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ArtKramr
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:04 pm Post subject: Germany invented it. We shot it down

Nuff said. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Keith Willshaw
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down

"ArtKramr" <artkramr (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote

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Nuff said.

Or bombed it :)

Keith

ArtKramr
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down

Quote:

Yeah. I forgot about that part. (grin)

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Mycroft
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down

Yep eventually everything German went bang even Hitlers gun lol, shame it
did not happen 5 years earlier.

Myc

"ArtKramr" <artkramr (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote

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Subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down
From: "Keith Willshaw" [email]keithNoSpam (AT) kwillshaw (DOT) demon.co.uk[/email]
Date: 2/19/04 8:21 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <c12oqg$fh8$1 (AT) selma (DOT) aspentech.com

"ArtKramr" news:20040219100450.19430.00000523 (AT) mb-m28 (DOT) aol.com...
Nuff said.

Or bombed it :)

Keith

Yeah. I forgot about that part. (grin)

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down

Quote:

Subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down
From: "Mycroft" [email]david_austinx (AT) xspamcop (DOT) net[/email]
Date: 2/19/04 11:18 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <c1326p$t55$1 (AT) news (DOT) ox.ac.uk

Yep eventually everything German went bang even Hitlers gun lol, shame it
did not happen 5 years earlier.

Myc

"ArtKramr" news:20040219120038.18794.00000869 (AT) mb-m04 (DOT) aol.com...
Subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down
From: "Keith Willshaw" [email]keithNoSpam (AT) kwillshaw (DOT) demon.co.uk[/email]
Date: 2/19/04 8:21 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <c12oqg$fh8$1 (AT) selma (DOT) aspentech.com

"ArtKramr" news:20040219100450.19430.00000523 (AT) mb-m28 (DOT) aol.com...
Nuff said.

Or bombed it :)

Keith

Yeah. I forgot about that part. (grin)

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Yeah. Woulda saved me a lot of trouble

..

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

B2431
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down

Quote:

From: "Keith Willshaw" [email]keithNoSpam (AT) kwillshaw (DOT) demon.co.uk[/email]
Date: 2/19/2004 10:21 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <c12oqg$fh8$1 (AT) selma (DOT) aspentech.com

"ArtKramr" news:20040219100450.19430.00000523 (AT) mb-m28 (DOT) aol.com...
Nuff said.

Or bombed it :)

Keith

steve gallacci
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down

Quote:

it seems that Nazi ideology got in the way of implementing operations,
as they could not decide on targets sufficiently valuable to sacrifice
Aryan blood for.

ANDREW ROBERT BREEN
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down

In article <20040219120038.18794.00000869 (AT) mb-m04 (DOT) aol.com>,
ArtKramr <artkramr (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Or (giving credit where due) the Russians (also "us" for the purposes of
this particular discussion) parked a tank on it.

--
Andy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group
http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/
"Who dies with the most toys wins" (Gary Barnes)

robert arndt
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:18 am Post subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down

[email]artkramr (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (ArtKramr) wrote in message news:<20040219100450.19430.00000523 (AT) mb-m28 (DOT) aol.com>...

Quote:

Nuff said.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

The Luftwaffe shot down 120,000 aircraft of its own :)

Rob

robert arndt
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down

"Keith Willshaw" <keithNoSpam (AT) kwillshaw (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote

Quote:

"ArtKramr" <artkramr (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:20040219100450.19430.00000523 (AT) mb-m28 (DOT) aol.com...
Nuff said.

Or bombed it :)

Keith

And Germany laid waste to Europe and Russia not to mention costing
Britain, France, and Belgium their colonies postwar. So glad Germany
cost Britain its superpower status and robbed them of developing the
A-bomb first (Tube Alloys).
:)

Rob

robert arndt
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:22 am Post subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down

[email]artkramr (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (ArtKramr) wrote in message news:<20040219120038.18794.00000869 (AT) mb-m04 (DOT) aol.com>...

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Senility will do that to ya Art.

Rob

ArtKramr
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:36 am Post subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down

Quote:

Subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down
From: [email]teuton263 (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (robert arndt)
Date: 2/19/04 5:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <9b35beb1.0402191722.73f7b551 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com

[email]artkramr (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (ArtKramr) wrote in message
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Subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down
From: "Keith Willshaw" [email]keithNoSpam (AT) kwillshaw (DOT) demon.co.uk[/email]
Date: 2/19/04 8:21 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <c12oqg$fh8$1 (AT) selma (DOT) aspentech.com

"ArtKramr" news:20040219100450.19430.00000523 (AT) mb-m28 (DOT) aol.com...
Nuff said.

Or bombed it :)

Keith

Yeah. I forgot about that part. (grin)

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Senility will do that to ya Art.

Rob

Do you know what Germany looked like in 1945? Most kids like you have no
idea.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:38 am Post subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down

Quote:

Subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down
From: [email]teuton263 (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (robert arndt)
Date: 2/19/04 5:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <9b35beb1.0402191718.90e8ada (AT) posting (DOT) google.com

[email]artkramr (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (ArtKramr) wrote in message
news:<20040219100450.19430.00000523 (AT) mb-m28 (DOT) aol.com>...
Nuff said.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

The Luftwaffe shot down 120,000 aircraft of its own :)

Rob

Blow your nose. It's running.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

David E. Powell
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 2:24 am Post subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down

"steve gallacci" <bevnsag (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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Or laughed at it after the war. They really should have mass produced
the
piloted version of the V-1. Just think, we could have killed more pilots
that
way, the Nazis would have wasted money and material and, most
imporantly, put
them in the air flying a straight line and making an easy target.

Actually they did build a bunch (some estimates say as many as 250) but
it seems that Nazi ideology got in the way of implementing operations,
as they could not decide on targets sufficiently valuable to sacrifice
Aryan blood for.

Between planes like Mistel, commandos like Skorzeny, and sheer number of
targets, perhaps there were other reasons. And they didn't institute direck
Kamikaze style attacks as a policy. One of the amazing things to me about
German aircraft projects in WW2 was how fragmented things often were,
multiple teams and such, and so many projects competing for resources. Then
they often had problems with leadership interfering with use of weapons (A
la the Me-262.) In the end, it was not just allied productivity but the
organization of their companies, labor and project bureaus that helped their
airmen at the front. Examples like Ford converting to aircraft production
and improving things on some planes, etc. Plus the sharing of the Merlin
engine by the British and high-test gas by the USA. Russia also got stuff
like the DC-3 design. And of course the US/UK Manharttan Project. The Allied
organization helped immensely to get scientists, designers and workers the
stuff they needed and prioritise things.

One of the things applicapable to this thread was the US taking the
conventional V-1 design and producing weapons with the idea of using them
against Japan, but they never did, the war ending before they could be used.

DEP

David E. Powell
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 2:32 am Post subject: Re: Germany invented it. We shot it down

"robert arndt" <teuton263 (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote

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"Keith Willshaw" <keithNoSpam (AT) kwillshaw (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote

"ArtKramr" <artkramr (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:20040219100450.19430.00000523 (AT) mb-m28 (DOT) aol.com...
Nuff said.

Or bombed it :)

Keith

And Germany laid waste to Europe and Russia not to mention costing
Britain, France, and Belgium their colonies postwar. So glad Germany
cost Britain its superpower status and robbed them of developing the
A-bomb first (Tube Alloys).
:)

Rob

Well, the expense of WW2 screwed everybody up for a while. But given the
choice of fighting or losing everything, the French and British probably
would feel today the cost was worth it. As it was, Hitler did in Germany as
bad as anyone. I feel for the Germans for what they went through due to
having that regime leading them.

As for Britain losing superpower status and the bomb, Britain got the A-Bomb
under the terms of the Manhattan Project cooperation. As for Superpower
status, Britain is still one of the great powers, and as influence go they
are still up there, if just for language and culture. I flip on news
broadcasts around the world, and most gov'ts hire english speaking people
with english accents to do their news broadcasts. Not to knock Germany,
though, the influence they have and the potential there are significant,
given their position in Central Europe and their Economy. Germany could also
be a nuclear power if they wanted, but they see no need at the time, and as
the US and UK are their allies now, things should be OK for them defensively
for some time to come.

As for the European colonies being lost, that decline started after WW1. Due
again to expense.

DEP

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