AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Geoff Peck          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aviators (General Discussions) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message tony roberts Guest Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:11 am    Post subject: Geoff Peck I haven't seen much discussion around here about this, but Geoff Peck was killed in a plane crash on his way home from Oshkosh this year. We all owe him our thanks - Geoff was the founder of the rec. aviation groups. Condolences to his family and friends Tony -- Indiacharlieecho (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Tony Roberts PP-ASEL VFR OTT Night Cessna 172H C-GICE Back to top Andrew Sarangan Guest Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Geoff Peck Very sad news. Thanks for sharing the information. tony roberts wrote: Quote: I haven't seen much discussion around here about this, but Geoff Peck was killed in a plane crash on his way home from Oshkosh this year. We all owe him our thanks - Geoff was the founder of the rec. aviation groups. Condolences to his family and friends Tony -- Indiacharlieecho (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Tony Roberts PP-ASEL VFR OTT Night Cessna 172H C-GICE Back to top Wade Hasbrouck Guest Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Geoff Peck, sadly not the only one And if "Arlington" refers to the fly-in at Arlington, Wa (AWO), that is an airport that is normally untowered (I know some are trying to get away from the term "uncontrolled"), but they have a "tower" for the fly-in, and that tower won't refer to planes by "numbers" but as "Green and White Cessna on Downwind", and heard that people get scolded for using their tailnumber on the radio while trying to land there... Which may make sense, as they don't have any radar at that airport, thus they wouldn't be receiving any information from any transponders, and are just controlling aircraft by looking to see who is in the pattern and who is nearby wanting to land... -Wade Hasbrouck PP-ASEL http://wadehas.spaces.live.com "tony roberts" <nospam (AT) nowhere (DOT) ca> wrote in message news:nospam-537890.21515706092006@shawnews... Quote: From what I see, hear and am told, the EAA do not advertise this data. Between Oshkosh, Sun & Fun and Arlington, there are several accidents each year. When you consider the number of aircraft flying to and from these events, the numbers are not really out of line with national stats. But - consider that many of those aircraft arriving are not even used to flying in controlled airspace - and now they are controlled and landing staggered, short and long with tremendous pressure to get it right and clear the runway, plus given the fixed dates of the event, some are perhaps flying when under different circumstances they would have awaited better conditions - I really don't think that their accident stats are out of line. Still sad though - we all want to see a safe event. Tony -- Indiacharlieecho (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Tony Roberts PP-ASEL VFR OTT Night Cessna 172H C-GICE In article <oi6Mg.11308$q63.3268 (AT) newssvr13 (DOT) news.prodigy.com>, "Dice" <_spamno (AT) email (DOT) com> wrote: Has anyone done research into the annual number of accidents and fatalities afflicting pilots flying to or from Oshkosh? During the past few years that I've been lurking around here, it seems there's one or more every year. The next question is why? "tony roberts" <nospam (AT) nowhere (DOT) ca> wrote in message news:nospam-193E7A.21113706092006@shawnews... I haven't seen much discussion around here about this, but Geoff Peck was killed in a plane crash on his way home from Oshkosh this year. We all owe him our thanks - Geoff was the founder of the rec. aviation groups. Condolences to his family and friends Tony -- Indiacharlieecho (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Tony Roberts PP-ASEL VFR OTT Night Cessna 172H C-GICE Back to top tony roberts Guest Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Geoff Peck, sadly not the only one From what I see, hear and am told, the EAA do not advertise this data. Between Oshkosh, Sun & Fun and Arlington, there are several accidents each year. When you consider the number of aircraft flying to and from these events, the numbers are not really out of line with national stats. But - consider that many of those aircraft arriving are not even used to flying in controlled airspace - and now they are controlled and landing staggered, short and long with tremendous pressure to get it right and clear the runway, plus given the fixed dates of the event, some are perhaps flying when under different circumstances they would have awaited better conditions - I really don't think that their accident stats are out of line. Still sad though - we all want to see a safe event. Tony -- Indiacharlieecho (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Tony Roberts PP-ASEL VFR OTT Night Cessna 172H C-GICE In article <oi6Mg.11308$q63.3268 (AT) newssvr13 (DOT) news.prodigy.com>, "Dice" <_spamno (AT) email (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Has anyone done research into the annual number of accidents and fatalities afflicting pilots flying to or from Oshkosh? During the past few years that I've been lurking around here, it seems there's one or more every year. The next question is why? "tony roberts" <nospam (AT) nowhere (DOT) ca> wrote in message news:nospam-193E7A.21113706092006@shawnews... I haven't seen much discussion around here about this, but Geoff Peck was killed in a plane crash on his way home from Oshkosh this year. We all owe him our thanks - Geoff was the founder of the rec. aviation groups. Condolences to his family and friends Tony -- Indiacharlieecho (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Tony Roberts PP-ASEL VFR OTT Night Cessna 172H C-GICE Back to top Dice Guest Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Geoff Peck, sadly not the only one Has anyone done research into the annual number of accidents and fatalities afflicting pilots flying to or from Oshkosh? During the past few years that I've been lurking around here, it seems there's one or more every year. The next question is why? "tony roberts" <nospam (AT) nowhere (DOT) ca> wrote in message news:nospam-193E7A.21113706092006@shawnews... Quote: I haven't seen much discussion around here about this, but Geoff Peck was killed in a plane crash on his way home from Oshkosh this year. We all owe him our thanks - Geoff was the founder of the rec. aviation groups. Condolences to his family and friends Tony -- Indiacharlieecho (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Tony Roberts PP-ASEL VFR OTT Night Cessna 172H C-GICE Back to top Bob Fry Guest Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Geoff Peck Quote: "RN" == Ron Natalie <ron (AT) spamcop (DOT) net> writes: RN> Geoff's packing lists (he didn't RN> pack light either in the plane This may have led to his demise. Back to top Jeff Guest Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Geoff Peck, sadly not the only one Quote: But - consider that many of those aircraft arriving are not even used to flying in controlled airspace - and now they are controlled and landing staggered, short and long with tremendous pressure to get it right and clear the runway, plus given the fixed dates of the event, some are perhaps flying when under different circumstances they would have awaited better conditions - I really don't think that their accident stats are out of line. Granted the system might need work, but I don't think the arrival procedures are the cause of many accidents at all. There was a stall/spin on the grounds of Airventure this year (a Europa), but you very seldom hear of accidents happening in the "controlled" airspace. Most accidents are in Kentucky or Iowa or some such while in route. You will usually hear of someone putting it in the lake due to running out of fuel, but again, not really an arrival procedure problem (well, not for the rest of us ). 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