AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Flying IFR with Garmins Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Instrument Flight Rules View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Robert M. Gary Guest Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:18 am    Post subject: Flying IFR with Garmins I just recently decided to buy our first Garmin GPS (296). I had not in the past because they were so far behind on providing terrain. They fixed that with the 296. However, the one outstanding item missing on the 296 are airways. On my Skymap IIIc I can easily fly an airway by putting the white course line on the pink airway line. Airways are pretty common in the West where airways provide routes around restricted airspace and around busy areas (like LAX) so ATC often gives you airways rather than a million vectors (our airways are not straight, they turn like roads). So how do you Garmin guys easily fly along an airway graphically? -Robert Back to top Dash8Driver Guest Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:32 am    Post subject: Re: Flying IFR with Garmins Enter VORs as waypoints in a flight plan? "Robert M. Gary" <rmg1 (AT) my-deja (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I just recently decided to buy our first Garmin GPS (296). I had not in the past because they were so far behind on providing terrain. They fixed that with the 296. However, the one outstanding item missing on the 296 are airways. On my Skymap IIIc I can easily fly an airway by putting the white course line on the pink airway line. Airways are pretty common in the West where airways provide routes around restricted airspace and around busy areas (like LAX) so ATC often gives you airways rather than a million vectors (our airways are not straight, they turn like roads). So how do you Garmin guys easily fly along an airway graphically? -Robert Back to top Ron Rosenfeld Guest Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:46 am    Post subject: Re: Flying IFR with Garmins On 15 Jun 2004 21:18:09 -0700, [email]rmg1 (AT) my-deja (DOT) com[/email] (Robert M. Gary) wrote: Quote: I just recently decided to buy our first Garmin GPS (296). I had not in the past because they were so far behind on providing terrain. They fixed that with the 296. However, the one outstanding item missing on the 296 are airways. On my Skymap IIIc I can easily fly an airway by putting the white course line on the pink airway line. Airways are pretty common in the West where airways provide routes around restricted airspace and around busy areas (like LAX) so ATC often gives you airways rather than a million vectors (our airways are not straight, they turn like roads). So how do you Garmin guys easily fly along an airway graphically? -Robert My CNX80 has the airways. Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) Back to top Nathan Young Guest Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Flying IFR with Garmins Same thing for the 295. VORs in the flightplan. Quote: Enter VORs as waypoints in a flight plan? "Robert M. Gary" <rmg1 (AT) my-deja (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4252c371.0406152018.72ca320a (AT) posting (DOT) google.com... I just recently decided to buy our first Garmin GPS (296). I had not in the past because they were so far behind on providing terrain. They fixed that with the 296. However, the one outstanding item missing on the 296 are airways. On my Skymap IIIc I can easily fly an airway by putting the white course line on the pink airway line. Airways are pretty common in the West where airways provide routes around restricted airspace and around busy areas (like LAX) so ATC often gives you airways rather than a million vectors (our airways are not straight, they turn like roads). So how do you Garmin guys easily fly along an airway graphically? -Robert Back to top David Lindenauer Guest Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Flying IFR with Garmins On 15 Jun 2004 21:18:09 -0700, [email]rmg1 (AT) my-deja (DOT) com[/email] (Robert M. Gary) wrote: Quote: So how do you Garmin guys easily fly along an airway graphically? You have to put in everything that creates a bend in the airway: VORs, intersections. To make the task less daunting, in practice I put in just the first couple of these, then add the rest in cruise flight when the workload reduces. -Dave Lindenauer, N212MT (with GNS430) Back to top Robert M. Gary Guest Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Flying IFR with Garmins "Dash8Driver" <nospam (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote Quote: Enter VORs as waypoints in a flight plan? Its not the flight plan I'm worried about, its the frequent changes to it by ATC. The reason we use airways out west is because it simplifies all the turns around restricted airspace and busy airspace. If you can't enter an airway, you'd need to put in every point along the airway that defines a turn. -Robert Back to top Frank@nospam.biz Guest Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Flying IFR with Garmins Dash8Driver wrote: Quote: Enter VORs as waypoints in a flight plan? And, turn points between VORs, if any. Back to top Frank@nospam.biz Guest Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Flying IFR with Garmins "Robert M. Gary" wrote: Quote: "Dash8Driver" <nospam (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote Enter VORs as waypoints in a flight plan? Its not the flight plan I'm worried about, its the frequent changes to it by ATC. The reason we use airways out west is because it simplifies all the turns around restricted airspace and busy airspace. If you can't enter an airway, you'd need to put in every point along the airway that defines a turn. -Robert What you're looking for is an airway database. Even the IFR Garmins don't have that. Those are the domain of airliners and biz jets for the most part. Back to top Roy Smith Guest Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Flying IFR with Garmins In article <40D05D05.1A8489EA (AT) nospam (DOT) biz>, [email]Frank (AT) nospam (DOT) biz[/email] wrote: Quote: What you're looking for is an airway database. Even the IFR Garmins don't have that. Those are the domain of airliners and biz jets for the most part. You should check out the CNX-80. The airways are in the database, and you enter clearances just the way the controller reads them to you, including the airways. No need to search a paper chart to find all the intermediate airway fixes. The CNX-80 is an awesome box. Back to top McGregor Guest Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Flying IFR with Garmins Quote: What you're looking for is an airway database. Even the IFR Garmins don't have that. Those are the domain of airliners and biz jets for the most part. Give me a break. My ancient Northstar M3 GPS has airways. My equally ancient Argus 7000 has airways. Garmin just sucks. Back to top Michael 182 Guest Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Flying IFR with Garmins I wonder if this will be fixed at some point. I believe the data card also carries some programming logic - maybe airways can be added at a later date. Michael "McGregor" <davidXmcgregor (AT) Yearthlink (DOT) Znet> wrote Quote: What you're looking for is an airway database. Even the IFR Garmins don't have that. Those are the domain of airliners and biz jets for the most part. Give me a break. My ancient Northstar M3 GPS has airways. My equally ancient Argus 7000 has airways. Garmin just sucks. Back to top Frank@nospam.biz Guest Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Flying IFR with Garmins Roy Smith wrote: Quote: In article <40D05D05.1A8489EA (AT) nospam (DOT) biz>, [email]Frank (AT) nospam (DOT) biz[/email] wrote: What you're looking for is an airway database. Even the IFR Garmins don't have that. Those are the domain of airliners and biz jets for the most part. You should check out the CNX-80. The airways are in the database, and you enter clearances just the way the controller reads them to you, including the airways. No need to search a paper chart to find all the intermediate airway fixes. The CNX-80 is an awesome box. That why I said for the mostpart. ;-) Back to top Frank@nospam.biz Guest Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Flying IFR with Garmins McGregor wrote: Quote: What you're looking for is an airway database. Even the IFR Garmins don't have that. Those are the domain of airliners and biz jets for the most part. Give me a break. My ancient Northstar M3 GPS has airways. My equally ancient Argus 7000 has airways. Garmin just sucks. That's why I said for the most part. But, those old, clunky boxes come up pretty short for the most part. Back to top Frank@nospam.biz Guest Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Flying IFR with Garmins Michael 182 wrote: Quote: I wonder if this will be fixed at some point. I believe the data card also carries some programming logic - maybe airways can be added at a later date. In my view Garmin screwed up with the 400/500 in this respect. They do have complete routes for SIDS and STARs, which often are the same as airways for a couple of hundred miles, or so. Back to top Stan Prevost Guest Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Flying IFR with Garmins <Frank (AT) nospam (DOT) biz> wrote Quote: What you're looking for is an airway database. Even the IFR Garmins don't have that. Those are the domain of airliners and biz jets for the most part. Even my old Northstar M3 has an airway data base. And I frequently use it to fly a flight plan using airways. 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