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Jim Mason
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 Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:28 am Post subject: Flyglobespan's £600m push into America |
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Flyglobespan's £600m push into America
DOUGLAS FRIEDLI, Scotland on Sunday Online 22/01/06
FLYGLOBESPAN, the low-fares airline, plans to raise £600m this year to
finance the first long-haul flight network centred on Scotland after being
forced off three domestic routes by poor sales and tough competition.
Tom Dalrymple, the company's chairman, is pushing for rapid international
expansion after cancelling flights between Glasgow and London Stansted from
the end of February, and between Edinburgh and Stansted from the end of
March. He has cancelled a service planned between Edinburgh and Bournemouth
this year due to poor advance ticket sales.
Despite the setback, he will talk to advisers next month about raising the
cash to buy 10 wide-bodied aircraft to fly from Edinburgh, Glasgow and
Stansted airports to Canada, the US and further afield.
Full article at
http://business.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=299&id=105342006
which is ©2006 Scotsman.com
Extract is posted with kind permission of the Scotsman Group Syndications
Dept.
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bill
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Flyglobespan's £600m push into America |
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Jim Mason wrote:
| Quote: | Flyglobespan's £600m push into America
DOUGLAS FRIEDLI, Scotland on Sunday Online 22/01/06
FLYGLOBESPAN, the low-fares airline, plans to raise £600m this year to
finance the first long-haul flight network centred on Scotland after being
forced off three domestic routes by poor sales and tough competition.
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excellent stuff - this is the only way that long haul will grow from
Scotland. We can forget the other airlines (BA, Virgin, etc.) - it's
great to see a proper Scottish company show this ambition and vision.
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Despite the setback, he will talk to advisers next month about raising the
cash to buy 10 wide-bodied aircraft to fly from Edinburgh, Glasgow and
Stansted airports to Canada, the US and further afield.
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Amongst other destinations, Boston is mentioned, yippee! Hope his
financing works out.
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Bill
http://www.taxiwayalpha.com/phpBB2/ - first for Edinburgh Airport news
Now 100% Guaranteed Joe Curry free - thank goodness for Yappers!
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Flyglobespan's £600m push into America |
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 01:28:38 -0000, Jim Mason
<jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Despite the setback, he will talk to advisers next month about raising the
cash to buy 10 wide-bodied aircraft to fly from Edinburgh.....
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Not before time either. :-)
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: Flyglobespan's £600m push into America |
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The message <yIHAf.169000$D47.7723 (AT) fe3 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk>
from bill <boing (AT) boing (DOT) com> contains these words:
| Quote: | Amongst other destinations, Boston is mentioned, yippee! Hope his
financing works out.
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Yep it will be a boost for EDI long haul
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Doug Maclean
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Flyglobespan's £600m push into America |
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"Joe Curry" <ability (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk> wrote
| Quote: | The message <yIHAf.169000$D47.7723 (AT) fe3 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk
from bill
Amongst other destinations, Boston is mentioned, yippee! Hope his
financing works out.
Yep it will be a boost for EDI long haul
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"Dalrymple says local roots are a positive selling point, but they do have
their downside. The reality is that for two-thirds of the population of
Scotland, it is easier to fly from Glasgow. But we are an Edinburgh company,
and we are committed to flying from here. If we announce a route from
Glasgow but not Edinburgh, the complaints come flooding in."
Now who would be complaining ?
Doug
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Callum Johnstone
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: Flyglobespan's £600m push into America |
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Doug Maclean wrote:
| Quote: | "Dalrymple says local roots are a positive selling point, but they do have
their downside. The reality is that for two-thirds of the population of
Scotland, it is easier to fly from Glasgow. But we are an Edinburgh company,
and we are committed to flying from here. If we announce a route from
Glasgow but not Edinburgh, the complaints come flooding in."
Now who would be complaining ?
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No idea, but surely he's not seriously suggesting the only reason his
airline flies from Edinburgh is because of "complaints"! If there
wasn't a business case for flights from EDI he wouldn't be there. Why
is he running daily flights to Geneva this winter from Edinburgh if he
didn't pereceive there to be a demand there?
The truth is surely that Globespan has recognised the dual
attractiveness of offering flights from both of Central Scotland's
principle airports. Many people find both airports equally accessible,
while others may find it a little awkward to access one or the other -
it depends on their personal circumstances. By offering flights from
both, Globespan are guaranteeing saturation of the Scottish market. In
time they may even extend this by offering flights from Aberdeen - I
certainly hope they will.
If Globespan also spent some time trying to attract more foreign
business by offering more routes along the lines of Rome-Edinburgh,
they would probably find that when this is factored in there is little
to separate GLA and EDI in terms of overall demand - look at the 2005
annual pax figures for both airports, after all :-)
I wish Globespan continued success at both Glasgow and Edinburgh. They
are holding their own against Ryanair and easyJet - hats off to them!
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B
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Flyglobespan's £600m push into America |
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Callum Johnstone wrote:
| Quote: | Doug Maclean wrote:
"Dalrymple says local roots are a positive selling point, but they do have
their downside. The reality is that for two-thirds of the population of
Scotland, it is easier to fly from Glasgow. But we are an Edinburgh company,
and we are committed to flying from here. If we announce a route from
Glasgow but not Edinburgh, the complaints come flooding in."
Now who would be complaining ?
No idea, but surely he's not seriously suggesting the only reason his
airline flies from Edinburgh is because of "complaints"! If there
wasn't a business case for flights from EDI he wouldn't be there. Why
is he running daily flights to Geneva this winter from Edinburgh if he
didn't pereceive there to be a demand there?
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"No idea?" LOL! Aye, right.
| Quote: | The truth is surely that Globespan has recognised the dual
attractiveness of offering flights from both of Central Scotland's
principle airports. Many people find both airports equally accessible,
while others may find it a little awkward to access one or the other -
it depends on their personal circumstances. By offering flights from
both, Globespan are guaranteeing saturation of the Scottish market. In
time they may even extend this by offering flights from Aberdeen - I
certainly hope they will.
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So do I, don't we all?
| Quote: | If Globespan also spent some time trying to attract more foreign
business by offering more routes along the lines of Rome-Edinburgh,
they would probably find that when this is factored in there is little
to separate GLA and EDI in terms of overall demand - look at the 2005
annual pax figures for both airports, after all 
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Yes, in GLA's case of course it's a pity about RYR at PIK, isn't it.
| Quote: | I wish Globespan continued success at both Glasgow and Edinburgh. They
are holding their own against Ryanair and easyJet - hats off to them!
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Hear hear.
B
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Callum Johnstone
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Flyglobespan's £600m push into America |
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B wrote:
| Quote: | Callum Johnstone wrote:
Doug Maclean wrote:
"Dalrymple says local roots are a positive selling point, but they do have
their downside. The reality is that for two-thirds of the population of
Scotland, it is easier to fly from Glasgow. But we are an Edinburgh company,
and we are committed to flying from here. If we announce a route from
Glasgow but not Edinburgh, the complaints come flooding in."
Now who would be complaining ?
No idea, but surely he's not seriously suggesting the only reason his
airline flies from Edinburgh is because of "complaints"! If there
wasn't a business case for flights from EDI he wouldn't be there. Why
is he running daily flights to Geneva this winter from Edinburgh if he
didn't pereceive there to be a demand there?
"No idea?" LOL! Aye, right.
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Well, it is a truly fascinating idea that an airline would provide
flights simply because one person isn't happy, you have to admit ....
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The truth is surely that Globespan has recognised the dual
attractiveness of offering flights from both of Central Scotland's
principle airports. Many people find both airports equally accessible,
while others may find it a little awkward to access one or the other -
it depends on their personal circumstances. By offering flights from
both, Globespan are guaranteeing saturation of the Scottish market. In
time they may even extend this by offering flights from Aberdeen - I
certainly hope they will.
So do I, don't we all?
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Yes, I'm sure we do.
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If Globespan also spent some time trying to attract more foreign
business by offering more routes along the lines of Rome-Edinburgh,
they would probably find that when this is factored in there is little
to separate GLA and EDI in terms of overall demand - look at the 2005
annual pax figures for both airports, after all :-)
Yes, in GLA's case of course it's a pity about RYR at PIK, isn't it.
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A pity for BAA maybe. Not a pity for Scottish aviation/Scottish
tourism/Scottish business etc.
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I wish Globespan continued success at both Glasgow and Edinburgh. They
are holding their own against Ryanair and easyJet - hats off to them!
Hear hear.
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Great minds think alike, eh? :-)
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B
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Flyglobespan's £600m push into America |
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Callum Johnstone wrote:
| Quote: | B wrote:
Callum Johnstone wrote:
Doug Maclean wrote:
"Dalrymple says local roots are a positive selling point, but they do have
their downside. The reality is that for two-thirds of the population of
Scotland, it is easier to fly from Glasgow. But we are an Edinburgh company,
and we are committed to flying from here. If we announce a route from
Glasgow but not Edinburgh, the complaints come flooding in."
Now who would be complaining ?
No idea, but surely he's not seriously suggesting the only reason his
airline flies from Edinburgh is because of "complaints"! If there
wasn't a business case for flights from EDI he wouldn't be there. Why
is he running daily flights to Geneva this winter from Edinburgh if he
didn't pereceive there to be a demand there?
"No idea?" LOL! Aye, right.
Well, it is a truly fascinating idea that an airline would provide
flights simply because one person isn't happy, you have to admit ....
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Last count it was 10 e-mail addy's....(for the meantime....)
| Quote: | The truth is surely that Globespan has recognised the dual
attractiveness of offering flights from both of Central Scotland's
principle airports. Many people find both airports equally accessible,
while others may find it a little awkward to access one or the other -
it depends on their personal circumstances. By offering flights from
both, Globespan are guaranteeing saturation of the Scottish market. In
time they may even extend this by offering flights from Aberdeen - I
certainly hope they will.
So do I, don't we all?
Yes, I'm sure we do.
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Most of us anyway, just think though, If GSM expand into the north east
then EARL will look even less attractive than it is at the mo'....
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If Globespan also spent some time trying to attract more foreign
business by offering more routes along the lines of Rome-Edinburgh,
they would probably find that when this is factored in there is little
to separate GLA and EDI in terms of overall demand - look at the 2005
annual pax figures for both airports, after all :-)
Yes, in GLA's case of course it's a pity about RYR at PIK, isn't it.
A pity for BAA maybe. Not a pity for Scottish aviation/Scottish
tourism/Scottish business etc.
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That's what I meant, PIK and RYR are on the whole good for the Scottish
air travel consumer, but not of course good for BAA or GLA,
| Quote: | I wish Globespan continued success at both Glasgow and Edinburgh. They
are holding their own against Ryanair and easyJet - hats off to them!
Hear hear.
Great minds think alike, eh?
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Of course.
B
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: Re: _Flyglobespan's_£600m_push_into_America |
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The message <1137961653.401792.238030 (AT) g14g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com>
from "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> contains
these words:
| Quote: | No idea, but surely he's not seriously suggesting the only reason his
airline flies from Edinburgh is because of "complaints"! If there
wasn't a business case for flights from EDI he wouldn't be there. Why
is he running daily flights to Geneva this winter from Edinburgh if he
didn't perceive there to be a demand there?
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Indeed, his '2/3rds' finding it easier from elsewhere flies in the face
of the RASCO figures,
it also flies in the face of propensity and disposable income. His
'2/3rds' might have been the case
when he worked for Mackays but it's a nonsense to suggest it's the case now.
| Quote: | look at the 2005
annual pax figures for both airports, after all
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Seems future trends - not those of the 70s - will prove that EDI is
indeed easier/convenient/accessible/popular
in the 2000s and beyond.
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:44 am Post subject: Re: _Flyglobespan's_£600m_push_into_America |
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The message <1137962043.255430.41950 (AT) g44g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com>
from "B" <blimpie (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> aka David Jaffray contains these words:
| Quote: | "No idea?" LOL! Aye, right.
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I trust you will withdraw when GSM's figures on competing routes exceed
those elsewhere?
| Quote: | Yes, in GLA's case of course it's a pity about RYR at PIK, isn't it.
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It's a pity your obsession with PIK clouds your dubious reasoning.
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:48 am Post subject: Re: _Flyglobespan's_£600m_push_into_America |
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The message <1137962644.610421.75450 (AT) z14g2000cwz (DOT) googlegroups.com>
from "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> contains
these words:
| Quote: | A pity for BAA maybe. Not a pity for Scottish aviation/Scottish
tourism/Scottish business etc.
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Talking of 'SCOTTISH' what were these Glasgow MSPs thinking of
when they complained about the RDF?
'SCOTLAND' or Glasgow?
--
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:51 am Post subject: Re: _Flyglobespan's_£600m_push_into_America |
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The message <1137963751.575789.66240 (AT) g43g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com>
from "B" <blimpie (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> aka David Jaffray contains these words:
| Quote: | Well, it is a truly fascinating idea that an airline would provide
flights simply because one person isn't happy, you have to admit ....
;-)
Last count it was 10 e-mail addy's....(for the meantime....)
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You are referring to yourself?
| Quote: | Most of us anyway, just think though, If GSM expand into the north east
then EARL will look even less attractive than it is at the mo'....
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Utter bollocks.. The Aberdeen line will be running through EARL...
| Quote: | That's what I meant, PIK and RYR are on the whole good for the Scottish
air travel consumer, but not of course good for BAA or GLA,
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Game. set and match.. Where is your SCOTTISH stance? It only applies to
Glasgow?
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:55 am Post subject: Re: Flyglobespan's £600m push into America |
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The message <dr0i1g$di3$1 (AT) nwrdmz01 (DOT) dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>
from "Doug Maclean" <drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> contains these words:
| Quote: | "Dalrymple says local roots are a positive selling point, but they do have
their downside. The reality is that for two-thirds of the population of
Scotland, it is easier to fly from Glasgow.
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See my comments in another thread... particularly disposable in come and
propensity to fly.
See also this:
The Regional Airports Review looked at access to each airport expressed
as population against travel times.
The RASCO figures showed:
1-hour access time by road:
To Edinburgh Airport : 2,536m or 50.1% of the Scottish population
To Glasgow Airport : 1,982m or 39.2% of the Scottish population
To Prestwick Airport : 1,401m or 27.7% of the Scottish population
2-hour access by road:
To Edinburgh Airport : 4,01m or 79.2% of the Scottish population
To Glasgow Airport : 3,756m or 74.2% of the Scottish population
To Prestwick Airport : 3,407m or 67.3% of the Scottish population
In fact BAA's Scottish Airport's were on record describing motorway
access to Glasgow Airport as 'poor'.
I hope GSM's Dalrymple is reading this, food for thought?
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Callum Johnstone
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:01 am Post subject: Re: Flyglobespan's £600m push into America |
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B wrote:
| Quote: | Callum Johnstone wrote:
B wrote:
Callum Johnstone wrote:
Doug Maclean wrote:
"Dalrymple says local roots are a positive selling point, but they do have
their downside. The reality is that for two-thirds of the population of
Scotland, it is easier to fly from Glasgow. But we are an Edinburgh company,
and we are committed to flying from here. If we announce a route from
Glasgow but not Edinburgh, the complaints come flooding in."
Now who would be complaining ?
No idea, but surely he's not seriously suggesting the only reason his
airline flies from Edinburgh is because of "complaints"! If there
wasn't a business case for flights from EDI he wouldn't be there. Why
is he running daily flights to Geneva this winter from Edinburgh if he
didn't pereceive there to be a demand there?
"No idea?" LOL! Aye, right.
Well, it is a truly fascinating idea that an airline would provide
flights simply because one person isn't happy, you have to admit ....
;-)
Last count it was 10 e-mail addy's....(for the meantime....)
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Even so ....
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The truth is surely that Globespan has recognised the dual
attractiveness of offering flights from both of Central Scotland's
principle airports. Many people find both airports equally accessible,
while others may find it a little awkward to access one or the other -
it depends on their personal circumstances. By offering flights from
both, Globespan are guaranteeing saturation of the Scottish market. In
time they may even extend this by offering flights from Aberdeen - I
certainly hope they will.
So do I, don't we all?
Yes, I'm sure we do.
Most of us anyway, just think though, If GSM expand into the north east
then EARL will look even less attractive than it is at the mo'....
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I strongly doubt that the success of EARL is dependent on what GSM do
or don't do!
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If Globespan also spent some time trying to attract more foreign
business by offering more routes along the lines of Rome-Edinburgh,
they would probably find that when this is factored in there is little
to separate GLA and EDI in terms of overall demand - look at the 2005
annual pax figures for both airports, after all :-)
Yes, in GLA's case of course it's a pity about RYR at PIK, isn't it.
A pity for BAA maybe. Not a pity for Scottish aviation/Scottish
tourism/Scottish business etc.
That's what I meant, PIK and RYR are on the whole good for the Scottish
air travel consumer, but not of course good for BAA or GLA,
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Well, I'm on the side of the consumer over the big corporation anyday
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I wish Globespan continued success at both Glasgow and Edinburgh. They
are holding their own against Ryanair and easyJet - hats off to them!
Hear hear.
Great minds think alike, eh? :-)
Of course.
B
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