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Jay Beckman · Guest

Howdy All...

I really only wanted to dip a toe into flying our club's 182P today but I
think my instructor decided to push me off the dock!

I figured we'd just start with the four basics but we just sort of kept
adding new things to try.

We worked right through slow flight clean/dirty, stalls clean/dirty/turning,
Chandles (sp?), Steep Turns, Spiral Descents, Dutch Rolls, Turns On A Point
(not sure my brain is tuned in to this maneuver...) and even attempted a
quasi power-off 180 to land (I think I flew it more as a pretty normal
pattern and I only doglegged the base to final turn.)

Random thoughts from todays flight in N6693M, a 1975 C182P (In no particular
order...)
- I may need to try using a seat cushion...that glareshield is definately
higher.
- Starts really smoothly (only three, maybe four blades...)
- What? No Avionics Master? (Begin to hunt and peck for individual power
knobs)
- Individual power knobs means the volume is probably turned down. (No
wonder I couldn't hear the ATIS on Comm 2)
- The cohesive avionics suite in the C172SP spoiled me. Mix and match
electronics are a little disconcerting at first.
- Taxis like a truck but turns suprisingly tightly with just a tap of the
brake.
- Back to normally aspirated engine...ah, my old friend Carb Heat. (But
there's a Carb Temp Gauge available.)
- And now for something completely different...cycle the BLUE knob in and
out.
- LCD CDI for Nav 2 ... need to investigate that further.
- Garmin 430 ... need to find a users guide and get deeper into that ASAP.
- Despite being so truck-like, a 182 actually steps off quite lightly (10
degrees of flaps and just hold the nose up)
- TRIM, Trim and trim some more...
- "24 squared"
- 126.1 not 122.6 ... (Try changing the Comm freq and not the Nav
freq...Ooops...forgot to push the C/V...grumble, Garmin, grumble...)
- Approaches feel much steeper than in a 172 (probably my eye point)
- I can, in fact, make good landings in a 182. I was really worried about
dropping it in on my first couple of tries but I didn't! Ok, I kinda
dropped it in once.
- TRIM, Trim and trim some more...
- "Skyhawk...Err, Umm, SkyLANE 6693M is 10 south with November..."
- Flying with an instructor who is a little bit "old school" is a good
thing. Bob will make you work...then work some more.
- TRIM, Trim and trim some more...
- Having been taught to fly neat, square patterns is hard to unlearn in
favor of more rounded patterns flown steeper and closer in.
- Great way to work on hour number two for my first "Wings" pin.
- Being told you've done better than most for their first 1.5hrs in a
182...Priceless!!

Just a great day of trying new stuff...and wanted to share the experience.

Blue Skies to all...

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL (High Performance Endorsee in Training...)
Chandler, AZ

john smith · Guest

Congratulations Jay!
Does this 182 have rudder and elevator trim?
If yes.....

pulling back and lifting off, holding rudder to center the ball... trim
out the rudder pressure to center the ball then adjust the elevator trim
for the desired climb airspeed, then pull the throttle back, then adjust
the prop

Carb heat is your friend! The 182's O-470 is notorious for making carb
ice.

Slow down on the approach! Use 75 kts on downwind, 70 on base and 65 on
final, crossing the threshhold at 55-60 kts at max gross (power off).
Don't bring in the 30-40 degrees of flaps until you have the threshhold
assured.

Jim Macklin · Guest

Garmin has 430 manuals at www.garmin.com select products
aviation, then support/manuals

If the steering NEEDS a tap on the brake it also needs to be
greased on the linkage and strut.

Cessna, they all look the same to the tower from a mile
away.

That higher panel makes you think you're higher off the
runway than you really are. Trim right down to approach
speed, be prepared for a hard push during a go-around to
keep the nose down. Fly the airplane, flaps coming up, trim
and control the pitch with your strong right arm.

Practice an extended flare, round out a foot off the runway
and practice flying a thousand feet or so, [not more than
1/3 the runway]. The sight picture will come to you. Use
your rudder and ailerons like those Dutch Rolls so if you
touch a wheel it is pointed in the correct direction.

Trim all pressures all the time.

24 square is safe, climb at 2500 and full throttle. Full
throttle keeps the power enrichment valve open in the carb
to supply extra cooling fuel during the after-take-off
climb. at 500 feet, reduce the throttle as
required/desired. Lean with the EGT if you've got it.

Cruise is fine at any rpm from 2100 and higher and there is
no problem having the MAP over-square. Find the power
charts that show permissible engine ops.

A nice cushion never hurts, a boat flotation cushion works
well and can be useful if you have to ditch.

--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Jay Beckman" <jnsbeckman (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:FRO%g.115$U%2.68 (AT) newsfe16 (DOT) phx...
| Howdy All...
|
| I really only wanted to dip a toe into flying our club's
182P today but I
| think my instructor decided to push me off the dock!
|
| I figured we'd just start with the four basics but we just
sort of kept
| adding new things to try.
|
| We worked right through slow flight clean/dirty, stalls
clean/dirty/turning,
| Chandles (sp?), Steep Turns, Spiral Descents, Dutch Rolls,
Turns On A Point
| (not sure my brain is tuned in to this maneuver...) and
even attempted a
| quasi power-off 180 to land (I think I flew it more as a
pretty normal
| pattern and I only doglegged the base to final turn.)
|
| Random thoughts from todays flight in N6693M, a 1975 C182P
(In no particular
| order...)
| - I may need to try using a seat cushion...that
glareshield is definately
| higher.
| - Starts really smoothly (only three, maybe four
blades...)
| - What? No Avionics Master? (Begin to hunt and peck for
individual power
| knobs)
| - Individual power knobs means the volume is probably
turned down. (No
| wonder I couldn't hear the ATIS on Comm 2)
| - The cohesive avionics suite in the C172SP spoiled me.
Mix and match
| electronics are a little disconcerting at first.
| - Taxis like a truck but turns suprisingly tightly with
just a tap of the
| brake.
| - Back to normally aspirated engine...ah, my old friend
Carb Heat. (But
| there's a Carb Temp Gauge available.)
| - And now for something completely different...cycle the
BLUE knob in and
| out.
| - LCD CDI for Nav 2 ... need to investigate that further.
| - Garmin 430 ... need to find a users guide and get deeper
into that ASAP.
| - Despite being so truck-like, a 182 actually steps off
quite lightly (10
| degrees of flaps and just hold the nose up)
| - TRIM, Trim and trim some more...
| - "24 squared"
| - 126.1 not 122.6 ... (Try changing the Comm freq and not
the Nav
| freq...Ooops...forgot to push the C/V...grumble, Garmin,
grumble...)
| - Approaches feel much steeper than in a 172 (probably my
eye point)
| - I can, in fact, make good landings in a 182. I was
really worried about
| dropping it in on my first couple of tries but I didn't!
Ok, I kinda
| dropped it in once.
| - TRIM, Trim and trim some more...
| - "Skyhawk...Err, Umm, SkyLANE 6693M is 10 south with
November..."
| - Flying with an instructor who is a little bit "old
school" is a good
| thing. Bob will make you work...then work some more.
| - TRIM, Trim and trim some more...
| - Having been taught to fly neat, square patterns is hard
to unlearn in
| favor of more rounded patterns flown steeper and closer
in.
| - Great way to work on hour number two for my first
"Wings" pin.
| - Being told you've done better than most for their first
1.5hrs in a
| 182...Priceless!!
|
| Just a great day of trying new stuff...and wanted to share
the experience.
|
| Blue Skies to all...
|
| Jay Beckman
| PP-ASEL (High Performance Endorsee in Training...)
| Chandler, AZ
|
|

Jim Macklin · Guest

So flaps will drop the nose and let you see better.

"john smith" <jsmith (AT) net (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:jsmith-27E1AB.16162725102006@network-065-024-007-028.columbus.rr.com...
| Congratulations Jay!
| Does this 182 have rudder and elevator trim?
| If yes.....
|
| pulling back and lifting off, holding rudder to center the
ball... trim
| out the rudder pressure to center the ball then adjust the
elevator trim
| for the desired climb airspeed, then pull the throttle
back, then adjust
| the prop
|
| Carb heat is your friend! The 182's O-470 is notorious for
making carb
| ice.
|
| Slow down on the approach! Use 75 kts on downwind, 70 on
base and 65 on
| final, crossing the threshhold at 55-60 kts at max gross
(power off).
| Don't bring in the 30-40 degrees of flaps until you have
the threshhold
| assured.

Peter R. · Guest

"Peter R." <pjricc (AT) gmailX (DOT) com> wrote:

Peter R. · Guest

Jay Beckman <jnsbeckman (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

Jim Macklin · Guest

And the manual is on the left side.

"Peter R." <pjricc (AT) gmailX (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1oxx11tjs5zc9$.dlg@ID-259643.user.individual.net...
| Jay Beckman <jnsbeckman (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:
|
| > - Garmin 430 ... need to find a users guide and get
deeper into that ASAP.
|
| Congratulations, Jay! Enjoyed the write-up of your new
experiences. Keep
| those posts coming.
|
| Regarding the GNS430, Garmin also offers a free simulator
for your PC, if
| you haven't seen it, a free syllabus, and a free training
video. Look to
| the right side of the page here for all downloads:
|
| http://www.garmin.com/products/gns430/#
|
| My Bonanza has a GNS430, so if you have any questions post
them here or
| send me an email and I will be happy to help.
|
| --
| Peter

Jack Allison · Guest

Jay Beckman wrote:

Mortimer Schnerd, RN · Guest

Andrew Gideon wrote:

Peter R. · Guest

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:

Mortimer Schnerd, RN · Guest

Peter R. wrote:

Jim Macklin · Guest

" I've never understood why they went cheap on it?" One
word, Cessna!

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in
message
news:koudnS1-JKNYM9_YnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com...
| Andrew Gideon wrote:
| > On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:58:03 -0700, Jack Allison wrote:
| >
| >> All you need now are the three green lights
| >
| > The R182 I fly has only one green. I've always felt a
little
| > short-changed about that.
|
|
| The C-210 is the same way. I've never understood why they
went cheap on it.
|
|
|
|
| --
| Mortimer Schnerd, RN
| mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
|
|

Mortimer Schnerd, RN · Guest

Jay Beckman wrote:

Andrew Gideon · Guest

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:13:04 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote: