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John Doe
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 Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:03 am Post subject: Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade |
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Hello all,
I was thinking about flying the family up to NYC to see the Thanksgiving Day
Parade.
Anyone recommend an airport to fly in to?
I would rather not rent a car, just get into town somehow and then the walk
or cab it while in the city.
Flight would be flown IFR from Norfolk (ORF) to wherever near NYC. Any
preferred routes/arrivals would be appreciated as well.
Thanks.
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David Megginson
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade |
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John Doe wrote:
| Quote: | I was thinking about flying the family up to NYC to see the Thanksgiving Day
Parade.
Anyone recommend an airport to fly in to?
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IFR or VFR?
If you're coming in VFR, it's nice to pick an airport on the same side
of the class B as you are, all other things being equal. I come from
the north, so it's trivially easy to get into Teterboro (KTEB) or
Caldwell (KCDW) VFR. IFR, you can get some funky routings no matter
what you do. You'll be coming from the south, so I don't know what
would work best. Linden? (I've never tried it).
I've found that Republic (KFRG), Caldwell, and Teterboro all have
similar costs for tie-down and fuel. From Republic, you get a lift in
the FBO van to the LIRR station and take the train into Penn Station;
from Teterboro, you take an expensive taxi/limo ride or a cheap bus to
the Port Authority. From Caldwell, an expensive car/taxi is
pretty-much your only realistic choice.
Personally, I plan to stick with Teterboro from now on, because I fly
in from Canada, and Teterboro has customs onsite at Atlantic Aviation
(so I don't have to make an extra stop in Massena). It's on the wrong
side of the class B for you, though.
Best of luck,
David
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Andrew Gideon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade |
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David Megginson wrote:
| Quote: | Linden? (I've never tried it).
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Linden is an interesting little airport, almost like a country airport but
shoved under an 800' shelf of a class B.
That has consequences. First, if you're not comfortable flying near a class
B, you won't like it. And I do mean *near*. If you're 1" too high in the
pattern, you're in class B.
You can get into Linden w/o talking to ATC, but I'm the chatty type. One
trick people use is to follow the GPS approach. Follow it (laterally and
vertically) and you'll stay out of the class B.
Another consequence it that it's not a busy airport with multiple 24x7 FBOs.
If you're there during business hours, you can get a cab easily enough. I
don't happen to know if there's even a payphone or a board listing taxi
companies if you're there off-hours, though.
You can get a taxi to the local NJTransit stop.
TEB is probably easiest in terms of no-rental-car transit into the city. At
CDW, transit options are pretty poor. The Mac Dan FBO, though, rents cars
on the field (for which I'd recommend calling ahead).
- Andrew
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R.L.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade |
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Besides the others mentioned, you have MMU (Morristown, NJ). They have a
Signature FBO.
It's about five minutes away from Convent station that's a straight shot
into Penn Station, which is on 34th Street, west side, which is where you
want to be. Their vans will take to the station (don't know about the
return trip from the station) Taking the train to/from Penn Station is
preferable to a bus to/from Port Authority. MMU is far less busy than TEB (a
consideration if you're flying in Wednesday) . There are hotels nearby too.
http://www.bba-aviation.com/flightsupport/locations/mmu/
Also, there's HPN (White Plains, NY), a bit further away.
"John Doe" <divx (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote
| Quote: | Hello all,
I was thinking about flying the family up to NYC to see the Thanksgiving
Day
Parade.
Anyone recommend an airport to fly in to?
I would rather not rent a car, just get into town somehow and then the
walk
or cab it while in the city.
Flight would be flown IFR from Norfolk (ORF) to wherever near NYC. Any
preferred routes/arrivals would be appreciated as well.
Thanks.
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John Doe
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade |
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"David Megginson" <david_megginson (AT) yahoo (DOT) ca> wrote
| Quote: | John Doe wrote:
I was thinking about flying the family up to NYC to see the Thanksgiving
Day
Parade.
Anyone recommend an airport to fly in to?
IFR or VFR?
If you're coming in VFR, it's nice to pick an airport on the same side
of the class B as you are, all other things being equal. I come from
the north, so it's trivially easy to get into Teterboro (KTEB) or
Caldwell (KCDW) VFR. IFR, you can get some funky routings no matter
what you do. You'll be coming from the south, so I don't know what
would work best. Linden? (I've never tried it).
I've found that Republic (KFRG), Caldwell, and Teterboro all have
similar costs for tie-down and fuel. From Republic, you get a lift in
the FBO van to the LIRR station and take the train into Penn Station;
from Teterboro, you take an expensive taxi/limo ride or a cheap bus to
the Port Authority. From Caldwell, an expensive car/taxi is
pretty-much your only realistic choice.
Personally, I plan to stick with Teterboro from now on, because I fly
in from Canada, and Teterboro has customs onsite at Atlantic Aviation
(so I don't have to make an extra stop in Massena). It's on the wrong
side of the class B for you, though.
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Republic sounds tempting vs TEB. How long is the train ride to Penn
Station?
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David Megginson
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:25 am Post subject: Re: Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade |
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John Doe wrote:
| Quote: | Republic sounds tempting vs TEB. How long is the train ride to Penn
Station?
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It's about an hour. Trains run roughly every hour, but I understand
that during evening rush hour, it's a longer wait to get into the city.
So figure more than two hours from landing to midtown. It's a nice,
quiet little town, though, with a mall right beside the airport (I
didn't go inside).
Someone else wrote about liking to talk to ATC. I like to talk to ATC
as well -- I fly out of what would be a class B airport in the U.S. --
but when you call NY approach from the north flying into KCDW or KTEB,
they'll just tell you to descend and remain clear of class B anyway.
All the best,
David
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Longworth
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:22 am Post subject: Re: Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade |
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Weather forecast calls for rain and snow on Thursday in the Northeast.
We had planned to fly from KPOU (north of NY city) to Hartford, CT but
most likely will just drive there.
Hai Longworth
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John Doe
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:36 am Post subject: Re: Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade |
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"David Megginson" <david_megginson (AT) yahoo (DOT) ca> wrote
| Quote: | John Doe wrote:
Republic sounds tempting vs TEB. How long is the train ride to Penn
Station?
It's about an hour. Trains run roughly every hour, but I understand
that during evening rush hour, it's a longer wait to get into the city.
So figure more than two hours from landing to midtown. It's a nice,
quiet little town, though, with a mall right beside the airport (I
didn't go inside).
Someone else wrote about liking to talk to ATC. I like to talk to ATC
as well -- I fly out of what would be a class B airport in the U.S. --
but when you call NY approach from the north flying into KCDW or KTEB,
they'll just tell you to descend and remain clear of class B anyway.
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Am I reading the chart right, As far as the class B airspace goes, if I come
right up the coast and stay below 1500' can I thread the airspace between
jfk and newark and fly right over 'ground zero' on my way to TEB?
Is the NYC ADIZ no longer in effect?
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John Doe
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:44 am Post subject: Re: Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade |
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"David Megginson" <david_megginson (AT) yahoo (DOT) ca> wrote
| Quote: | John Doe wrote:
Republic sounds tempting vs TEB. How long is the train ride to Penn
Station?
It's about an hour. Trains run roughly every hour, but I understand
that during evening rush hour, it's a longer wait to get into the city.
So figure more than two hours from landing to midtown. It's a nice,
quiet little town, though, with a mall right beside the airport (I
didn't go inside).
Someone else wrote about liking to talk to ATC. I like to talk to ATC
as well -- I fly out of what would be a class B airport in the U.S. --
but when you call NY approach from the north flying into KCDW or KTEB,
they'll just tell you to descend and remain clear of class B anyway.
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If I'm trying to get to TEB from the south, my direct flight takes me right
over the top of Newark (yea right). How painful is it going to be to get
around Newark and into TEB from the south?
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John Doe
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:57 am Post subject: Re: Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade |
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"Longworth" <belladobie (AT) email (DOT) com> wrote
| Quote: | Weather forecast calls for rain and snow on Thursday in the Northeast.
We had planned to fly from KPOU (north of NY city) to Hartford, CT but
most likely will just drive there.
Hai Longworth
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Awesome, that'll be fun.
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Peter R.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:16 am Post subject: Re: Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade |
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John Doe <divx (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | Is the NYC ADIZ no longer in effect?
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Nope, fortunately it went away within months of the 9/11 terrorism act.
--
Peter
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George Patterson
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: Re: Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade |
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John Doe wrote:
| Quote: | Am I reading the chart right, As far as the class B airspace goes, if I come
right up the coast and stay below 1500' can I thread the airspace between
jfk and newark and fly right over 'ground zero' on my way to TEB?
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Not exactly. The class-B floor dips to 1100' over NY harbor, so you need to
watch out for that. As for the rest, you have to maintain clearance from
buildings and such, so you can't safely fly "right over" anything except the
harbor, the rivers and the bridges unless you get clearance into the B.
George Patterson
If a tank is out of ammunition, what you have is a sixty ton portable
radio.
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George Patterson
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:44 am Post subject: Re: Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade |
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John Doe wrote:
| Quote: | If I'm trying to get to TEB from the south, my direct flight takes me right
over the top of Newark (yea right). How painful is it going to be to get
around Newark and into TEB from the south?
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IMO, the easiest thing for you to do is to call up Newark and go through the
class-B. If the winds allow, they'll probably bring you right up the river and
then swing you around to land from the north.
George Patterson
If a tank is out of ammunition, what you have is a sixty ton portable
radio.
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Andrew Gideon
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade |
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David Megginson wrote:
| Quote: | when you call NY approach from the north flying into KCDW or KTEB,
they'll just tell you to descend and remain clear of class B anyway.
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That is not my experience. I fly into that area all the time (I primarily
fly out of CDW), and I cannot recall the last time that occurred. It *has*
occurred; don't get me wrong. But it's been a long time since.
- Andrew
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Andrew Gideon
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade |
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George Patterson wrote:
| Quote: | The class-B floor dips to 1100' over NY harbor, so you need to
watch out for that.
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Be sure you're flying with a terminal chart or - even better - a helicopter
chart. Otherwise, it is too easy to miss one of those little chunks where
the airspace drops.
However, what is being described is a common route for tourists and
helicopters: the "Hudson VFR Cooridor" or "Exclusion Zone". I've taken it
north to TEB's airspace, and then made a left turn (contacting TEB tower,
of course) for a transition en route to CDW. No problem.
- Andrew
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