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Eduardo B.
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 Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:52 pm Post subject: Getting sick with foggles |
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Im having a problem when performing recovering from unusual attitudes
(head down ayes closed and foggles on), when getting the chart and
start moving too much in the plane but specially when using the
foggles.
Im starting to get concerned and was wondering if someone else has the
same problem.
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John T
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Getting sick with foggles |
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"Eduardo B." <newsgroupp (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote
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Im starting to get concerned and was wondering if someone else has the
same problem.
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The only time I've ever gotten close to reviewing my last meal in an
airplane was during unusual attitude recovery in training for the private
pilot certificate. After a particularly...interesting unusual attitude (and
quick recovery, I might add), I told the instructor that we wouldn't be
doing any more UA training that day, but that other training was certainly
an option. I opened a window and was just fine after a few minutes, but
still wouldn't consider any more UA that day.
The point of UA training is to try to simulate recovery after siginificant
disorientation. However, there are other ways to teach UA recovery that you
and your instructor may want to try. For instance, close your eyes and hold
your head stationary (not looking down at your lap) while your instructor
tells you to turn left for a while, then level out, then right for a while,
then level out. After you open your eyes to see your instruments, you'll
quickly realize how your senses "lie" to you. :)
In my opinion, that's a far more realistic training scenario since it
reinforces how the sense of "down" can be confused. (My son, a typical
know-it-all teenager, thought he could pass the "test" and was soon
humbled.) The part of unintentional UA that seems to cause the most trouble
for pilots is that they don't realize they're actually *in* an unusual
attitude until it's too late (because they've been relying on their senses
which "lied" to them). Entry into these attitudes can be insidiously slow
and won't necessarily cause disorientation.
Another significant benefit to this technique is that it rarely triggers
motion sickness (in my somewhat limited experience). :)
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John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
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TTA Cherokee Driver
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: Getting sick with foggles |
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Eduardo B. wrote:
| Quote: | Im having a problem when performing recovering from unusual attitudes
(head down ayes closed and foggles on), when getting the chart and
start moving too much in the plane but specially when using the
foggles.
Im starting to get concerned and was wondering if someone else has the
same problem.
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I had trouble with it the first few times I did it, but after a few
sessions I was fine. just had to get used to it. I was the same way
with turbulence btw. Stick with it you'll probably get more used to it
and do better.
Mike
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PA28-161
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Jeff
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Getting sick with foggles |
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What kind of problem are you having in reference to unusual attitudes?
the key to doing unusual attitudes, or instrument flying is to be relaxed.
Fly with only 2-3 fingers on the yoke, use only one hand, the other in
your lap on on the throttle and just relax, dont correct for every bump or
movement of the plane.
Jeff
http://www.turboarrow3.com
"Eduardo B." wrote:
| Quote: | Im having a problem when performing recovering from unusual attitudes
(head down ayes closed and foggles on), when getting the chart and
start moving too much in the plane but specially when using the
foggles.
Im starting to get concerned and was wondering if someone else has the
same problem.
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TTA Cherokee Driver
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Getting sick with foggles |
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John T wrote:
| Quote: | However, there are other ways to teach UA recovery that you
and your instructor may want to try. For instance, close your eyes and hold
your head stationary (not looking down at your lap) while your instructor
tells you to turn left for a while, then level out, then right for a while,
then level out. After you open your eyes to see your instruments, you'll
quickly realize how your senses "lie" to you. 
[snip]
Another significant benefit to this technique is that it rarely triggers
motion sickness (in my somewhat limited experience). :)
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But a significant drawback to that technique is that's not how it will
be done on the checkride. The "motion sickness" method will be employed
on the checkride, so a student still has to learn how to do it (of
course that doesn't mean he can't also do the method you suggest).
Mike
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John T
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: Getting sick with foggles |
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"TTA Cherokee Driver" <nospam (AT) invalid (DOT) com> wrote
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But a significant drawback to that technique is that's not how it will
be done on the checkride. The "motion sickness" method will be
employed
on the checkride,
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Maybe, maybe not. My private DE never came close to the type of
disorienting maneuvers my instructor used. I've also heard of DE's using
the technique I described (whether that's "officially sanctioned" or not is
outside my knowledge).
| Quote: | so a student still has to learn how to do it (of
course that doesn't mean he can't also do the method you suggest).
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I disagree. The point is to learn recovery from unusual attitudes - not the
method to get *into* unusual attitudes.
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John T
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