviation at these associations. I know I have pushed around here to get things going (my daughter is 11 and was a girl scout, troop broke up). Seems pretty odd that the EAA would even play along under these restrictions; the whole point is to promote experimental aircraft. Funny how we roll over just to get the numbers up... Back to top George Patterson Guest Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:31 am    Post subject: Re: Girl Scouts and aviation?? Jay Honeck wrote: Quote: It is in the Girl Scout manual that the girls are NOT permitted to fly in private planes -- period, end of story. Well, I haven't read the manual, but they had a GS troop show up at a YE flyout over at Sky Manor last year. George Patterson I prefer Heaven for climate but Hell for company. Back to top Montblack Guest Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:59 am    Post subject: Re: Girl Scouts and aviation?? ("Steven Barnes" wrote) Quote: Interesting. My ex-wife is leader of my daughter's brownie troop. I would love nothing more, than to give a little talk about aviation during a field trip to the airport. Let the girls see/touch/sit in the plane. Hadn't considered any rides, due to too many nervous moms to deal with. I wasn't sure where to even look up any info on how to make a proper presentation. I would never have thought some manual would prohibit it. I just gave a Golden Wings Museum (google) tour for a group of 6th and 2nd graders on Friday. Our normal(?) tours are for high school and college age kids, mostly aviation programs. We had an hour to fill (about 2 minutes per plane) plus they got to climb up in the Bushmaster Tri-Motor - two at a time. I hadn't had elementary students on a tour before. What to do, what to do, what to do? I skipped the plane names, specs, and historical significance, etc and instead pointed out similarities and differences between the planes, took questions a mile a minute, and came back to the same plane more than once - like a treasure hunt for stuff that we were learning on the tour. Don't know about the kids, but I sure had fun. Actually they had a great time too. Montblack Back to top W P Dixon Guest Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: Girl Scouts and aviation?? Hmmm, Seems the only thing the Girl Scouts do now days is sell cookies! Between knocking on your door to hitting you up at the grocery store and Wal Mart! It's to dang hard to sell cookies at 7000 feet! That must be why they can't fly!!! As for the Boy Scouts, myself I can think of nothing better for a troop to do than to build an airplane together! Patrick student SPL aircraft structural mech Back to top Cecil Chapman Guest Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Girl Scouts and aviation?? ?? Boy scouts can fly, but Girl scouts can't?? Are boys 'more expendable' than girls? <jeesh> I'm with you and your wife on this one,,, what nonsense and a major disservice to the girls. We gotta hire Patty Wagstaffe to get to the head of the Girl Scouts and kick major butt! <GRIN> <wink> Just can't get over it; what a wonderful experience to deprive their daughters, of. :0( Sad, is what it is............. -- -- =----- Good Flights! Cecil PP-ASEL-IA Student - CP-ASEL Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond! Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - "We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet" - Cecil Day Lewis - Back to top Jay Honeck Guest Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Girl Scouts and aviation?? Quote: Well, I haven't read the manual, but they had a GS troop show up at a YE flyout over at Sky Manor last year. I'm sure there are plenty of instances where leaders ignore (or are ignorant of) the national rules. I tried to convince Mary to do the exact same thing, but -- after careful consideration -- she decided to follow the rules and fight from within. She lost. Bottom line: The Girl Scouts are simply too paranoid about liability to ever sanction flying in personal airplanes. Face it, they've got a veritable gold mine with those cookies and (unlike the Boy Scouts) have millions to lose in any lawsuit. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" Back to top Ron Natalie Guest Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Girl Scouts and aviation?? Kyle Boatright wrote: Quote: We've faced a similar problem with Boy Scouts. They are not allowed to fly in EXPERIMENTAL aircraft. Makes it tough when the EAA chapter is giving the rides, and <huge surprise!!> most of the aircraft are Experimental. We've started telling Scout groups that their members are welcome to come fly at Young Eagle events, but not to do it as part of an official scout activity - i.e. no uniform, etc. The Boy Sprouts also require a million dollars of liability insurance and require you to disclose all sorts of stuff (carrier, etc...) prior to allowing you to fly them. The school system here had a cow when Margy wanted to announce the YE events at her school. Back to top Blueskies Guest Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Girl Scouts and aviation?? "W P Dixon" <paddydixspam (AT) bridgenettn (DOT) com> wrote Quote: As for the Boy Scouts, myself I can think of nothing better for a troop to do than to build an airplane together! Patrick student SPL aircraft structural mech They just won't be able to fly it then, based on what I'm hearing... Back to top Morgans Guest Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:17 am    Post subject: Re: Girl Scouts and aviation?? "C J Campbell" <christophercampbellNOSPAM (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: The Boy Scouts theoretically have the Aviation Explorers (for both boys and girls), but try to actually organize a post.... I am involved in an Aviation Explorer post. It works quite well. It also works for the other 100 or so Aviation Explorers from all over the country, that have their own camping base at Air Venture, and work lots of hours at anything from crowd control, to parking airplanes in the homebuilt showplane area, to directing taxiway intersections on 18-36. They all actually managed to belong to an organized post. Young Eagle rides are permitted. A simple form is all that is needed. Also, besides going to Oshkosh and working, they work at our local warbirds airshow, which is fairly big. We also go to at least two major airshows per year, have ATC tours, museum tours, ski trips. Follow the rules, and it is not tough, at all. Form a post. There are good kids anywhere, needing leadership, to get into aviation. -- Jim in NC Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aviation (Students) All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next Page 1 of 3   Jump to: Select a forum Aviation----------------alt.aviationAviation safety EnhancementPlanes, gliders and flying in AustraliaAviation et pilotage (Français)rec.aviationAviation (Aerobatics)Hot air, gas balloons and airshipsHang-gliding, paragliding, foot-launched flightAircraft Design & BuildingInstrument Flight RulesAviation (Classifieds)Military AircraftNaval AviationAviation (Miscellaneous Topics)Owning AirplanesAviators (General Discussions)Aviation related productsAircraft RestorationHelicopters and rotary wing aircraftsFlight SimulationSailplanesAviation (Students)Light aircraftFlying related activities in the UK Airports----------------alt.airportsEdinburgh Airport Glasgow Airport Humberside Airport Luton Airport Aberdeen Airport Glasgow Prestwick Airport  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.