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ArtKramr
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 Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 4:36 am Post subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III |
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Not by a long shot. In fact nowhere close. And it is disengenious to say Patton
said it and then when challenged say, "Oh not that Patton". There is only ONE
PATTON.And another Patton can't be substituted for him. At least not to those
who fought in WW II.
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
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Kevin Brooks
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 4:44 am Post subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III |
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"ArtKramr" <artkramr (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote
| Quote: | Not by a long shot. In fact nowhere close. And it is disengenious to say
Patton
said it and then when challenged say, "Oh not that Patton". There is only
ONE
PATTON.And another Patton can't be substituted for him. At least not to
those
who fought in WW II.
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Another OT posting from the fellow who despises OT posts...and no, there
have been quite a few George Patton's who attained some degree of military
fame. One graduated from VMI, the second one went through two years at VMI
before transferring to West Point and then going onto fame during WWI and
WWII, and the third was indeed also a general officer by the time he retired
after serving in Vietnam. Most of those who served in WWII are doubtless
quite willing to recognize this.
Brooks
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S. Sampson
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 4:50 am Post subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III |
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"ArtKramr" <artkramr (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote
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Not by a long shot. In fact nowhere close.
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Yea!
| Quote: | And it is disengenious to say Patton said it and then when
challenged say, "Oh not that Patton".
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Yea!
| Quote: | There is only ONE PATTON.
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Yea!
| Quote: | And another Patton can't be substituted for him.
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Yea!
| Quote: | At least not to those who fought in WW II.
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Yea!
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BUFDRVR
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III |
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| Quote: | Not by a long shot. In fact nowhere close. And it is disengenious to say
Patton
said it and then when challenged say, "Oh not that Patton". There is only ONE
PATTON.
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What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic everyday.
The WW II Gen. Patton's son also served this country and also achieved a rank
very few do. Because he fought in Vietnam and not France and Germany, you some
how believe this to be "less than honorable". Well, I've got news for you old
man, leading men in Vietnam was a damn sight harder than leading men in the
open fields of France and George S. Patton *III* is more qualified to discuss
leadership in Vietnam than his father, even had his father lived to read about
Vietnam in the daily paper.
| Quote: | And another Patton can't be substituted for him. At least not to those
who fought in WW II.
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You're right, the views of George S. Patton Jr. in regards to Vietnam would
have been meaningless since (had he lived) he had not served there. Now his son
on the other hand....
BUFDRVR
"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"
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ArtKramr
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III |
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| Quote: | Subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: [email]bufdrvr (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (BUFDRVR)
Date: 1/31/04 5:39 AM Pacific
Not by a long shot. In fact nowhere close. And it is disengenious to say
Patton
said it and then when challenged say, "Oh not that Patton". There is only
ONE
PATTON.
What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.
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Then don't open them. And you know where you can stick your personal insults.
| Quote: | eading men in Vietnam was a damn sight harder than leading men in the
open fields of France and George S. Patton *III* is more qualified to
discuss
leadership in Vietnam than his father, even had his father liv
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How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.
Patton turned an army moving East to the North and broke through the Bastogne
salient ending the Battle of the Bulge and bringing the last German thrust to
an end. A few days later the skies over Bastogne cleared and the allied air
forces flew to resupply Bastogne from the air and the 344th was there in
force. Something you know zero about so it your posts that are a pile of
pretenious pathetic crap
PLONK
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Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
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Tom Swift
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III |
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"BUFDRVR"
| Quote: | What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday. |
Most were aware of this for years.
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S. Sampson
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III |
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"ArtKramr" <artkramr (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote
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What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.
Then don't open them.
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Why not increase your logic skills, and then we won't have to ignore you.
| Quote: | Something you know zero about so it your posts that are a pile of
pretenious pathetic crap
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You're living in a dream world. History doesn't stop because you have retired
your brain. Patton Jr. would have more respect for modern warfare than you will
ever know. His son (Patton III) was an honorable soldier, and Kerry is/was and
always will be, a conniving politician and a first degree SOB. Kerry has zero
chance of making it out of the liberal northeast, as he lacks the honor necessary to
become something other than a pork-bearing Senator. Unlike Dole, he is
unwilling to go for broke. He wants to be President, but he'll hold-on to being
a pork-Senator in case he loses (and he will lose).
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Mike Marron
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III |
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| Quote: | bufdrvr (AT) aol (DOT) com (BUFDRVR) wrote:
[email]artkramr (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (ArtKramr) wrote:
There is only ONE PATTON.
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Amen. And after it won seven Academy Awards in 1970, any sequel to
thee one and only PATTON will have some mighty big shoes to fill. ;)
| Quote: | What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.
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Gotta disagree there. Since he quit posting under his "Autocollimator"
alter ego (but only AFTER I exposed him as the abusive, phony bastard
that unfortunately he has become) his postings as "ArtKramr" have
actually improved just a titch.
We all owe Kramer and his generation who fought in the Big One an
eternal debt of gratitude, however, contrary to his twisted moral
calculus, his serving in WW2 doesn't automatically give him carte
blanche to blatently disrespect and dish out abuse to those of us
who "weren't there."
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Tarver Engineering
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III |
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"ArtKramr" <artkramr (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote
| Quote: | Subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: [email]bufdrvr (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (BUFDRVR)
Date: 1/31/04 5:39 AM Pacific
Not by a long shot. In fact nowhere close. And it is disengenious to say
Patton
said it and then when challenged say, "Oh not that Patton". There is
only
ONE
PATTON.
What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.
Then don't open them. And you know where you can stick your personal
insults.
eading men in Vietnam was a damn sight harder than leading men in the
open fields of France and George S. Patton *III* is more qualified to
discuss
leadership in Vietnam than his father, even had his father liv
How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.
Patton turned an army moving East to the North and broke through the
Bastogne
salient ending the Battle of the Bulge and bringing the last German thrust
to
an end.
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Let me clue you Art, the ten days after the end of the bulge was the
heaviest fighting there. The 101st didn't need saving.
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Leslie Swartz
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III |
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Agreed Mike- and furthermore, (getting back to the topic of the thread), Art
is consistent in applying the "I fought in combat therefore nobody can
quesiton my opinion on ANYTHING" equally to himself and Senator Kerry.
The criticism against Kerry (and Art) is not about what they did in combat .
.. . the criticism is about what they did AFTER serving (perhaps honorably;
perhaps not; irrelevant. Kerry was a sanctimonious, hypocritical,
traitorous son of a bitch AFTER he came home. Like Art, eh deserves no
special proptection for being an ass AFTER performing his service.)
Yes, Art has always used the "How dare you question me I served in combat"
argument to defend his wrong-headed, ignorant, socialist, communist,
traitorous, unconstitutional and irrational rantings since his very first "I
deserve free medicine/health care/rent/big screen tv/etc" posting int his
forum.
True- a lot of good men served, and served well, and died for the freedoms
of the French and British in WWII. However, a lot of greedy, stupid,
bigoted, SOBs did as well. That's what differentiates today's armed forces
from those of yesteryear. Just being there (back then) doesn't buy you a
"free pass" for all of eternity.
Steve Swartz
"Mike Marron" <pegasus912 (AT) hotpop (DOT) com> wrote
| Quote: | bufdrvr (AT) aol (DOT) com (BUFDRVR) wrote:
[email]artkramr (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (ArtKramr) wrote:
There is only ONE PATTON.
Amen. And after it won seven Academy Awards in 1970, any sequel to
thee one and only PATTON will have some mighty big shoes to fill. ;)
What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.
Gotta disagree there. Since he quit posting under his "Autocollimator"
alter ego (but only AFTER I exposed him as the abusive, phony bastard
that unfortunately he has become) his postings as "ArtKramr" have
actually improved just a titch.
We all owe Kramer and his generation who fought in the Big One an
eternal debt of gratitude, however, contrary to his twisted moral
calculus, his serving in WW2 doesn't automatically give him carte
blanche to blatently disrespect and dish out abuse to those of us
who "weren't there."
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Dave Holford
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III |
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ArtKramr wrote:
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How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.
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Just out of idle curiosity, since this off topic thread seems likely to
continue, where and when did you lead men into combat? From what I have
seen of your postings your most common reference to leadership seems to
have been "I did as I was told."
Dave
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ArtKramr
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III |
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| Quote: | ubject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "Tarver Engineering" [email]jtarver (AT) sti (DOT) net[/email]
Date: 1/31/04 8:01 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <seydnSY-Op3rTIbdRVn-vw (AT) sti (DOT) net
"ArtKramr"
news:20040131085820.15185.00000142 (AT) mb-m06 (DOT) aol.com...
Subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: [email]bufdrvr (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (BUFDRVR)
Date: 1/31/04 5:39 AM Pacific
Not by a long shot. In fact nowhere close. And it is disengenious to say
Patton
said it and then when challenged say, "Oh not that Patton". There is
only
ONE
PATTON.
What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.
Then don't open them. And you know where you can stick your personal
insults.
eading men in Vietnam was a damn sight harder than leading men in the
open fields of France and George S. Patton *III* is more qualified to
discuss
leadership in Vietnam than his father, even had his father liv
How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.
Patton turned an army moving East to the North and broke through the
Bastogne
salient ending the Battle of the Bulge and bringing the last German thrust
to
an end.
Let me clue you Art, the ten days after the end of the bulge was the
heaviest fighting there. The 101st didn't need saving.
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So claim the 101st. In fact as one paratrooper was heard to say, " The Germans
have us surounded. Poor bastards" The truth is the 101st was running out of
ammo for their Garands and damned hungry as food was running low. Or so told
me a number of those guys after the battle. And they thanked the AAC much for
dropping supplies stuff. especially rifle ammo. We were in the air constantly
during those two weeks hitting panzers outside Bastogne and cutting roads and
bridges to stop the Germans from resupplying.
But I would never even suggest to anyone from the 101st that they needed our
help in any way. ((:->))
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
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Kevin Brooks
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III |
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"Dave Holford" <mylastname@.deletethis.sympatico.ca> wrote
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ArtKramr wrote:
How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.
Just out of idle curiosity, since this off topic thread seems likely to
continue, where and when did you lead men into combat? From what I have
seen of your postings your most common reference to leadership seems to
have been "I did as I was told."
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Compared to BUFDRVR who, IIRC, has indeed "led men into combat" as an AC.
Art continues to baffle and dismay.
Brooks
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ArtKramr
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III |
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From: "S. Sampson" [email]k5okcNOSPAM (AT) cox (DOT) net[/email]
Date: 1/31/04 7:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <dDPSb.13478$Q_4.11152@okepread03
"ArtKramr"
What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.
Then don't open them.
Why not increase your logic skills, and then we won't have to ignore you.
Something you know zero about so it your posts that are a pile of
pretenious pathetic crap
You're living in a dream world. History doesn't stop because you have
retired
your brain. Patton Jr. would have more respect for modern warfare than you
will
ever know. His son (Patton III) was an honorable soldier, and Kerry is/was
and
always will be, a conniving politician and a first degree SOB. Kerry has
zero
chance of making it out of the liberal northeast, as he lacks the honor
necessary to
become something other than a pork-bearing Senator. Unlike Dole, he is
unwilling to go for broke. He wants to be President, but he'll hold-on to
being
a pork-Senator in case he loses (and he will lose).
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Is the information you are posting from your personal combat experiences? And
when did you say you were going to start ignoring me?
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
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ArtKramr
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III |
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From: "Kevin Brooks" [email]brooksvmi (AT) notyahoo (DOT) com[/email]
Date: 1/31/04 10:07 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <NuKdncZsQLh-c4bdRVn-uw (AT) adelphia (DOT) com
"Dave Holford"
news:401BE8CB.4D098FCB@.deletethis.sympatico.ca...
ArtKramr wrote:
How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.
Just out of idle curiosity, since this off topic thread seems likely to
continue, where and when did you lead men into combat? From what I have
seen of your postings your most common reference to leadership seems to
have been "I did as I was told."
Compared to BUFDRVR who, IIRC, has indeed "led men into combat" as an AC.
Art continues to baffle and dismay.
Brooks
Dave
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Since you did nothing you are out of the loop.
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
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